User talk:Realist2/Archive 10

Kodster

I'm back (but not in black). I still have some stuff to fix on my damn lousy computer, so I won't be here for a half hour or so. See you then. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 22:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

WOW, that was fast. OK, I'm back on. I finished the Rolling Stone book. Time to work on the article. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 22:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That book helped a LOT! Check out the article now! I only worked on the "Recording" section, though the book has info on just about everything. More later, could you please tell me how it is so far? Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 23:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Look at this. Do you agree? Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 23:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Just something that was on my mind. Do you want me to fix the grammar on your user page? No offense or anything, but it could be a bit more clear to people who are reading it if I do a basic little "copyedit." (All it really is is capitalizing "I"s and putting commas and such). Just a thought. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Do you want to fill me in on what this is about? It just seems like random edits that don't make any sense. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 20:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

our

Ah, I see. He took an old edit of the page, copied it, and pasted it to the new page. Vandalism nonetheless. Oh well. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 21:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, considering that you're the ONLY person on my talk page, do you think I have many friends here? (Well, I did archive my page a few days ago). :) Anyway, did you find anything new for the albums list?

Yeah, I'm busy on Like a Rolling Stone. I'm sure that there has to be some source for all of those albums, and, at the end of the day, if there's absolutely no sources whatsoever for a few, we can just take them out. But that's a last resort, that shouldn't happen now. And then there's the vandalism.... Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 22:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what to do with that "Themes" section. It just looks like a big POV section to me. I don't know what to do really. I'll try to help all I can. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 22:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

As Rurfisch always says, compare your article to another GA or FA, in this case, FA, article about the same thing. So, I looked at the FA list, looking for an article about an album. I found one (Adore), and I got an idea. Instead of making it themes, it could be about the actual music itself, and how it varies from Jackson's previous works. We'll still have to find some sources, but this Themes section isn't going to work, I don't think. Look at the "Adore" article, and look at the "Music" subsection (under "Recording"), to get a basic gist of what I'm saying. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 22:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that's the best idea at this point, to pull some of them off. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 22:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, "No Angel" was the one that I just sourced! Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 23:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't stop laughing when, right after I posted that last message, I see "LOL" on my talk page. That was just hilarious. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 23:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See talk page. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 15:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Yay, new signature! Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 15:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Done with categories for the albums list. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 16:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, we have to get Thriller.... Let me check out the list, and I'll tell you. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 16:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here's my list:

• Thriller
• Back in Black
• Sgt. Pepper
• Titanic
• Hotel California
• Daydream
• Metallica

Feel free to give other suggestions, I basically picked the ones that I thought were most notable. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 16:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

See talk page. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 17:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, AWB actually did something useful. I added "align="center"" to all the refs using it. It took less than a minute. :) Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 19:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, just let me fix a few things on my talk page. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 19:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, about the banner. You know I didn't do that myself, right? Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 23:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, this is hilarious. I just used one of the fonts on my computer. And you called me a "cheat" before! Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 23:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Here you go. Just transfer it using "Realist2.jpg". Or do you want me to do it? Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 23:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I used Ryry5's whole user page and talk page and basically put all his stuff on mine. Though I wouldn't advise doing that, because it took me the whole day to do it. I'll put the picture on if you want. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 00:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll do it. (It's "Image:Realist2.JPG", forgot to tell you). And yeah, we should put the unsourced statements on the talk page or in a sandbox so that we have them for later. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 00:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The list looks good, and I'm updating the picture for the fifth time again. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 00:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if you've been getting "new messages" over and over. I was fixing the logo. I think it'll work better if you take off those flashing "welcome" things. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 00:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Yay! How's that? Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 00:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

MJ

Yep, I'm done for now. I left a summary on the talk page, outlining what still needs to be accomplished. If you need any help, please feel free to let me know. Good luck! Best, Happyme22 (talk) 22:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you confused with the citation templates, or with citing books? The way I described on the talk page is just one of many ways to cite books, although I find it to be the most efficient. Happyme22 (talk) 22:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Well using different templates can give you different effects within the different parameters. For example, {{Cite news}} allows you to use the |work= paramater, which italicizes whatever is written there, whereas the |publisher= parameter of {{Cite web}} does not. {{Cite video}} also has many different parameters used for different pieces of information. I'm not sure if it is necessary to use the different templates, but I was taught to. I'll take a look at the book source and formatting right now. Happyme22 (talk) 22:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol thanks! I just did some more work with the refs. I think your citation templates are fine, as long as the information is conveyed properly. Just a side note: whenever citing a newspaper, use the |work= parameter, and don't cite anything in capital letters unless it is a news channel (like CNN, PBS, etc.) It's been great working with you! Happyme22 (talk) 23:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstar! Would you be shocked if I told you that I had never officially copyedited an article before? :) Please drop me a line if/when the recommendations are completed and the article is up for FAC, because I'd love to comment. It's been great working with you! My best, Happyme22 (talk) 02:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If you mean this discussion, heck no. It appears other users have given up on it, though, as not much has come of it. I'm not sure how to do it since we are all in favor of interweaving the material into the text, but there isn't anything currently talking about racism in the text. Any ideas or proposals? (You can present them to me or at the Obama talk page.) Happyme22 (talk) 02:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, tell me about it... You should have seen it about two months ago, when it was having to be fully protected about every five hours because of edit warring. I tried to make it more neutral (because at that time it was ridiculously pro-Obama) and I was personally attacked many times by the editors for paraphrasing quotes, adding what critics thought, etc. So I watch my back when I'm over there, but I would like to see this particular thing implemented, because it is very interesting. I'm a Republican, but I'm a NPOV editor :) --Happyme22 (talk) 02:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I have to say, working with a liberal editor over on the Reagan page has made me appreciate the concept of NPOV. Anyway, I'm going to leave for now but thanks for an enjoyable day! My best to you, Happyme22 (talk) 02:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

heads up: Michael Jackson says ranch foreclosure averted

It's just so difficult because the people there are so overtly pro-Obama and are are extremely hesitant to include anything that will disrupt that perfect image they have of their guy. It's such a shame that the most visited biography on Wikipedia is controlled by partisan editors. But I've been involved in other disagreements on pages and this surely isn't the first time that I've been let down. Oh well, thanks for your encouragement. --Happyme22 (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I don't plan on going back to that page anymore unless I have to. Happyme22 (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The People vs Michael Jackson

I added a sentence saying that pop culture has glossed over Michael Jackson's innocence, and it was removed on the grounds of not being contructive. Lack of citation, maybe, but how was it not contructive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.237.40 (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Taken care of. See his talk page, and see if I got the gist of what you would say. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 23:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't really talk to anyone else much. It's a lot easier, I found, to have one big section for me, so I can just use section-edit instead of regular edits. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 21:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Adminship

ha ha ha, thanks for asking, I am flattered. But I think I'll have to decline. For one thing, I am pretty sure an RfA would not succeed. I don't have a huge body of work improving articles, and I definitely have not authored any articles from scratch. I mostly do vandal patrolling, and some copy-editing, but I really haven't ever done the legwork to research a topic, find sources, etc. From the RfAs I have read, they kindof like to see that kind of extra effort for potential admins. In addition, heh, it's kindof embarrassing, but there was a recent incident where I got caught using a sockpuppet account to do a little WP:POINT-esque vandalism (a couple of very petty debates were really pissing me off, so I created a bad hand account to make fun of both of the warring sides... Yeah, stupid and immature, I know..). I got off with a warning, since it's obvious my positive contributions to the project far outweigh one incidence of reckless misbehavior, but an RfA right now would basically mean a whole bunch more people finding out about the sockpuppet incident and ripping me for it, especially since that just happened like four days ago. heh...

Also, I've pondered this before, and I'm not really sure I'd want to be an admin anyway. It would be really handy to be able to impose non-controversial blocks myself without having to report to WP:AIV, since I do so much vandal patrolling; and every once in a while I find I could use some other admin tool... but I would hate to have to do things like decide the results of controversial AfD discussions, figure out what to do about ongoing edit wars when both parties are acting in good faith, etc. I kindof like that right now, if I'm feeling moody and I want to go off on somebody, I can just do that and maybe the worst that will happen is I get a warning about WP:CIVIL. Or if there is a semi-notable organization whose ideals really piss me off, I can nominate the article for deletion and if it turns out I was just letting my opinions overwhelm my judgment, there is a process in place to put a check on that.

Thanks very much for the offer though. In a few months, when the sockpuppet incident is a distant memory, I might think about it. Right now, though, even if I decided I definitely wanted to, it's just not going to happen. Thanks though! --Jaysweet (talk) 14:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Reverting

Hey, no problem. I do have to admit I did quite the doubletake when I saw that... Thingg^⊕⊗ 18:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Yeah, I get it so many times a day I just kind of ignore it. Some people just do not know how to give up. Rgoodermote  18:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Compared to other cases mate. That was slow. Rgoodermote  18:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Conservapedia

Have heard of it, not seen it. If it's interesting, drop me an email, I'll be around a while. --Rodhullandemu 22:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

You can do it from Wikimail, the "email this user" box on the left of my user page. --Rodhullandemu 22:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If they want to do that, I can't say I have a problem with it. However, with people like that, it's usually "meet the new boss; same as the old boss". I don't see it making much difference to us. --Rodhullandemu 22:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If you cite the link, and it subsequently goes dead, you'll have to rely on the content being preserved somewhere like the Wayback Machine. As far as I know, that tends to lag behind somewhat and concentrates on high-traffic sites, so it's a bit of a shot in the dark whether it will last; and if it doesn't, your reference has no value. I'm not quite sure what you want to say, but we are talking about a fringe site, so I wouldn't regard it as being important. --Rodhullandemu 23:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed it is a fringe site but we have an article on it that at one point was a GA article, actually the discussion is very interesting, for example the admins admit that they faked being religious conservatives to become admins, they acknowledge that their own site is absurd and they want a revolt and for it to be more normal. Its not a case of wanting to replace one nut job with another. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 23:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

An internal revolution coming for the moderate wing? Oh, the irony. You have to laugh really. It's great to see idealogues tearing themselves apart, but actually, there's nothing new in it at all. I saw it in the UK Conservative party student wing 25 years ago. "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history..." and all that. --Rodhullandemu 23:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, I love that place, it's hilarious. It's funny how they don't have a criticism section for George Bush but they do for Al Gore. Naturally, that was the first thing I wanted to see, and I cracked up laughing after that. Oh, those conservatives. What are we going to do with you? (Just kidding, by the way. I'm okay with conservatives, I just don't agree with what they say.) Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 23:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Activity Levels On Wikipedia

I am mostly too busy with school and homework to work on Wikipedia that much. I had Star testing last week so my schedule was easier. Don't worry I'm not busy on the weekends.Xp54321 (talk) 23:17, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Jackson

Hi Realist2, thanks for asking re the copyedit. I will politely decline though; I prefer to stick to areas I'm interested in, and am working on some other stuff on WP. Regards, –Outriggr § 00:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Japanese Sources

Should not generally be used- Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English_sources without a reliable translation. In particular, automated translations such as those provided by Excite or Google, are notoriously unreliable because they take no account of context. Having looked at this one, there is a mention of "100 million" but its not clear of what. I'd say it fails WP:V as it is now. --Rodhullandemu 15:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Partisan Politics

I'm not into that at all. I only have reported what I've seen, heard. What I've heard is that Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Mike Le Vine (conservative) have said. I only watch the news, been doing that since "we" got hit on 9-11. One more hit like that, a worse attack, and the US will be under Martial Law, with all of its ugly trimmings, such as the police, soldiers summarily shooting people. I, like you, are of military age as well, thus subject to the the draft. All it takes is some idiot in Washington DC and/or in some other area of the planet to start a real war, and we get drafted. Keep a eye on the news outlets, both liberal and conservative. 65.163.112.77 (talk) 19:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

MY ISP just assigned this IP to me. 65.163.112.77 (talk) 19:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

AWB

Hi, I've never used it so I'm probably not much help. I think the Kodster has it, you could try asking him. --Rodhullandemu 01:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Realist2. There's not really much u can do with AWB. Mainly it fixes spelling errors and non-important things (like [[Hawaii]]ans instead of [[Hawaii|Hawaiians]]).

Anyway, to use it, first you have to pick an article. You see on the left side there's a thing that says "make from". If you click that, you can see that there's a bunch of things that you can do. If you pick "My Watchlist" in the scroll-down menu, and then click "Make list", it will take all the articles in your watchlist and put it into a list. That way, you can go down all the articles in your watchlist and edit. If you don't want to pick any of those categories, then go to the little box next to "Add", type in an article, and click "Add". This way, you can make your own list of articles to edit.

Okay, now that that's done, time to actually edit. Go to the middle section where it says "Options", "More...", "Disambig", etc. Now check the following:

1. Auto Tag

2. Apply General Fixes

3. Unicodify Whole Article

After those are checked, click on "Start" tab. Next to "summary", type your edit summary. "Using AWB" is automatically added into your summary, so you don't have to type that. Now click "Start", and then wait for a screen to pop up. If it says "No changes", then click the big "Ignore" button to go the next article in your list. If there are changes, then look at what they are, make any other changes in the edit box on the right, and click the big "Save" button. That's all. If you have any questions, feel free to talk to me on my page. Though, I warn you, AWB isn't always right. Always look at what you're doing, because you can really screw up an article if you don't use it right. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 01:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's only good for people who make really small edits. It's not good for actually changing the information, which is what we usually do. It's kind of like Twinkle, the anti-vandal tool. It's only useful if you do that kind of thing. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 01:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Like a Rolling Stone failed the GA. If you want, look at the talk page for more. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 19:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I am honored in your faith in me. Thank you! !Xp54321 (talk) 01:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

SEE ABOVE MESSAGE!!!!:)Xp54321 (talk) 01:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to say. It will soon be over 2000 edits.:)Xp54321 (talk) 01:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:User page design

It looks good really, but I think we/I should organize it a bit. Would you like me to renovate your user page? -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 01:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Any specifics? -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 01:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll try later, as I need to get me something to eat. :) I also renovated it more. --RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 02:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm back (and I know that was quick). I'll continue. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 02:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was noodles. :P Oh, I can't seem to move the GA box like you wanted it to be. But I think I can make it as a table instead. Is that OK? -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 02:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Take a look. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll try a doing those today. I may be busy for a while after this. I may also add the backround today if I have time. --RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It looks good now! I think I’m done redesigning your user page, right?-- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I forgot about that. I'll see what I can do. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't create logos. Ask User:Milk's Favorite Cookie. He's the one who created the logo for me. Well, I think this is my best work so far. Any more comments? -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I noticed your comment on Milk’s favorite cookie’s talkpage. I’m a he.-- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 04:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. So, how’s the barnstar coming along? I have to go to sleep soon. I’m tired out. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 04:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

There it is! Thanks. I hope you like your user page. If you ever need help with it, just ask. A link to my page should be on the bar at the bottom of your user page. Cheers. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 04:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Let me see... --RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I thought both colors looked good. Also, try to use more edit summaries as they are important. You don't really use it often as I've noticed. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Conservapedia

I know of it, but that's about it. --Jaysweet (talk) 14:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

On an only vaguely-related note, you might get a chuckle out of this. --Jaysweet (talk) 13:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, that was funny. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 19:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

List of albums..

No problem with images as long as they pass the WP:NFCC criteria, i.e. not too many, FU rationale for each for the article, etc. Let me know how you get on. --Rodhullandemu 23:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

GA review

Can you review Backlash (2006)? Speed CG ^Talk 16:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Madonna

I'm not sure it is either. I'm not really going to do heavy contributing, All I ever wanted to was improve the LEAD, which I did a while ago. It definetly needs a new Peer Review-preferably by people from the biography project. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 03:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

MJ Archives

I suppose technically they should be culled but it's unlikely to cause a fuss. I haven't time to do it myself, but feel free if you feel it's necessary. --Rodhullandemu 17:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Question(s)

Just downloaded everything necessary for awb. But I don't see where to start the program. (No desktop icon,start menu has nothing) Does it start automatically? I would hate to download something and found I couldn't use it a second time.It's currently on because I activated its exe file right from where I extracted it to.Help!I am approved.Xp54321 (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

My dad just helped me. He has 30 years of experience with computers. Use the search feature for files and search by date. Use the advanced options. Then after finding the file follow the advice above from kodster. Or send it to desktop to create a shortcut. I found it and did it all successfully or rather my dad did it. Xp54321 (talk) 00:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Just reached 2000 edits!!! Thank you AWB!!!:)Xp54321 (talk) 01:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Hi - Im still here and i hold no bitterness for the distant past

Hi. I'm glad to see you are still contributing. Thanks for the note, Rjd0060 (talk) 03:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Mastrchf91

Hey there Realist. Do you think you could possibly give clarification, either on my talk page or on the RfA page, of your reasons for your vote? Thanks, Mastrchf (^t/_c) 05:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Heterophobia

I've had a quick look at this editor. So far, he seems to be pushing a POV but not actually inserting one into articles. His problem is that he is not citing sources, and, indeed, claims that there is a media cover-up. This is, as far as we're concerned, a self-defeating argument and isn't going to take him anywhere. As far as WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL are concerned, I don't think he's quite got there yet; heterophobia is not yet taken to be an insult, and I see no particular need for admin action. However, he is close to the line and I will keep an eye on his contribs. If I'm not around, you can raise it at Wikiquette alerts. Cheers. --Rodhullandemu 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Banner

I moved it to my sandbox. I'm gonna keep it there until I add html to my userpage. And I made a new signature! The Bookkeeper (_{of the Occult}) 19:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Best-selling albums

It's always difficult putting images into lists. The acid test is that they should be encyclopedic and not just decorative; however, a bare list is insufferably unentertaining, and my personal preference is that an image here and there makes the reader's experience more enjoyable, and hence is more likely to make people come back to Wikipedia. This is, arguably, what we are here to achieve. I would *try* on this list to include say four examples, as you suggest, but as far as image policy goes, you might be fighting a losing battle. The image police are not easily persuaded, because the non-free content policy is pretty rigid, not that I've ever seen it challenged from outside. That said, a strong Fair-Use Rationale for use of a few images in the list may well succeed. I can't judge beforehand, unfortunately; it's just a case of trying it and being prepared to lose. Give it a go, keep me posted, and I'll do what I can, if I can still be arsed editing here at all. Cheers. --Rodhullandemu 20:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:RfA's are for pussies. I've seen it all. Look at my own, for example. If I can get though that, I fear nothing. --Rodhullandemu 20:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Starting self-noms at -1

The math doesn't actually work out to start the opposes at -1 so that Kurt's !vote would be automatically counted. That would actually result in one less oppose than there should have been. For example, User XYZ self-noms and starts out 0/-1/0. Then two guys come along and support and one (not Kurt) opposes). Now the tally is 2/0/0. He appears to have 100% support when, in actuality, he should have 50% (that one opposer and Kurt). This -1 doesn't auto-add for Kurt, it only prevents Kurt from !voting and gives the candidate a higher support percentage than he should have. However, I may have misunderstood what you meant by starting at -1, so if I'm just confused, please let me know. Useight (talk) 23:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Your sig

Hey Realist, another piece of advice, if you are thinking about running for adminship down the road, I would modify your sig... it is hard to read---namely the lime green. Everytime I see it I cringe. It's a minor point, but sillier things have derailed RfA's.Balloonman (talk) 00:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, I always associate lime and yellow with him. But yeah, WP:SIG says that signatures should not be hard to read. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 00:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Discipline Tour

It's fake. None of the references used for the article are real- its just a collection of external links. The Bookkeeper (_{of the Occult}) 04:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

lol. The third reference is for Madonna's upcoming tour. The Bookkeeper (_{of the Occult}) 04:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks!

		RfA: Many thanks
		Many thanks for your participation in my recent request for adminship. I am impressed by the amount of thought that goes into people's contribution to the RfA process, and humbled that so many have chosen to trust me with this new responsibility. I step into this new role cautiously, but will do my very best to live up to your kind words and expectations, and to further the project of the encyclopedia. Again, thank you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 06:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Its no problem, well deserved. Realist² (Come Speak To Me) 06:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again.  :) --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 06:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)