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Joe Davis

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Hi, what was your rationale for removing the More citations needed section|date=March 2021 template that I added to the article? As far as I can see, there are statements in the article that don't have any citations. (e.g "He went to School at Newbold while living with his grand parents" and "By that time Joe's father had become publican of the Queen's Hotel at Whittington Moor, which contained a full size billiard table") Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here we are:


"He went to School at Newbold while living with his grand parents" ;

"Accordingly an important decision was taken: I would have to go to live with my mother's parents about two miles away at Newbold.... Despite the geographical closeness of Newbold and Whittington Moor they might have been in separate worlds for all the contact that there was between them. I went to the little Newbold Council School (where it would be less than true to say that I distinguished myself) while the children that I had known at Whittington Moor went to their own establishment."

The next one:

"By that time Joe's father had become publican of the Queen's Hotel at Whittington Moor, which contained a full size billiard table" :

"It was not until I was about eleven years old that I returned to the family fold....in the intervening years they had amassed enough money to take another pub..they were able to move into the Queen's Hotel where my mother could afford additional domestic help and thus cope with having me around - especially since I was old enough to be useful in the pub. In one way the move was not a big step for my parents to take: the Queens Hotel was just about two hundred yards from the Traveller's Rest. But in another way it was a big step since the pub operated in an altogether superior league. Apart from being much larger it boasted three key attractions lacking in the Traveller's Rest: A licence for spirits (so that my father who drank only Scotch could at least entertain his cronies in his own pub): A crown bowling green (with tables round it at which the posh customers could eat and drink): And a full size billiard table.'' -


The Joe Davis biography is from this website here. The above is all on the same page:


https://web.archive.org/web/20090501050218/http://www.eaba.co.uk/books/davis/chapter1.html

I have now added the citations to those statements:


Davis, Joe (1976). The Breaks Came My Way – Autobiography. London: W. H. Allen. "Chapter 1: No meteors for me". Accessed via the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. Retrieved 23 March 2021.


Thank you very much.

Reddog78 (talk) 23:52, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying and for adding the sources into the article. I've got a copy of the book in my collection, and thought that this was probably where the information was coming from, but wasn't sure as there are some other sources, like the book Masters of the Baize, that cover his early life. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:24, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that's alright thank you. I just realised that I hadn't answered your question specifically:

I removed the more citations needed template because I knew where the information came from relating to those two statements and where I had read them. The above website via the wayback machine specifically from EABA (English Amateur Billiards Association) Online, appears to have printed all of Joe's autobiography The Breaks Came My Way. But what I could not do because I don't have the book myself and this website does not print page numbers, was to type the page number where that information came from. But I could type the chapter name and number because the website gives that.

Regards Reddog78 (talk) 11:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Lots of little edits

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Hi, when making a lot of changes to an article, such as you have on Snooker, please can you make a fewer edits with more changes in and a decent change description, rather than lots of little edits with no change descriptions. Thanks. It makes following your changes easier. For the record, I've seen some editors simply revert long runs of little changes without justifying change descriptions, because some are wrong and it's too slow for them to examine each change. Thanks. ToaneeM (talk) 22:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes of course. Thank you very much. Sorry for not putting a change description.
All I was trying to do in my edits was to put references to the 15 red ball game called pyramids. I came across the 1850 book which I referenced in the notes section also, which described a very similar game that was called pyramid pool, but played with 14 red balls instead.
But confusingly, I have since found in books from the 19th century, that the 15 red ball game of pyramids was also, (but not always) known as pyramid pool at various times. -
p.49 here from 1873. -
Billiards Made Easy. With the Scientific Principles of the Side-stroke and ... - Google Books
From p.478 here, in 1881, it describes pyramids as the 15 red ball game. But describes the same game played for a stake, to which all contribute, as pyramid pool, or shell-out. -
The Boys' Book of Manly Exercises, Sports, and Games - Google Books
And to add more confusion, this book from 1884 on page 120 refers to the game as being called pyramids. But states that:
The game of Pyramids many years ago used to be called pyramid pool, and strange to say, those old-fashioned documents known as the rules still maintain the old title. -
Billiards, ed. by A.G. Payne - William Cook - Google Books
Thank you. Reddog78 (talk) 07:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks and appreciate your understanding on that. It's the number of edits as much as the lack of notes. Good luck with the pyramid pool, looks like a real trip into history. ToaneeM (talk) 13:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Reddog78 (talk) 16:24, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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