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Hi! I think we should really work fast to start the FAC now. Just prior to the FAC, it would be a good idea to have Rothorpe look at the newly added texts (texts that were added after his last edit in the article), for a nod from copyedit department.

Will ping him. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, I am not sure the author information of Mehboob Khan's image would be acceptable. Let it be there for now.

Will remove if any comments in FAC. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Another important issue I had to discuss is the current 3rd paragraph of the lead (The film was shot in Mehboob Studios, Mumbai, and in the villages of Maharashtra, Gujarat, and Uttar Pradesh. The music by Naushad introduced Western classical music and the Hollywood-style orchestra to Hindi cinema.). It is a very short paragraph; how about merging it with the succeeding paragraph? Thematically not extremely different, these two sentences discuss something on the making of the film, and teh succeedind paragraph starts with budget etc.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:35, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

IMO, themes are different. Let it remain like that for time being. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I think Mark Arsten is busy, as he indicated. For 13 May (or whenever is the centenary in May) main page appearence, the article definitely needs to be FA ( if it passes, of course) by mid April-ish. I think one month at least will be needed for the FAC (probably more). So I think this weekend is best. However you should ping Mark once more, and tell about this imminent FAC. If he is busy, and says he needs 2-3 days to review it, we can wait that much. But if he gives, say, 15 days wait time, that would be too long.

I think, if Rothorpe okays the newly added text, we can go for FAC right away. No problem with your above replies. Another thing, I am informing Dr Blofeld as well for the FAC. You can nominate the FAC, but definitely Dr Blofeld should be a co-nominator. --Dwaipayan (talk) 16:44, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Great news. Mark Arsten will take a look over the weekend. We should definitely wait for that. And after his review, start the FAC. --Dwaipayan (talk) 17:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Please see my talk page here. Dr Blofeld was wondering about 1 Mar h as an auspicious day for starting the FAC. What do you think? Is Mark Arsten finished? Or shall we wait for his finishing? --Dwaipayan (talk) 04:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's a good plan. Would you like to write the nom? I saw today that now in FACs there can be multiple nominators (may be this is not new, but I did not notice that before). So, all three of us can be mentioned as nominators.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Great going (you just archived the PR) :)--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

One highbeam link that cited New Internationalist (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-30029799.html) is appearing as a dead link; you have to fix that as I have forgot my highbeam password. Also, the US statistical abstract url link is dead, since they just reorganized the website. i will find out the exact link and replace.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't think any significant specific point is pending. Generic point (such as, consistent use of serial comma) may not have been answered in the PR page.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Great, the external urls are ok now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:25, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Tortoise

Hi!

What does a tortoise at the entrance of most of the temples symbolize? This question is answered in many chat forums (eg) which aren't reliable. I couldn't find answer to this on Wikipedia. Is it related to Kurma? None of the Cultural_depictions_of_turtles#India or World_turtle#India seem to answer this. In case you know of it, please add it in some appropriate article. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

It is called "Kurma", but I am not sure if the Vishnu avatar or the world turtle. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Now that you know of it you will at least add it somewhere in case you happen to read about it in future. Good Day! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Saptashrungi

You may like to add to this.--Nvvchar. 03:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Google does not have a tnanslation from Marathi to English and I am not good at Marathi. You may like to translate and use text not covered in the artcile ot to cite some paragraphs. Only working knowledge. Hindi version is OK though it appears to be a copy of the original wikipage of the artcile--Nvvchar. 02:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I have completed my inputs. You may like to add. Pl check before you nominate it for 5x. May be on special page for the Shivaratri?

Hook suggestion ...that the steps to the Saptashrungi temple built in 1710 AD are seen with figures of Rama, Hanuman, Radha, Krishna, Dattatreya, and tortoise (pictured) at a few places?--Nvvchar. 14:46, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Nominated here Template:Did you know nominations/Saptashrungi.--Nvvchar. 17:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Will you please look into the review commenets below the above DYK nomination?--Nvvchar. 11:51, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I have done the initial drafting here User:Nvvchar/Krishna's 16,008 queens. Of course, you can change the title if you don't like this.--Nvvchar. 17:48, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

re jagannath

ok thanks Sidsahu (talk) 13:34, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

More on Mother India

After we satisfactorily address all the comments of CorrectKnowledge, we might need to seek the help of Rothorp once more, and provide him the diff since his last edit, for copy edit.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I could not really figure out how to bundle references while using sfn template, and not significantly altering the streamlined look of the footnotes section. Skyfall uses bundling and short footnote style, but not sfn template. Any experience from your side?--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:22, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, we can have a Bharat Mata image. Indeed we can have both images, as the section is quite large now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I wish there was a befitting image related to Oedipus complex. It would have been even more interesting. I sifted through some images,but none seemed very appropriate.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

The bundling looks perfect to me.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:18, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Nikkimaria is usually very busy, she does review on references on so many FACs... it's amazing. Indeed CorrectKnowledge in effect did some spotcheck in theme section! Nargis image--- doubtful.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:09, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

TFA date

Raja Harischandra released on 3 May 1913. So, 3 May is the exact centenary date. We will have to request main page appearance on that day.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations Redtigerxyz for promoting yet another Indian article to FA status. Great work! Correct Knowledge^«৳alk» 06:15, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks all. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 09:09, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

• Congratulations and well deserved award for the hard you (and others) have done in making the article to FA status. T4B (talk) 10:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Yay... congrats! FYI, Kahaani is in peer review once more.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:09, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Congrats for the FA. Richly deserved.--Nvvchar. 04:42, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You!

	Indian Cinema Barnstar
	I greatly appreciate your efforts to help promote Mother India! Thanks! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:05, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:19, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I hear congrats are in order for someone! Well-deserved bud! :) -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 02:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Peer review request

Hello,

If possible, I would like your review on the article Jainism. The link to the peer review is this: Wikipedia:Peer_review/Jainism/archive2.

Kind Regards.

Rahul Jain (talk) 11:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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Jupiter

I think I fixed the issue of primary sources completely, but if you still find anything dubious please let me know.

As the article makes use of the two classic manuals by Wissowa and Dumézil as its main authority, for the sake of brevity and avoiding boring readers with ever occurring repetitions, as per common use in WK (cf. article Gladiator edited by user Haploydavey), such sources are cited in abbreviate form. In some srticles you may find only the name of the author followed by the page number, but I preferred using acronyms ARR (Archaic Roman Religion) and RK (Religion und Kultus).

About the use of pp. or p.: I personally dislike pp. and have been reverting all citations to p. But if this has become a rule for WK editing I will comply.Aldrasto11 (talk) 03:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

As far as the issue of primary sources is concerned, I would like to point out that the citations referencing primary sources are cited through the secondary ones. I do not wish to become a boring robot, these primary sources are all those cited in every scholarly work on the subject which are mentioned in any given paragraph.Aldrasto11 (talk) 10:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Compressed Kahaani

How about this look?--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks better. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Saptashrungi

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You may like to add to this Badoli Temples. Can you suggest any of articles which could be taken to GA? Dr. B may also like to join us for the GA upgrading. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 01:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Nice to see Varaha as a GA article. I added it to may list. Congrats.--Nvvchar. 02:51, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, though I have not done any article on films or film personalities so far. By the way is this a valid reference [1].--Nvvchar. 15:45, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld started the article on 1 April 2013. I have been able to expand it today. But I have not been able to locate an img and also the plot of the film and names of other actors. I am sure you would be able find more text and add. May be the National Film Archive India in Pune could provide you with info and pictures. --Nvvchar. 07:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Main page

Did you submit Mother India for Today's Featured Article appearance?--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

"Mother India became a definitive cultural classic and is regarded one of the best films in Indian and world cinema" This cannot be written probably; it is not regarded as one of the best world cinemas. I see this is there in the lead, too. I dont remember stating this in the text anywhere.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:05, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I, for now, have removed "world cinema" from the MAin page submission. Will read through the pertinent parts of the article once more.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what you mean. #80 in Empire, and being there in 1001 before you die. Hmmm.. interesting this issue never came into my mind all this while. In a sense, when we think of Best of the World Cinema, usually its only Ray films from India that comes into mind (and may be Rittwik Ghatak, Adoor etc). Can we debate on this for a while?--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:13, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Chopra FAC

Hey.... I have listed Priyanka Chopra for featured article. Please, help us in the nomination, I would love to have your comment on the fac. Please, reflect as soon as possible. Here is the link. Thank You.Prashant talk 03:50, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Name change in Guru Nanak

Hi. I saw on the talk page of Guru Nanak, that you changed its name from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Nanak. However "Dev" is not honorific. It is a common middle name. --Vigyani (talk) 05:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

re Smriti....I had thought that was how it was spelt but when I checked in an article I was reading through I'm sure I saw it as smrti hence the change....but I shall have another look! ThanksIztwoz (talk) 18:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

re Smriti - thank you for that.....I couldn't figure it out.Iztwoz (talk) 18:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Mohini Bhasmasur

Nice hook for the article but not sure how true the information is. Though its widely published fact, you may want to see this. - Vivvt (Talk) 20:29, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Vikram Gokhale is talking about Shree Pundalik, which is generally not regarded as indigenous Indian film but video recording of a Marathi play made by British cameraman. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Ya I know about the facts about Shree Pundalik. Just wanted to check with you on that. - Vivvt (Talk) 16:41, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

You may like to continue on this Master Vithal.--Nvvchar. 13:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I have completed this Hunterwali. You may like to add and nominate.--Nvvchar. 09:44, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I have completed my inputs to this User:Redtigerxyz/Tuka. All the references given by you under Bibliography have been incorporated suitably. You may like to add and nominate.--Nvvchar. 13:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I have completed my inputs to Sant Tukaram (1936) on your user page. Shall I request Materiailscientist to transfer it to msinspace?--Nvvchar. 15:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Sant Tukaram (film) is now in Mainspace. You may like to edit and nominate.--Nvvchar. 14:30, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Please go ahead. I am still trying to get some pictures of the last four wives. My intention to start user page with the title "The Beginning" listing articles is to work on most of the actors of Mahabharata and Ramayana not covered or poorly covered in Wikipedia. I have all the time now to reread all the available Google books on the subject and refresh my knowledge, and particularity of RK Narayan and Ashok K Banker. I am sure you would like to continue to collaborate. Thanks for the Barnstar for UNseco articles on Mahabalipuram.--Nvvchar. 00:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Tarakeswar affair

Indeed you can consider a FA candidacy. It's a short compact article. Although ambitious, it might do good.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Baroli Temples

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Opinion needed

Hi, Can you please let me know if Nagore Dargah can be part of Hinduism project. Also please let me know about the broadly missing pieces (leaving the copy-edit) in the following - i am planning a GAN for these.

• Rajarani Temple
• Lingaraja Temple
• Parsurameswar Temple

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FYI

Sholay is in peer review.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:RBN

Hi. Spending a few days away from wikipedia it is easy to lose track of what is going on. I've set up a base for myself, Rosie and Nvv to organize our work from at Wikipedia:Rosblofnari. I hope you don't mind but I've added a section for yourself to list articles which have been expanded. I just think its a better way of organizing our collaborations without having to notify everybody and dig through talk pages. I know you often collaborate with Nvv so I think it would be a good idea if you used it as a base too and you list articles you two are working on on or DYK nommed on that page.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! and yes, finally they went through!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Tripura FAC

Replied at the FAC.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Mother India is a 1957 Hindi epic melodrama film, directed by Mehboob Khan and starring Nargis, Sunil Dutt, Rajendra Kumar, and Raaj Kumar. A remake of Khan's 1940 film Aurat, it is the story of a poverty-stricken village woman named Radha (Nargis) who struggles to raise her sons amidst many troubles. Despite her hardship, she sets a goddess-like moral example of an ideal Hindu Indian woman. In the end, she kills her criminal son for the greater good. Mother India metaphorically represents India as a nation in the aftermath of independence, and alludes to a strong sense of nationalism and nation-building. While some authors treat Radha as the symbol of women empowerment, others see her cast in female stereotypes. The film was the most expensive Hindi cinema production and earned the highest revenue for any Hindi film at that time. Mother India became a definitive cultural classic and is regarded one of the best Indian films. It was India's first submission for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film in 1958, where it made the shortlist. The film won the Filmfare Best Film Award for 1957, and Nargis and Khan won the Best Actress and Best Director awards respectively. (Full article...)

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Thank you

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Modi

This revert by you at Narendra Modi has led to some discussion on the article talk page. It may be helpful if you could elaborate. - Sitush (talk) 11:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

List of Indian submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film

The article is undergoing a PR. Your comments and suggestions would be much helpful. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Ashtabharya

If this is the main article linked to the other eight then there should be a specific reference for the hook stating this fact in each of the nine articles. Please suggest a suitable reference to cover each of the articles and also nominate. I have almost finished with the Amba article. Pl see. Two of our five articles on films are now in the lead for tomorrow. Congrats--Nvvchar. 03:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I will do the QPQs in the morning. Very tired today. --Nvvchar. 17:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

• I have done four QPQs. Reference needs to be fixed for 16000 wives also in continuation of Ashtabharya references as required by Tony in his review.--Nvvchar. 06:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Heartiest Congratulations and kudos to you. Mother India is today's Featured Article on the 100th anniversary of Indian cinema.--Nvvchar. 17:14, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Sant Tukaram (film)

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DYK for Hunterwali

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DYK for Master Vithal

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DYK for Mohini Bhasmasur

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Tripura FAC

Hi! Thanks for your comments in the fac. I have tried to address those. Could you please have another look? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Ascents of James

Sockpuppet article, deleted the article, shame I didn't catch it until it got promoted today. Dougweller (talk) 17:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Peer Review of Jainism

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On Tarakeswar affair

Do you fancy a plan to take the article for FAC? It may prove to be one of those nice little gems in FAC.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:25, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

number of references shouldn't be a major reason for opposition, unless there are other reasonable references available but have not been used. Do you have access to those books ? Can you read through them to ensure broad coverage? Moreover, do we know if there are other materials available in print ?--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I searched through google book. Yes, there is mention of this affair in many books related to Kolkata history or Kalighat painting. But it seems the mention is rather short, just what happened precisely, and that it was represented in Kalighat painting and farces. I did not come across any more detailed account f the event, not more than what is described in the article. There may be some more name of farces/plays though. And in Kalighat painting-related writings, some other incidents may be enumerated that were also represented later on, besides Elokshi event. Do you really think there are more details available in books listed in Google books? To me the article looks quite comprehensive. There may be more stuffs in newspapers of that day, which I dont think are available.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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Tukaram

Hi! Redtiger,

Tony is being very fussy. I hope he will clear it now. It is strange that after I did the articles on films (for the first time) with you on Tukaram and others I saw this film on the British Airways flight two days back. Very nice movie. Tukaram's and Jijai's roles are dramatically and superbly presented. You may like to see it here. [2]. What about Amba? Cheers.--Nvvchar. 11:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you pl suggest a hook from the article on Amba duly referenced for posting on DYK.--Nvvchar. 02:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Amba nome'd here Template:Did you know nominations/Amba (Mahabharata).--Nvvchar. 23:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Ashtabharya

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DYK for Junior wives of Krishna

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DYK for Rohini (Krishna's wife)

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Vamana

Dear Redtigerxyz, Good evening! I am not here to Vandalize. I want to create a disambiguation page for Vamana as it has two meanings. Please help me. I would like to discuss about it. Thanks.

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DYK for Amba (Mahabharata)

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List of pundits

Hello. As a contributor to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of pundits back in 2009, you may be interested to know I have renominated this article for deletion. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of pundits (2nd nomination). Robofish (talk) 21:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Kothandaramaswamy Temple

Hi, do you have any sources on this temple. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 12:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry. No. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:40, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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A cupcake for you!

Long time. No talk. How are you doing? -- Tito☸Dutta 14:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Jainism for FAC

Hi, I have nominated Jainism for Featured Article. You might be interested in participating in the review process here. Cheers Rahul Jain (talk) 15:33, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Chandragupta Maurya non-free image

Images of Chandragupta on net don't look like each other. No consensus on how he looked. I had chosen this File:ChandraguptaMaurya.jpg image because I thought they must have done some research how Chandragupta used to look before building this statue. But you are right. Anybody can go to that Mandir and take free image. It didn't cross my mind. Anyway, I am tired fighting over that article. I won't upload any new non-free image of him. Thanks. neo (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Shoutbox

Heez, I missed your post at Shoutbox. By grace of Krishna, I am fine too. Mainly busy with WP India and User:Titodutta/Swami Vivekananda's 150th birthday celebration initiatives --Tito☸Dutta 12:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your comments at the DYK nom page.I have modified the hook to a rather confusing but interesting hook! ;) Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle ^sorties 14:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Vishwakarma, Vishwakarma (caste)

88.128.80.12 is removing researched content from Vishwakarma, Vishwakarma (caste) persistently.Ganesh J. Acharya (talk) 12:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Templates

Hi! I couldn't find any proper template of all major Hindu demons. Some are covered in other templates like Template:Ramayana but many others should also be covered somewhere. Maybe you and User:Nvvchar can create one.
Also, some images from Template:Sapta Puri are now deleted from Commons and that's why it kinda looks odd. Can you add suitable images there? I hadn't seen it before the deletion and hence have no idea of what they were. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Cat:Tamil mythological figures

Hey, I just wish to comment on your recent removing of several articles I've added to Category: Tamil mythological figures.

I have basically added the Ramayana ones to the cat, As you may already be aware of i presume, Tamil people can be both Indian or Sri Lankan, apart from those in Malaysia and Singapore. So it was not disregarding the Pan-India acknowledgements that I had made the edit.

Then, additionally, characters closely associated with the Ramayan such as especially Ravanan/Ravana is widely part and parcel of even non-Hindus among the Sri Lankan Tamils, with a prominent belief that he was a Tamil Emperor in the age of the Ramayan.

For instance, Kamba Ramayanam, a different version of the Ramayana closely associates him, his brothers(Kumbhkaran and Vibhisan), his son(Inthrajith) as venerated figures among the historic Tamil community that existed when the epic was written.

Either ways perhaps, they are a part of the broader Tamil mythology across these countries, and not a culture restricted to Indian Tamils. So its only appropriate to have the category.I await your comments on this again and strongly feel the category should be reinstated on these articles.--CuCl2 11:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

"Pan-Indian, pan-Hindu in fact not only Tamil." I am not sure Kamban calls Ravana as a Tamil; but recently Ravana is revered as Tamil hero while criticizing the Aryan Rama. However, characters in the Ramayana are essentially Hindu and have pan-Indian importance as well as appear in the mythologies of almost all South and South-East Asian countries. IMO, "Tamil mythological figures" should be restricted to figures like Kannagi or Iravan (Tamil deities), which have regional (Tamil-cultural) importance in particular. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed of the Pan-Hindu Importance, but as I seek to mention the popular belief that Ravana and his minions were once a possible Tamil-speaking bunch, bears no relation to religion here. Ravna may have been a Saivaite, and maybe more renowned as a character in the Ramayana(which is not exclusively pan Indian) which is Pan-Hindu I agree, but the language he might have spoken is totally different from being Indian(which is purely of an geographic context;Indian was not a language, and ravana basically claimed in Ramayan to be speaking Proto-Dravidian/Tamil in the age when only Sanksrit and Tamil was known to exist in the subcontinent) or Hindu(which is a religion and again not a language). --CuCl2 15:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Maya Sita

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I really missed your posting on our sandbox page. Thought you were busy otherwise. Nice article.--Nvvchar. 02:32, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move

Sorry, I can't edit that 'main' section to reply you there or change template to RM. Can you please help me out? But let me tell you that article Mahavira was created on 30 May 2003. After 10 years The Rahul Jain moved it to IAST name without discussion. And to avoid edit warring I am running here and there to maintain 10 year long status quo. He has moved many pages without discussion as you can from his log. Please help me to change template to requested move template. Thanks! neo (talk) 11:57, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Changed to Requested move. Start moves on each page separately. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:05, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I will post it on respective talkpages. neo (talk) 12:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

remove for; as not parent Vishwakarma article

Kindly explain edit "remove for; as not parent Vishwakarma article" [3] Ganesh J. Acharya (talk) 13:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Searching Vishwakarma gives us the deity article, but you wanted to read the caste article so in Vishwakarma, {{for}} can be used for Vishwakarma (caste) in Vishwakarma, but vice versa is not true; you will not google Vishwakarma deity and reach on Vishwakarma (caste) article. Vishwakarma is the mother article so {{for}} is not needed.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Adding to the reassessment list

I want to add the Birbal article here but keep getting the message that server as crashed when I try to save it. Would you kindly add it over there? I would like one and also advice on how to improve it further.-Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your time, Redtigerxyz. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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Marathi literature

Hi! I came across this link www.Khapre.org which has full texts of many Marathi books, ranging from songs, bhajans, poems, aartis, lokgeete, plays and many more. Could be useful sometime. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:24, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, yes I also am busy. Will take time doing the review, may even take like a month or so.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:36, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

PR

You're needed at Wikipedia:Peer review/Tiruchirappalli/archive2. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:48, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you have time reviewing this article. Your comments would be much helpful. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Shiva

Stop reverting my changes in the article on Lord Shiva. If you have problem with the information added, bring it up in the "Talk" section of the article. All information I have added to the article is valid and relevant information from Hindu mythology and properly referenced. Apalaria (talk) 17:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Lingam and Shiva

See WP:RSN#Western sources on Hindu mythology and Wikipedia policy. I've given the editor two 3RR warnings. Dougweller (talk) 14:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

And he's been blocked for 48 hours, his 2nd block. Dougweller (talk) 15:23, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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@Sohambanerjee1998: Thanks a lot. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 10:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Anarkali picture

That's a cool picture but check the copyright tags. Are you sure it is okay to use? I am trying to get this article to FAC, so pictures need to be free. I was thinking of putting a picture of Anarkali's tomb instead, but again it's just so troublesome to not violate *&%&*^ copyright. If you can find one of the tomb, I think it would be better, since there are already two pictures of the lead pair. BollyJeff | talk 16:39, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Kumarakottam Temple

I have withdrawn the GA nomination. You may like to contribute to Kumarakottam Temple. Are these references [4] and [5]] acceptable to add more text?--Nvvchar. 18:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: For sense of a DYK, refs are OK. I wanted to edit more, but since you are editing (assuming had an edit conflict). Will edit tomorrow. Some refs: one of 21 major temples in Kanchi [6]; important in Kanchi district [7]; [8] Kanchi Kamakoti Mutt site. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 19:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Message

Thank you very much Redtiger for the message fon my achieving the milestone DYK 1000. Ibitekerezo marks the milestone 1000. The first was Mysore mallige (used in making the famous perfume Chanel No. 5, in 2007 for which my state of Karnataka is famous. I am the first non-native speaker on English to achieve this by a long shot. Redtiger xyz, you were the earliest to collaborate with me on a large number of articles in this milestone, apart from Rosiestep and Dr. B, who have also collaborated with me on a large number of articles. Thanks for the edit on the Kamarakottam Temple. Can you suggest a formulation for the DYK hook to include the colourful mandapam?--Nvvchar. 18:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I have nome'd Template:Did you know nominations/Kumarakottam Temple--Nvvchar. 15:42, 25 August 2013 (UTC) ‎

I have started this here User:Nvvchar/sandbox/Nag Panchami. I will develop articles on Sarpa Satra, Janamejaya, Astika, Uttanka, and sage Jarakaru individually rather than in a cluster.--Nvvchar. 16:30, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

As regards the WP:UNDUE, please delete the relevant sections. The existing article on Nag Panchami is already a long one but without any referencing. This reference [9] of Mahabharata epic narrates the Uttanka story. The Sapta Satra is mentioned here [10]] and also here.[11].--Nvvchar. 03:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Asaram Bapu

Finally a helpful and well-thought post. BIG thank. I have been attempting to get help everywhere including Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Asaram_Bapu. They just did not understand I am neither supporting nor opposing Asaram Bapu. Tito☸Dutta 12:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) With a tricolour in your signature and a Hindu sounding name you are very unlikely to be taken seriously and be heard of on various occasions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 15:35, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing the article on Shiva

If you have concerns, discuss in "Talk". Apalaria (talk) 19:20, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I have already posted on Talk:Shiva#Changes_being_reverted_by_biased_people on 15 August. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Move notice

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Ganapathy Homam on Ganesa Page

You have removed my section on Ganapathi Homam on the Ganesha page.I would like to contest that. Ganapathy Homam is an important aspect of Ganesh worship, atleast in South India. So it is not acceptable to remove it. If you have any other specific reasons do let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthik (talk • contribs) 16:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The room on the roof

Hi, could you review this article.Canvas Amulya 18:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kumarakottam Temple

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Noting your edits of deletions, I have moved the user page article to the main page here Nag Panchami. You may like to edit. I could not find a correct translation for the Sanskrit sloka given in the article. I am not sure if it is 5x now. Kindly check.--Nvvchar. 14:59, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Can I nominate it?--Nvvchar. 12:44, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Vaishno Devi

Hello, I hope you can answer a question here. Thank you.Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying.Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:41, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Kalyanasundara

Hi, there are two historical temples dedicated to Kalyanasundarar, namely Kalyanasundaresar Temple, Nallur and Kalyanasundareswarar Temple, Thiruvelvikudi that find mention in Tevaram.Ssriram mt (talk) 17:30, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

@Ssriram mt: Kalyanasundara is about the iconographical depiction/icon of Shiva's wedding. Both these temples commemorate/have legends related to Shiva's wedding so have the name Kalyanasundara but are not dedicated to this Shiva aspect; the icon is a lingam, not Kalyansundara.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:54, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

That is the case with most South Indian Shiva temples (leaving some in Kanchipuram) where the central iconic representation is lingam. I dont think there is any historical temple dedicated to Kalyanasundara other than these two. While the historic image is not known, a mention of these two in the worship form or popular culture can be effected.Ssriram mt (talk) 22:50, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Consorts

Although the dictionary meaning of consort has it all covered as spouse, husband/wife, partner, etc. isn't it practically more used for partner, rather than husband/wife? At least i think so. But many of our Hinduism articles refer characters as each other's consorts even if they are widely known and accepted to be married. And there is a huge difference between partner and spouse in India, to which these Hinduism article mainly cater to. You have written a vast majority of these articles and hence i genuinely wanted to know why "consort" has been used rather than wife/husband or spouse. Also, both Radha and Rukmini are referred to as consorts of Krishna in various different articles leaving no distinction. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 13:18, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha: Consort is often used for spouse while talking about royalty and divinity, in scholarly articles relating to mythology (not Hinduism in particular). Rukmini is the legal wife, while Radha is Krishna's lover. Both are worshipped as female partners of the god. Consort includes both of them. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for late reply. Through my very cursory check i notice than non-Indian authors have been using "consort" more often than Indian authors in their books. And that's logically as they are writing the way their readers would understand. But in here we don't necessarily have to change words to suit understanding of non-Indians; especially when the other word "wife" is fairly understandable by all. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:38, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) "Wife" would be the appropriate term for say Sita with respect to Rama, or Rukmini with respect to to Krishna. But in almost all other cases, especially with respect to non-avatar deities, consort would be the preferable term. I don't think there is a Indian vs non-Indian split on this usage in scholarly literature. Nor is there any negative connotation attached to the term consort. The consorts of Hindi deities can be regarded as their wives in some traditions/legends but more broadly correspondent to an aspect (or dual) of their nature/personality (see Consorts of Ganesha for an example). As such, substituting the narrower and less accurate term of wife/husband/spouse to match the sensibilities of the less informed readers is not appropriate for an encyclopedia where the aim is to educate, not pander. Perhaps a solution would be to create Consort (Hinduism) page that can explain all this; any volunteers? Abecedare (talk) 04:07, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha: Even Indian authors use "consort". [12], [13], [14]. Consorts may not be always wives, they may be shaktis or lovers as well. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:57, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

That was my point! There should be difference in these two. Wives, Sati, Parvati, Rukmini, should be referred to as wives and Kali, Radha, should be referred to as consorts. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:45, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha: But saying 'Radha is consort of Krishna, but Rukmini is not consort' is incorrect. Consort is a superset which includes wives. Parvati is the wife of Shiva, but she is also his female counterpart and shakti. The latter role is captured in "consort", but not in wife. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:45, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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Swaminaryan

Hello I was wondering if you could help me with editing a article for swaminarayan:

The Criticism section has been discussed and here is a suggested expansion. Any input would be helpful.

Several decades after formation of the movement, Swami Dayananda (1824–1883) questioned the acceptance of Swaminarayan as the Supreme Being and was disapproving towards the idea that visions of Swaminarayan could form a path to attaining perfection. Accused of deviating from the Vedas, his followers were criticised for the illegal collection of wealth and the "practice of frauds and tricks." In the views of Swami Dayananda, published as early as 1875, it was a "historical fact" that Swaminarayan decorated himself as Narayana in order to gain followers. Swaminarayan was criticized because he received large gifts from his followers and dressed and traveled as a Maharaja even though he had taken the vows of renunciation of the world.

Swaminarayan initiated reforms in both relationships without totally abolishing sex discrimination or caste differentiation. The interpretation and application of Swaminarayan’s reform raise two hotly debated issues of contemporary social ethics, the position of women society and the role of caste. However, while "many would assert that Swaminarayan Hinduism serves a patriarchal agenda, which attempts to keep women in certain roles", Swaminarayan himself, despite considerable criticism from those in his own contemporary society who "loathed the uplift of lower caste women," insisted that education was the inherent right of all people. According to Professor David Hardiman, "Swaminarayan's actions have propagated a vicious form of patriarchy that subjugates women." After traveling throughout India, he was reported to vomit even if approached by even the shadow of a women." Practices set forth by him seem to restrict women and make gender equality in leadership impossible. Professor Williams states, “No women are trustees of the religion nor do they serve on any managing committees of the major temples. Thus all the wealth and institutions are effective under the control of men.” Concepts of pollution associated with the menstrual cycle lead to the exclusion of women from the temples and daily worship. In case of widows, he directed those who could not follow the path of chastity to remarry. For those who could, he lay down strict rules which included them being under the control of male members of the family. This may seem regressive; however it gave them "a respected and secure place in the social order" of the time. He also directed male devotees not to listen to religious discourses given by women. Swaminarayan restricted widows "to live always under the control of male members of their family and prohibited them from receiving instruction in any science from any man excepting their nearest relations."

In relation to caste, as already suggested, the Swaminarayan order was and is predominantly conservative. Caste Divisions are scarely effaced by membership of the order and Harijans were formly excluded from Swaminarayan temples. Swaminarayan's sect dismissed caste as irrelevant to the soul's status before god though in practice, caste distinctions remained visible among them though reduced in complexity. He would eat along with the Rajput and Khati castes but not any lower. He established separate places of worship for the lower population where they were considerable. In the Shikshapatri, he wrote do not take food or water from a person of a lower caste. Members of a lower caste are prohibited from wearing a full sect mark (tilak chandlo) on their forehead. Even now, however, for the vast majority of Gujarat's lower-caste, Untouchable and tribal population, the sect is out of bounds.

If you can help me out. It would be very beneficial as I dont want to make mistakes. I put it on the talk page too but I have been getting attacked their so I am seeking outside help. Watch this for me. Thank you

I need some support.

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Hello,

I wanted to request your help. I explained it in detail and I cannot seem to get a moderator to understand that these people are controlling the article and ganging up on people that do not agree with their positive only portrayal of their religious group. I have posted my rebuttal on this link [[15]] and these people really do not want certain information up. fter I posted the links that supported what was already being deleted and they still had a problem with that so I sought out help.

They want to group me with other socks who I personally know who made mistakes and where angry at the conclusion of their research. I am just picking up where they were blocked of because I can. At the end of the day, I have not done anything wrong, sought out help and remained civil. Please keep and eye out and see that the correct approach is taken. I was reading the pillars of Wikipedia and it is so sad that vandals come in and want to manipulate the site for their own benefit.

Please I beg you to take a look and see that I have no ill intention. I just want to make sure that the right unbiased information is being upheld. I swear this is not my purpose to bother you on Wikipedia but I am so taken back that I would get this severe resistance from group members that want to make sure that articles are only portrayed in a certain way. I am so sorry for taking your time. I can only imagine the stuff that you deal with on a constant basis with bigger topics. I am contacting moderators who have assisted people I know in the past. Thank you

Bluespeakers (talk) 02:35, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your support. I saw all your contributions on the Swaminarayan article and clearly no response has been given by other users because I believe those group of users are waiting for my account to be blocked. I have been requesting help and responding to all allegations but they have a team that they belong to and they control the articles. They belong to the group Wikipedia:WikiProject Swaminarayan. They commonly patrol the articles and agree with each other for the sake of keeping the article the way they want denouncing systematically anyone who disagrees. As soon as discussions about the recent rape allegations came out about their sect, they have been extra controlling and quick to remove that information. They have a administrator Bbb23 that has block my partners in the past (I agree the went overboard but still I will make sure they appeal their cases) and I want to make sure that I get a fair case. This is really getting out of control and their ganging up on users is something that needs to be investigated.

I now stated on all the people that I have asked help from: I also want to know that I am apart of an ongoing sock investigation and I am currently fighting. Here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Swamifraud. I do not want this to affect your ability to assist in this article so after reading some of the accusing parties attacks, I am displaying. Please take a look at the articles above and contribute because there are many people patrolling the articles making sure that their religious group is only being portrayed in a certain way.

Please let me know if I need to do anything else.

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As you can see.. There would be 2 positive, and 2 negative paragraph, in the article probably, neither it will be written as "Appreciation", or "Criticism", it should be "reception." So are you going to revert your change, and add the dayanand's as much as it's acknowledged. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Just made some of the changes, about which no objection was made. Writing "criticized by historians and leaders" is probably huge thing than the actual story described in the page. And by 2007 he had confirmed 20 million followers, added "see also" and a category back as well. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Duladeo Temple

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Posted here Template:Did you know nominations/Duladeo Temple.--Nvvchar. 11:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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concept of Hinduism

Hello there

i am a proud hindu , an engineer , addressing major issue about wikipage of Hinduism

1] Defining Hinduism

there on the wikipage ,

the main concept of hinduism is given with the term 'laws' which is totally incorrect

the law is the one that is 'directly' subjected to the 'punishment' by the authority & indeed that's the common concept of the law and the well-known example is sharia law

the precise word should be the principles

and also

the concept is related with DharmaShastra

Shastra relates to the principles , and not the law

so both ways , the concept of law is totally incorrect

so please address this major issue

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Help with this one If u can

Criticism of Jainism, look at the edit history, and look at the talk page.. Both recent, related with Dayanand Saraswati mostly. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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Ashok Sundari

Please note the tv series devon ke dev mahadev is inspired by Devdutt Patnaik's writing. The sources you used were opinions and they can't be used as sources. Only academic sources like history books can be used as sources. Also Padma Purana actually does not mention any Ashok Sundari. Also Nahusha actually married Viraja daughter of Pitrs and not Shiva and Yayati was son of Nahusha not grandfather. Also note that this article was actually was nominates for deletion and consensus was reached to delete it. I don't know why it wasn't deleted but it can be deleted anytime any administrator wants it. MythoEditor (talk) 06:51, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Just because someone says does not necessarily mean it will be true. Where has been Ashok Sundari been mentioned in Padma Purana. This here is a short translation of the Padma Purana and does not mention any Ashok Sundari. Also it mentions Yayati as son of Nahusha. The websites you are using are providing wrong information which is itself a sign of unreliability:

• http://hinduonline.co/Scriptures/Puranas/PadmaPurana.html

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Is this a real Hindu goddess?

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Hi! This keeps happening every year or what?! In 2012, Kalnirnay and others[17] observed Jayanti on 27th December whereas Margashirsha Pournima was observed on 28th. That year, pournima started at 1:26PM and as Datta Janma is popularly considered to be of pradosh kaal (evening), the Jayanti was observed on 27th whereas the Pournima was observed the day in which sun rose. And the pournima was to end on 3:50PM of 28th. Similar scene happened this year in 2013. Dates were 16th and 17th as pournima started in afternoon of 16th. Where popularly,[18] the birth is considered to be of evening time, some sects also believe it to be of 12:39PM and they all observed it on the following days. (I couldn't yet find anything written about 12:39PM time. It actually is very odd as all pauranic time references are in prahars and not digits.) Can you lay your hands on something from reliable sources, discussing either of the birth times? Means if it is afternoon or evening? Our article on Datta Jayanti doesn't speak anything about birth time.
Add to the complexity, Kalnirnay writes Datta Jayanti will be on 5th Dec 2014 for Gangapur Kshetra and 6th Dec for Maharashtra. Thats probably because pournima starts in evening 6:18PM. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:40, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Vishnu maya

This article one of the various possible children of Shiva according to different legends is lying sourceless. If you can find reliable sources for it it will be a big help. Thank you. MythoEditor (talk) 10:09, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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