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12,000 pages

That many? Like I said on Kyoko's talk page, I'm occupied enough with 66. Acalamari 23:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh, and it's crept up to 600 in like 10 days :) Riana (talk) 05:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks Riana. I have been attacked by 2 different IP's which is the same user. I will let you know if anything else comes up. Thanks again. King Lopez ^Contribs 01:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

hkelkar?

I would like to invite you to this discussion on the impersonation of Hkelkar at ANI.Bakaman 03:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Was just reading that one... thanks! Riana (talk) 03:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

I just wanted to say thank you for being pretty close to omnipresent whenever I'm dealing with loads of chronic vandals all at the same time and need someone to throw blocks on them. The help is incredibly appreciated. Trusilver 05:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh, no problem! Thanks for all your hard work! Riana (talk) 05:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Help at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Hel Hufflepuff (2nd)

Resolved

Since you indef-blocked Oli Wood, and deleted his "contributions", I'de like it if you could, at a check-user request related to this user, answer the following question: Did this user use a link to WP:IAR as a part of the edit summeries? This seems to be a major part of the method of operation of Hel Hufflepuff's sock-puppets. A list of pages by this user can be found at WP:AN#Edit summary from edits of Oli Wood. Od Mishehu 09:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, hence my block summary. Riana (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Od Mishehu 09:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Recent edit to your userpage

Hi. Terribly sorry but I recently removed a link to the archived version of your userpage since I clicked on it and WP turned up a no page found thingy. I did wonder how all the other editors who keep watching your page let that slip, but since the link simply wasn't working (I tried again and again) I removed it. Sorry! aJCfreak yAk 10:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Doubt Riana would mind... the revision was deleted for a while, causing a link failure, but she restored it a few minutes ago... --Dark Falls ^talk 10:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Um. Okays, you didn't mind and I saw the restored page... But I've a question now. You're not a God(dess) or something around these parts are you?! I mean, how do you manage to reply so fast? Do you simply check messages and reply the way we mortals do or do you use any advanced tools?! Or, are you a god? aJCfreak yAk 10:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

For the record, I'm male... Flattered though I am, the only person 'round here that has divine blood is Jimbo and Riana (Shocking suck-up aren't I!) ... I just have the page watchlisted. --Dark Falls ^talk 10:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Now I feel like a dumb ass... Sorry Riana, he was addressing you..--Dark Falls ^talk 10:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

You can join the divine club, DarkFalls :) Riana (talk) 10:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

But we're not worthy :-) - Alison ☺ 10:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

As Alison says. After that humiliating mess up, I'll be rejected from the local toilet club... --Dark Falls ^talk 10:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

(Addressing Dark Falls) C'mon! Not really. You don't have to feel degraded. Serious. And glad you think Riana's a God, too! aJCfreak yAk 10:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

lol! I'm just doing my job, mates ;) *salutes in a heroic manner, steely glint in her eye* Riana (talk) 10:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Now time for some advertising... --Dark Falls ^talk 10:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I would advertise too, y'know... But nobody comes across my Userpage. So I guess it's fine. Discussing it on Riana's own Talk page is advertisement enough, considering the number of editors who watch her pages. aJCfreak yAk 10:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh no! /me blocks Dark Falls and ajc for violating WP:CANVASS... and then herself :) Riana (talk) 10:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe?

Maybe you are a God? Just maybe. I'm thinking of starting a sub-userpage and taking a vote on it. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other editors out there who think so too.... :) aJCfreak yAk 10:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

lol! OK, it's up User:Riana/Am I God? ;) Riana (talk) 10:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I reverted that troll and protected your talk page. Man, how many different ip ranges will he use!! Sry, God(dess) :P --soum ^talk 10:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh... no worries... Alison just blocked another. Riana (talk) 10:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

We get used to it after a while. Water off a duck's back - Alison ☺ 10:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

In case someone wants to have a go at him, here's the known ranges: 72.128.0.0 - 72.135.255.255 (72.128.0.0/13), 24.160.0.0 - 24.170.127.255 (24.160.0.0/13, 24.168.0.0/15, 24.170.0.0/17), and 65.28.0.0 - 65.31.255.255 (65.28.0.0/14). Thats pretty much half the internet. --soum ^talk 11:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh hey, I"ve been wanting to rangeblock AoL ever since ... oh, they started mailing me those silver coasters twice a week. Block. Block, I say! - Alison ☺ 11:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... blocking half the Internet... yeah, why not, we don't really need users, do we? ;) Riana (talk) 11:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Deletion without consensus/Contestion of deleted page

Re: [[1]] - Consensus was not demonstrated. Also this article was re-written within the Afd timeframe and should have been re-listed for consensus to be reached. Thank you. 83.88.224.53 11:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I stand by my deletion. You may file a deletion review. Riana (talk) 11:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I did not realise, I have done so now. 83.88.224.53 11:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

User:Super pooh

Hi Riana, I'm sure this is a violation of the username policy, I reported it to WP:UFA, just dropping by to see what you think, if I was wrong I accept that but just wondering what you think.

Regards
The Sunshine Man 11:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... not sure really... might want to drop them a {{username concern}}. Cheers, Riana (talk) 11:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

 Done, I'll see what happens, if its not responded to in a few hours I'll report again. The Sunshine Man 12:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Doily image

I'm delighted you found the crochet doily useful -- i can provide a much higher resolution image 3500 x 1699 and have the whole doily at 2508x2566. Could you let me know by comment on the Flickr image?

I've been thinking about submitting more photos (and video clips?) to wikimedia commons, but haven't quite had the time yet. I've not been active on wikipedia, but if it's possible, could you switch the attribution to judielaine there? Thanks! Judielaine 17:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

This message confirms that Riana should now be going to open her inbox and look for an e-mail from R :). --(Review Me) R ^ParlateContribs_@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 19:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Oooh, I await with bated breath :) Riana (talk) 19:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Re my vandalism report

Hi Riana. If you've got the time, I wonder if you could explain to me your edit comment regarding the vandal I reported. Basically I reported a repeating vandal with a history, and no action was taken. To prevent more vandalism from this IP, surely the thing to do would be to ban it..? Cheers. --Mal 22:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Riana. In my humble opinion it doesn't appear to be particularly effective. The IP in question here appears to be a school (vandalism occurs during school days). I didn't look through the whole history, but it seemed that there has not been a useful edit in more than a year. On the other hand, there have been a couple of hundred acts of vandalism from it.

At what point do we decide that its not a case of punishment, but a case of prevention - ironically of course, this is basically what you said in your edit comment.

Should we wait until five years' worth of solid vandalism has occured? Ten years? Meanwhile editors waste their time fixing the damage done and leaving impotent 'warning' messages, instead of improving articles.

There is, I believe, a procedure for shared IPs whereby blocked IPs can appeal. It seems simple enough: if the school (in this case) promises to control the pupils, then we let them have another chance. This seems perfectly rational to me, and not merely a "Let's punish the bastards!" reaction, which is perhaps the attitude you thought I had taken? --Mal 10:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey there

Hi!

How've you been? Hope real lifes treating you better now... :)

Just a note, my admin coaching page has sent word its been missing you. Its looking forward to meeting you again sometime. Whenever you're not too busy, if you could indulge it for a while, I'm sure it'd be grateful :)

Take care,xC | ☎ 05:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoa! Landslide!

Thanks for the questions :) I'll get to em right away, cheers!xC | ☎ 08:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Shashwat Pandey - Sahaj Marg

Dear Riana,

Thank you for your help on the Sahaj Marg and Shri Ram Chandra Mission pages.

I notice you unblocked Shashwat Pandey and would please ask you to keep an eye on this site today. If you look at Shashwat's talk page, you'll see repeated flagrant violations over a long period of time of reversions and refusals to collaborate with persons.

He's already in mediation with another user.

I honestly don't know how to get agreement with him. I'll write something that's straight middle-of-the-road using the terms he wants (he always wants to put "claims" into sentences because he has a hostile POV toward Sahaj Marg) so I redid this sentence to simply state what Sahaj Marg was, and incorporated his term "claims" into it (even though I don't agree, SM does offer training, not "claims to"):

Sahaj Marg (Simple Path) is a meditation system offered by Shri Ram Chandra Mission, which claims to offer training training in spirituality.

His response was to deny that Sahaj Marg is a meditation system! And also, that we shouldn't use the word "claims" (this after he changed it multiple times to use the word claims). Sfacets joined in and said that was ridiculous and tried to revert his changes but Shashwat just ignored him and put it back. Another editor wrote on the SRCM discussion board (Don) that he agreed with my edits, and Shashwat reverted that too.

So, I don't know if it's possible to reasonably work with him, because whatever is edited, he argues against, and he seems to think he's the only editor.

Any advice is appreciated.

Renee --Renee 07:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

IP vandalism

I'll remember to revert your vandalism manually next time, and perhaps add a human remark or two to avoid anyone thinking I'm some kind of bot at work... :) -- Longhair\^talk 08:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Shashwat Pandey - Six changes in 1 hour; NO discussion

Dear Riana,

Since you have unblocked Shashwat, he has gone back in and made SIX unilateral edits in just one hour, WITHOUT any discussion on the talk page.

I request that he be blocked for a week or so, so that those who want to discuss the matter can review the changes and talk about them.

He seems to see the Sahaj Marg page as his page, and that only he has the right to edit. Also, he has a clear negative point-of-view and keeps trying to promote the group as a cult, when in my POV it is just a meditation group.

Help is appreciated.

Renee --Renee 08:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Riana for your response to my question. Renee --Renee 08:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Riana

He is at it again Riana [2] This time he is using a different IP 65.30.177.4 (talk · contribs) to get around his block. Please see my talk page to see what he has done. Thank you. King Lopez ^Contribs 08:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Riana. But I hope he stops doing this. It is really bothering me. King Lopez ^Contribs 08:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok my dear. King Lopez ^Contribs 10:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:O

Okay... First of all, you're freakin me out. How the heck are you so fast??? Mind-blowing.
About the code, I take it that one has to switch to Firefox? aJCfreak yAk 09:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok... Honestly. Quit doing that. I'm literally getting the creeps. :) Anyways, just noticed that you changed that funky character which you used in your sign to link to your talk page. Why the change? I loved it! aJCfreak yAk 09:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your input

Hi Riana,

Thanks for your input on Sahaj Marg article, i will be highly greatful incase you can share your thoughts regatrding your latest message on my talk page. Why do you feel that i should not edit ? given the fact that other editor's are free to edit, i doubt that person who requested you to intervine is new to wikipedia (this is just a doubt, not sure) as i have experienced something similar before as well, when a perticular user protrays herself (may be himslef) as new to wiki, and made lot of edits.

Which of my edits you have found not adhereing to wiki policy, i will be happy to correct them, kindly note, the page is already under mediation and large edit such as what was make is not acceptable at this point of time. I would suggest to get the original content of the page back, allow the mediation process to complete and then whatever is still not agreed can be discussed.

Giving warning's without specifying the exact content which has violated any wiki policy should be avoided.

Kindly let me know the reason for your latest message.

Tnx.--Shashwat pandey 09:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Gilo

Hi Riana, With due respect, I don't think it is fair to protect the version established by one ["cabal"-crying] IP's 10RR against that endorsed by four other users. I'm aware of the "wrong version" issues, but this case really is one where the established users are being punished for following policy, and some random IP's disruption is rewarded. Please reconsider, Tewfik^Talk 09:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

You know you can't ask me to do that! :) I'm sorry, I protected in the version I found it in. I'm not going to revert now. Riana (talk) 10:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

RE: Gilo

Have you any idea the kind of POV pushing going on at Gilo? It is truly shocking. It is a Jewish settlement in East Jerusalem taken by the Israelis by force and then settled against international law. Almost every independent media organization in the world calls it a settlement ... I cited the UN and the BBC ... another user a month ago cited similar sources. Only the Israeli government call it a neighbourhood (a laughable term ... it's a sealed off hill-top settlement/colony surrounded by hostile Palestinians), and their supporters follow suit. On wikipedia five Israeli/Jewish users are reverting everyone who makes mention of this in the lead, and deleting their sources to boot, hoping they'll go away. That is the very definition of a cabal.

BTW, the controversy of Gilo is dealt with in a documentary online. About two and a half minutes through, this documentary it discusses Gilo in particular: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBxdHJLAxo&mode=related&search= I ask that you take five minutes to watch it. I'm not a random anon. I'm the consensus of the most people, it's just that the demographics of that article's watchlist are messed up. And I'm not some nutter, I'm just trying to get no-POV on that article. Yours- "random anon"

I understand, I really do. And I don't believe that just because you choose to contribute anonymously, your edits are any less valuable. But edit-warring is not going to gain you any sympathy, nor is it going to be helpful in maintaining a peaceful editing atmosphere. I'll keep an eye on the article and see how it develops, and in the meantime please use the talkpage for discussion. Regards, Riana (talk) 10:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

A "random IP" who's very familiar with the terms and workings of Wikipedia...in any case, the IP has massively violated 3RR. Is a temporary block not justified? Changing the "wrong version" might set a bad precedent though. nadav (talk) 10:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The best way to deal with this is by punishing the person who is actually violating WP policies. Arrow740 10:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Video Professor

Thank you for taking care of the change so quickly. Regards, Skporganic Skporganic

Hey

Dont take the comment I made at AN personally. I was only joking. :) --soum ^talk 15:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I know :) Don't worry about it ;) Riana (talk) 15:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know

Hi. I've been looking around for a way to archive my discussions and after slight deliberation, decided to use the manual method of archiving that you use. Just that I'd let you know. Should I add a header on my archive page to let people know that the method is yours?! :D aJCfreak yAk 15:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Now what?

I pressed enter at both. What shall happen? A Link to tha Past

I ask for my page to be protected, it gets protect, and then its gone. Whats happening?! A Link to tha Past

Hi Riana

oops - did I do something wrong? - Alison ☺ 16:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Just that non-mainspace pages go to the bottom of the page... otherwise, no :) (Not sure what this guy wants! Very confused!) Riana (talk) 16:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, just re-read the diff... no, you're not misguided! Lol... I'm just not sure what this dude is asking for. Read his talk and the section above this. Very confused :/ Riana (talk) 16:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, isn't that account supposed to be blocked as an imposter? See User:A Link to the Past? I have indeffed. BTW. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{C} 17:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

testing new message bar

Hi Riana, could you please send me a talk page message? I'm trying something out and I need a message to see if it works the way I hope it does. Any old message will do. Thanks! --Kyoko 17:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It's looking too pale now, with a pale purple "You have new messages" on top of a pink-purple background. The "(diff)" part looks fine, though. I've been trying to use colours from my userpage, but I forget which hex code corresponds to which colour. Try now. --Kyoko 17:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It's much better now, very similar in appearance to the part on my page where it says "My user page / ma page utilisateur / 私 の 利用者ページ". Thanks for the help! --Kyoko 17:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The bar still isn't quite what I would like, because the linked words still show up as blue or purple, depending on whether I've clicked them recently. Do you know how to fix that in the monobook.css? I don't want to change my Firefox global settings just for the sake of Wikipedia. If you know how to fix this, you're welcome to edit my css page. Thanks again, Kyoko 17:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, try now. --Kyoko 17:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It still looks the same. I think I'll swap the colours so that it is dark text on a light background, because that seems to be easier to read, regardless of the blue/purple links. Thanks for your patience. --Kyoko 17:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

That is a good idea, I borrowed it. I also figure out how to change the link colors: User:Until(1 == 2)/monobook.css. Until(1 == 2) 17:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, nice! OK, I'll go put it in Kyoko's css :) Riana (talk) 17:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Oops, it helps to clear the cache before clicking on the new messages bar, doesn't it? Try again, please. :) --Kyoko 17:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Now the "new messages" words appear in the same colour as the "You have", and the "last change" is in a darker purple, which is fine. I might play around with it more in the future, but it's good enough, and most importantly, I can read it. That's more than I could say for one of the earlier versions, where the links were almost the same colour as the background. :\ Thanks again for all your help! --Kyoko 18:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Protect

Thanks for the protect. Darrenhusted 17:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

action please

Dear Riana,

Shashwat Pandey is posting flagrant POV edits on the Sahaj Marg page now, some are completely slanderous and unethical.

Specifically, he just changed one line to read: The goal of the Sahaj Marg practice is to become one with divine, represent by the leader involved in various criminal/acts of violence and forgery activities. (He got this information off of a blog and an anti-SRCM site. Please note that repeat court cases in India have ruled in favor of the current group, though another group repeately files false allegations that are dismissed by courts. Nothing has been ruled in support of these allegations ever.)

Then, he changed the first line. It previously said that "Sahaj Marg is a meditation system." He changed it to read, "Sahaj Marg is a system of obedience to its leader."

And there's more, but you get a taste of what's happening. He has a very anti-Sahaj Marg blog that should serve his POV purposes, but he insists on unilaterally changing things without consultation or feedback. And, I just had secured consensus previously on the meditation issue, the secte issue, and on grammar and flow (the order issue).

Help!!! I don't know what to do but I'd like to follow Wiki procedures.

Renee --Renee 18:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

p.s. I believe that Einstein 22, who also appears on this Sahaj Marg page, is either a sock-puppet or a meat-puppet. (He said he was Shashwat's roommate.) Please see this exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Einstein_22&oldid=136395516

If Shashwat asked him to help to stack the deck, he's be a meat puppet, yes?

Alfred Packer man

Cheers for the block on him ;)
Looks like your wiki is doomed for a month though :p
Tomayres 20:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

WJBscribe got the block ;) And yeah, will have to look after my wiki now! Riana (talk) 20:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:UAA

Hello. I just left a comment on WP:UAA. Yours sincerely, Eddie 21:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

		Thank you for your support and comments at my RfA
		Hi Riana, It still amazes me that otherwise "anonymous" editors take the time to place !votes and comments on RfAs. Whilst I would have normally thanked you at the time of you leaving your message, the importance of my not appearing to be canvassing prevented me from so doing. I also particularly appreciated your early congratulations message. Now that everything has progressed successfully I can finally thank you. I intend to uphold a style of good adminship and will welcome your further comments at any time in the future, even if they are in the form of admonishment. I will be happy to help as an admin wherever and whenever I can --VS talk 22:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Something you may need to educate yourself on:

Sleep (as it looks like you never do :P) Will ^(talk) 00:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Exams, man. Totally wired. Either studying, at gym, or here. Need sleep big time, I know! Riana (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Smile

†Sir James Paul† has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
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Keep up your good work here at english wikipedia:) Cheers!--†Sir James Paul† 04:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiLove

Jet123 (Talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
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Jet123 (Talk) 05:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey there

Good luck for your exams!

And I finished all the questions here. I know you're busy, so whenever you're free, please do have a look :)

Take care,xC | ☎ 07:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Admin coaching

As a non-admin user, I'm wondering why you and others are coaching supposedly prospective admins, especially since the one case I've seen involves a user who hasn't got a clue. What good is it to WP if a prospective admin gives the "right" answer rather than the one he or she thinks is correct? If they don't know the policies, they're not admin material, and I think this coaching process is covering up deficiencies. If someone is admin material they will be familiar enough with policy to know what to do, and if they don't know what to do, they should not be an admin. MSJapan 11:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Users like to be admin coached to help them learn the policies and guidlines to a higher standard. We don't just learn them over night, it takes times and often requires the help of a more experienced user to help the user see things from an administration point of view. In many ways, it's a more advanced version of the adopt a user program. I find your insinuation that a user who Riana is coaching "hasn't got a clue" to be truely disrespectful - this is why they go for admin coaching, to improve their skills and knowledge. I am taken a back that you have come here in an attempt to belittle a user that is working in absolute good faith for the project, but may be a litte misguided. I hope you retract at least part of the above statement. Ryan Postlethwaite 11:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope you retract your statement in whole, actually, or I will never admin coach you myself ;) I would like you to be more frank about which user you think 'hasn't got a clue', because then I can try, in my own small way, to help guide them in the right direction. This is a big place, sometimes a hard place to wrap your head around... I myself don't know wikipolicy like the back of my hand. In times like that it's reassuring to have someone who does know what things are about to help out. If you feel that admin coaching in general is a bad thing, do feel free to start a discussion at the village pump - many people feel very strongly in favour of it, and many feel that it's a waste of time, like you seem to. However, I personally think it's great to be told whether you're doing well or badly. Even if not all admin coachees are prospective admin candidates, if it makes you a better user of Wikipedia, how is that a bad thing? Riana (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Exposing identity and personal attack

Hi Riana,

I have observed recently that renee is getting personal with my edits and trying to paint me in black color, given the fact that one can choose any user-name to edit wiki, but when a person is true to himself he does not need to hide behind any object, there is a wiki policy which prohibits exposing personal identities of people on wiki, and i feel renee is getting close to it, on your talk page also, her approach is more of against me then, edits or POV. This has put me in direct threat of personal safety, as you have been involved with her, i would request you to kindly advice her on how to aviode such acts, and avoide getting personal with other user's. This is very important, otherwise it can seriously undermine wiki project itself. --Shashwat pandey 11:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Riana,

I believe that the facts are being misrepresented here. I believe there is a long-term pattern of point-of-view abuse by Shashwat (see his user discussion page, it's not just me). Using information accessed through Wikipedia only (his user page and links to his blog off of the Sahaj Marg article) I have provided this evidence to administrators. I don't know his real name or any other personal information (beyond what he's provided on his user page, that he's Indian and lives in his dream country of the U.S.).

I feel these accusations are really below the belt. When Shashwat wrote me on my site I apologized if I caused him offense, explained that I didn't post anything that wasn't available off of Wikipedia, and immediately asked him to work with me on creating a neutral stub.

There is a huge problem with a strong agenda being promoted on the Sahaj Marg and Shri Ram Chandra Mission sites and I am really trying to focus on creating something neutral and in the spirit of Wiki.

Renee --Renee 15:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Smile!

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Miranda 12:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Really smile!

Ƙɽɨɱρᶓȶ has passed you the WikiJoint! WikiJoints promote... uh... promote... help with... do... wiki... something... yeah... uh, what was I saying? WikiJoints help promote, uh, wiki stuff... and help with... {{subst:User:Krimpet/WikiJoint}}... huh?

Ƙɽɨɱρᶓȶ 13:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Ughh, now I have the WikiMunchies... Riana (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Krimpet, stop copying me. :-) Miranda 03:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

• Best. Barnstar. Evar! - Alison ☺ 07:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for showing me the way

Thanks Riana. Prithwirajt 16:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

No worries, welcome! Riana (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Renee, and personal attack/defamation

Hi Riana,

I have noticed recently that Renee is approaching various admins with request to block me without citing any valid reason, however i have also noticed that she even tried to interfear with mediation process, by asking the mediator to ban me !!

She approached you as well, and you acting on her advice, somehow missed the discussion and banned me for sometime.

I had repeatedly tried to convince her that this page is under mediation and no major changes should be done while this process is underway, but insted of waiting to let the mediation process get over, she/he (?) changed the complete page and disturbed the process.

Moreover, she is even connecting me with a friend of mine who is well versed with wiki policy but is not very much involved.

It seems her one point agenda is to get me banned, this is against wiki policy to supress any POV, also i have serious doubt about her being new to wiki, as i have many times observed similar behaviour in past, by various user names also.Kindly note her approach to various admins, even after spending around 7 months on wiki i do not know how to identify an admin, but she/he contacted many admins and tried to get me banned.

For your reference kindly see these comments by her/him.

1. [3] She contacted you and influenced you to banned me just by reading her POV, my openion here is you should have asked for my stand before taking any such action.

2.[4] here she directly approached the mediator and asked him to block me!!

3. [5] i tried to convince her for not making any major changes in the page as it is under mediation.

4. She is putting false and factually incorrect information in the page to establish a POV such as this [6] case is still pending and claim is it is in favor of one group !!

5. Note this [7] Sahaj Marg is not an organization put for POV push she/he mentioned that it was registered as organization.

6. Kindly note religious claims which she is representing as fact's like in case of connection with God etc, they are just claims and cannot be stated as fact in any neutral article.

7. There are many more cases like this [8] when i was out of town, i asked one of my friend to get involved in this article, which was not at all hidden, he even exposed his name etc to renee even after that just to get me banned she is making such absured claims.

8. Kindly make sure any other admin is not influenced by her false propaganda against me.

9. Does this qualifies as personal attack ? if yes what is the next step. I have even tried to convince her/him about validity of difference of openion on wiki [9] but i feel this will not have any effect on her, as her one point agenda seems to be to get me banned so that false and incorrect information such as pointed above can be placed without any discussion.

10. How can you help in getting her quite till mediation process is not complete ?

Also kindly note [10] when she tried to put a block on me, without signing her name, and then subsequently she tried to protray as if that message was from someone else [11] here she had stated Please note that you are receiving a vandalism warning for your immediate reversions to your original page what would you call such a behaviour ? if this qualifies with personal attack policy of WIKI, what are the steps that i can initiate ?

Thanks in advance--Shashwat pandey 18:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:NPA

I feel renee [12] has seriously violated WP:NPA by trying to connect me with a blog on internet, this in my view is a clear case of attempt to expose a person's identity, and was done with same intention, as there is/was no referene to any blog on my user page ever.

Even if i am not the owner of that blog, people may take this as truth and my personal safety is direct under threat!! This act, of connecting me with a blog, which is so much against one group, may put me in serious threat for personal safety. I feel renee is suitable to be banned for a longer duration of time, according to stated policy at WP:NPA

Threats or actions which expose other Wikipedia editors to political, religious or other persecution by government, their employer or any others. Violations of this sort may result in a block for an extended period of time, which may be applied immediately by any administrator upon discovery

Expect your kind co-operation. --Shashwat pandey 19:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Virtual Console Games (Europe)

You protected this a week ago and it still isn't unprotected while it should be. Please unprotect it. -MrDrake, 22:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Never mind, Shadow1 just unprotected it. -MrDrake, 22:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

It was already unprotected, it just had the tag on it :) Riana (talk) 01:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Talk:HHO gas

Hi. Can you please undelete Talk:HHO gas? WP:CSD#G8 does not apply. The latest DRV specified that the articles will be kept, but the content merged into Oxyhydrogen. — Omegatron 01:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Y Done :) Riana (talk) 01:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you remove the CSD notice, too? — Omegatron 01:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

And done. Riana (talk) 01:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

That talk page has been inappropriately deleted again. I'm not going to touch it because I'll be accused of being an "involved admin", but it needs to be undeleted and stay undeleted. Can a notice be put at the top that it shouldn't be speedied from now on? — Omegatron 01:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey Omegatron, I wasn't involved in the AN discussion about this article, or the DRV, but I was reading up on some background today, and nothing indicates to me that the talk should stay undeleted. Since the article is now userfied, may it be better to centralise the discussion in the user talk space also? Tbeatty has told me that the talk should stay deleted, so I'm not sure how to play this one out. I await your advice. Cheers, Riana (talk) 03:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Well that's to be expected.  :-) He was trying to delete the article, and I was trying to get it kept. But since the article was kept, with a specification that the content be merged into the new article, we kind of need to have that content accessible, don't we? Look through the References section on the talk page, for instance. The editors of the merged article can't be expected to research all those references again from scratch when the talk page can just be kept undeleted.

I've asked the closing admin for clarification. See also Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Omegatron#Oxyhydrogen, User_talk:Enochlau#HHO_gas.

Sorry for dragging you into this. — Omegatron 03:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification - I might wait to see what Xoloz says about it. Riana (talk) 03:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm on ur userpage, stealin ur desinz

Well, not on Wikipedia, but on Wikiquote, where I modelled my userpage there after yours - even the colours! Oh, and did you know that your user page has a very Ubuntu feel? Will ^(talk) 01:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

That's pretty cool! Sharon fixed my userpage into the current form. And I wasn't aiming for an Ubuntu feel, but that's fine :) Riana (talk) 01:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

You should be actually quite impressed as Ubuntu's an awesome OS :) Will ^(talk) 09:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the kind message; I am glad the community thinks I've improved from three months ago. Don't worry, if I ever need help, I won't hesitate to ask you or any other experienced administrators for it. I'd rather ask for help than make a mess. :) Acalamari 03:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Bonk

A yup! That's another open proxy to blow up. Want me to show ya how I do it? fairly easy, really ;) SirFozzie 03:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok. What I do is use the Check IP template (no, not the actual checkuser tool that real Checkusers use, but it has some interesting tools in it. Let's take the example of the IP you just gave me.

68.45.51.141 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))

the useful tools are in order (at least dealing with JB)

1) Where the RDNS resolves to. If it's outside the US, then it's a proxy. JB lives here in the states. If you see something like Kuwait City, or Brazil (which two of the open proxies that JB have used resolve to).. well.. that's a pretty good telltale right there 2) The 2nd Step is the RBL list (or Realtime Blackhole List. That brings up a site which will check the IP against a number of lists that track various things.. the more red.. the more likely it is to be a proxy. there's some reds that you can ignore (Dynamic IP's and the like).. but there are some lists (ones used for detecting phish attempts and the like that if I see, is nearly an instantaneous confirmation of it being a proxy. SirFozzie 03:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

• Also, running nmap will usually show them up, if you have such tools. I'm running it right now :) - Alison ☺ 05:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Hmmm, thanks guys! I'll have a look the next time something suspicious shows up. I had a look at that IP and it sort of makes sense... thanks Foz and Allie :) Riana (talk) 06:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Bink

So much for having your user page on my watch list - like a hornets nest sometimes - trust you have suitable detox/washdown room facilities after a day of poorly potty trained floating ips hit the proverbial fan! :| SatuSuro 06:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha! That's the best way of putting it I've heard in a while :) I might semiprotect if it gets much worse, but I'd prefer he stayed around this part of the wiki, and not in article namespace :/ Riana (talk) 06:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Next 69.225.19.233 - appears to be stalking as well SatuSuro 07:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

OK I have told myself I have to read Wikipedia:Do not insult the vandals every time I got to AIV or admins :| SatuSuro 07:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I will write that out 10x and wash my mouth out as well if thats what it takes to see the end of that :( SatuSuro 13:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar From King Lopez

Hi Riana. I don't remember if I gave you a barnstar yet. But as you know I gave one to your alter ego last month. I can't say much about you my dear. You have been a kind and thoughtful person and always helped me with my problems. So therefore I am going to give you this nice barnstar. Take care and let me know if you need anything. Cheers:) King Lopez ^Contribs 08:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Awarded for Riana. For being a kind and thoughtful Wikipedian. King Lopez Contribs 08:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Wikipedia needs those who can still smile as they traipse through the piles of vandalism - and still have the opportunity smell the flowers!!! SatuSuro 08:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, guys, thanks :) 2 in a day! Must tell my mother, she will be proud ;) Thanks, you guys are cool :) Riana (talk) 08:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

69.110.70.68 I am sure your mother wouldnt want to meet - at it again SatuSuro 09:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar? Almost…

I can't really think of the right barnstar to give you right now so I'll just say that it's been a little while since we talked (although I know you are busy) and I'm starting to miss you a little bit even though you're not gone! ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  03:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC) P.S. How's nineteen so far? ;)

Come on! You could have told me even before I took Google Mail seriously, eh?!? :P Anyway, yes I do use Google Chat for talking with my Googling friends even though Yahoo is my primary e-mail service. I'll invite you right away though. :) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  23:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

61.50.138.186

Hey Riana, I'm just curious what that was that you were using. Is that a utility or an admin function? I was reverting this user's vandalism one article at a time, which even with Twinkle is a little time consuming with how many article he hit. But then suddenly you had reverted all the ones I hadn't gotten to yet at once. If that is an admin function, too bad. If that's just a utility I can drop into my monobook page, I WANT! :-) Trusilver 04:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hah! :) It's rollback, which is an admin function - it looks the same as normal Twinkle functions on the contribs/page history, except it's much faster, because it's not actually editing the page, but sending a message to the database to remove the edits of that particular user. Twinkle is pretty fast though, better than popups, which is what I used for RC-patrol :) Riana (talk) 04:54, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Favour

Hi Riana, since I see you're online, would you please block Lciecat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Although the user was "only" warned to level 4, the account was created for and used to vandalize several pages, and the editor indicated he/she was done. It might be better to have this blocked. Let me know if you'd rather I leave it, or take it to AIV. Thanks and cheers, Flyguy649^talk_contribs 06:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh my god. That's incredible. Um, well, Phaedriel has blocked them. Jesus. Riana (talk) 06:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's like she's watching your page or something ;) I couldn't figure out what the image was the guy was adding to all those pages, but it was "the best vandalism ever!" Flyguy649^talk_contribs 06:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

If you don't know what it was, it's best I don't tell you... Riana (talk) 06:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind... goatse. Ahem. Flyguy649^talk_contribs 06:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

The grandmother of all shock images...xC | ☎ 06:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

That was quite, quite terrifying. I do hope that user returns, obviously has a lot of spare time which could be spent productively. Riana (talk) 06:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm impressed (?) with the coding of it all. Flyguy649^talk_contribs 06:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar of Diligence

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Thank you for your seeming omnipresence whenever I am getting buried in vandalism and you still seem to be able to sling out blocks as fast as I can toss the offenders off to you. Trusilver 07:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Aw, gee whiz! Thanks... I appreciate it... been something of a barnstar magnet lately, I should probably sleep more ;) Keep up your good work, too! Riana (talk) 07:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I can understand that. When I'm copyediting it's easy for me to say "That's enough, I've been staring at this article for three hours, I'm done for the night." When I'm fishing for vandals I can sit here for eight hours as if it were nothing. Trusilver 07:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

It's the blood lust, I tell you! ;) Riana (talk) 07:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi Riana. Thank you for your support and kind words in my RfA, which passed with 95 support, 1 oppose, and 1 neutral !votes. It means a lot to me to have your individual support and the collective support of so many others. I truly will strive to carry myself at a level representing the trust bestowed in me as I use the mop to address the never-ending drips of discontent in need of caretaker assistance. Jreferee (Talk) 07:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey there

Thank you so much for looking over the answers!

Just a few minutes ago, admin Daniel also came by and added a few thoughts. Couldn't reply straight off - I've been on since morning and gotta run off to lunch now, but just wanted to say thank you for looking over them :)

Happy editing,xC | ☎ 07:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. Daniel is a good bloke. I haven't had a chance to thoroughly go through all your answers yet, I will in, say, 5-6 hours' time. Hope that's OK :) Riana (talk) 08:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem, see you then :)xC | ☎ 08:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm at you talk page, zshtalking you!

I'm at you talk page, zshtalking you! >:)

Oh yes I am! Mwahaha! ;) Phaedriel - 12:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• And you should be fast asleep! - Alison ☺ 12:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC) (yeah, and me)
  • Look who's talking! You should be on a plane in a matter of hours, missy! ;) Phaedriel - 12:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Oh noes!! BTW, instead of sleeping, I spent some time putting this article together. No admin privs, nothing. Just editing a page from scratch & it was really enjoyable. I'd forgotten how much fun it is :) Thanks to you, BTW, with the O'Carolan reference. BTW - thank you for the chat earlier. I so owe you an email :) - Alison ☺ 13:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Riana can't go to sleep, she said she'd be around to talk to me at midnight her time! Moreschi ^Talk 13:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
        • This "sleep"...is that the thing you do when you run out of coffee? I seem to have dim memories of doing that at one point. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 13:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Hehe :) And Moreschi, I'm surprised that you're so shocked about 12AM... I do most of my talking with you around 4-6AM ;) Riana (talk) 14:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Martin Savage‎

Hi, can you explain what is going on here. The article is currently as it stands it is in a postion that its still in a state that its been tampered with by the banned editor. There is no dispute over the article with the exception of this single banned editor. His IP should be blocked along with the 100's of others that he has used and then the article unlocked. regards--Vintagekits 15:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I know. Unblocked after consultation with the protecting admin, and Rms blocked again. Cheers, Riana (talk) 15:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, is there anyway of blocking that IP range?--Vintagekits 15:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Not on a permanent basis, no. Riana (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:HHO gas

Yeah, it should be deleted and you probably don't want to get wrapped up in it. They keep adding material to the talk page in the hope the main page will be resurrected. Omegatron's actions regarding these articles is currently in an RfC here. It's apparently in user space now so that's okay as long as it's not resurrected but it shouldn't become the focal point for the various contributors from the deleted article. --Tbeatty 17:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Lol

I just came across this - Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Even_Jimmy_Wales_wouldn.27t_pass.

I was laughing when I saw the title, but they've got some valid points there. Anyhow, please do have a look at Daniel's questions and my replies whenever you're free.

Happy editing,xC | ☎ 18:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I know editors can also close AfDs, but I don't want to jump in right now. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Father_Michael_Goetz_Secondary_School is a highschool I put up for AfD. I've read up since and found that there seems to be a general understanding that all highschools are notable. While I disagree, if this is the consensus, then I'll go with it. Could you close that AfD early (based on precedent) or should it be allowed to run its own course? Thanks,xC | ☎ 19:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music June 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 3 - June 2007

"I had a pair of cotton black pants, and I wore them every day for months. And Bill hung them outside the van 'cos they smelled so bad. And they flapped off on the highway. They were the only ones I had." - Michael Stipe Project news Stereolab and Uncle Tupelo reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to Merzbow and Teemu08 respectively. We collaborated on Grant Hart, "Live Forever", Soul Asylum and R.E.M. (band) during the past month. During the month of June, By the Way and OK Computer were promoted to good article status.

New members Riana, Kyjb70 and Scarps joined the alternative music fold during June. Editors User:CloudNine

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Question about Google Talk

Why did you re-add me... twice? I already have you on my friends list :) Will ^(talk) 03:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Huh. Don't know! I think it was because I didn't see your name in my contacts... or something... I don't know, I've been tired lately :p Riana (talk) 03:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I've invited you by the way… —  $PЯINGrαgђ  03:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Sick of Wikipedia

^{NB: standard message for various users.} I feel that I've been persecuted on Wikipedia, and have thus decided to take a long Wikibreak. I do not feel that Wikipedia can ever really succeed when users are picked on for applying policy and admonished from warning vandals. On this point, I agree with User:RickK. There's a full explanation on my userpage, and I'd appreciate any comments anybody has.--Rambutan (talk) 05:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for blocking that vandal. Yet another busy day ahead ... xC | ☎ 07:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) You have some comments on your coaching page. And I have some e-mail from your friend, lol... Riana (talk) 07:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I've have a look at the coaching page right away.

Lol...he left me a dictionary definition of vandalism here. Isn't that sweet? :PxC | ☎ 07:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Not as sweet as the recommendation that you spend more time with your wife/husband! lol... Riana (talk) 07:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol, yup. xC | ☎ 08:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking through my replies and adding your comments.
Related to question 7, where you said []...something about this answer...[], I realize I might have sounded a bit trigger-itchy, but that isn't what I meant. Things related to ArbCom, sockpuppets, even page protection, are all things I've read about and seen other editors in, but these aren't situations I find myself in too often (or at all, actually). I do hope you'll share your concern with me, if there are gaps in my understanding then thats a problem I will do my best to fix, and I'm always eager to learn.
I see you're having a busy day, so looking forward to a big orange bar from you whenever:) Thanks,xC | ☎ 09:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Another thanks

Thanks for catching the latest ST sock so quickly! szyslak 09:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) Riana (talk) 09:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Admin help

I'll tell you if I need help, but I don't think I'm in dire need of help right now. I've already cleaned out a 200-page and a 69-page CSD backlog. I've got around 5 protects, 10 blocks, and over 250 deletions. Cheers! --Evilclown93_(talk) 12:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Nicely done! I think I recall internal error-ing with you a few times today :) Riana (talk) 12:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)