User talk:Rat908
You may have misunderstood the purpose of Wikipedia a bit here. Yes, the subject matter is presumably relevant to the subjects, but that's the operative phrase - to the subject/s. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and is thus designed to contain information about things/groups/people/places/etc which are notable in accordance with our guidelines. A group of mates hanging around at school and what their hopes and dreams are doesn't seem to be particularly notable. It's admirable that you want to argue that teenagers aren't troublesome (although some of the comments in this article might in fact argue the opposite), but creating an article like this isn't the way to do it. There are, however, any number of blogging and web-hosting sites which allow you to post things like this. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
blogging and other websites will not eductate people about the real teenagers. i think you are missing the whole point of this article...it is not about a bunch of mates hanging around or whether or not what they are doing is troublesome. it is about the minds of the mates and what they are really like. not troublesome youth as many currant affair programs would have you belive. They dont roam the streets at night. they are close and these are the standard teenagers. the minoirty are out at night causing trouble. 7 years ago me and my mates were the same and althought the troublesome youth thing wasnt as big then as it is now it still bothered me that i was being persecuted for doing nothing. i was a modern Jesus. I dont want the dilema of teenagers spreading too much so i felt the only way to stop it was to use you guys. because prejudice comes from ignorance. so even if only 10 people see this i have done my job— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rat908 (talk • contribs)
- As far as the education aspect goes, let's put it this way: Your article is highly unlikely to be kept because it's not the sort of thing which qualifies as an encyclopedia article either here or in any other encyclopedia. Thus, it won't be doing anyone any much good. If it's hosted on another website, though, it will presumably stay there and will at least have the chance of doing what you want it to. I'm not making any guarantees here, obviously, but at least it will physically exist somewhere on the net.
- I can understand where you're coming from on this, but Wikipedia exists to document notable things and people. Nobody in the Stair Posse is notable, although in years to come they may become so, thus the point of the article is moot. Again, it's admirable that you're trying to show a different side to youth culture, but Wikipedia isn't the place to do it. We don't host information about people who aren't notable (or at least if we do, it just hangs around until someone sees it and deletes it) and we don't host things designed to promote one view or the other view in a contentious issue. I would suggest that, if you want to promote this viewpoint, you have a look at the article on Teenagers and the pages stemming from there and see if there isn't something (well-sourced, of course) that you can't add to that. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and PS: For the sake of clarity, I've reposted my comment which began this thread. It's usually not the done thing to remove someone's comment when responding to it around here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh sorry didnt realise i did that. You say that this isnt an encyclopedia article. well are you saying that if i were to look up something like The Black Eyed Peas in an encyclopedie Britannica or something of similar stature i would find it? because i doubt that i would. i highyl doubt it. And you say no one in the stair posse is notable. this is where you are wrong. Mark Faulkland, a teacher and a VIP member of the group is the guitarist for the Canberra/Melb. based band Young + Restless. These guys have just won triple j's unearthed competition and will be playin at the Homebake festival in Syd in about 3 weeks time. Hence, notable people in this group.
It has come to my attention that i have not included mark in this as a member nonly as a past time of the group. i will change that now
- In terms of Faulkland and his notability, we're still a bit short of the mark I think. For example, George W Bush is of course eminently notable, but what he ate for breakfast today is probably not so. Sorry if that's a blunt analogy, but just because one member of a group (which, by the way, there seems to be no verifiable evidence that it exists beyond your say-so) happens to be notable, it doesn't necessarily make everything he touches notable. One could also argue that Faulkland's band is notable but Faulkland himself isn't just as yet, although at least in an article on his band one would expect to see the words "Guitarist - Mark Faulkland", with or without a link to an article on the gentleman concerned.
- In relation to the Black Eyed Peas analogy, the point is that they qualify under the relevant guideline. I needn't explain exactly why this is, but they do. Britannica obviously doesn't have an entry on them as yet, but I'd argue that one major reason for that is that Britannica is an offline encyclopedia and Wikipedia is an online one, which can therefore be updated much faster. Whether for better or for worse, the cultural impact of the Peas is probably going to get them an article at least in a specialist encyclopedia dedicated to music one of these days. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Do you want evidence of marks band? do you want evidence of their vitory? http://www.triplejunearthed.com/competitions/default.aspx?TripleJCompetitionId=36 (unearthed website announcement) the black eyed peas will never be in a printed encyclopedia because they are a band. nothing to do with how easily thing can be updates. everything can be updated. everything in the world. we dont know everything. so theoreticly, nothing shouldbe in an encyclopedia. you guys dont have an article on Young + Restless so how can i possibly reference it. maybe i can put the bands website link in sources. would that do it? what would i need to do to source it. i am not saying that he is the most important dude around im not saying that he is god. i am saying that he is of notable interest to some poeple. which is basically all it comes down to personal interests. well im headin off now. i will continue this discussion tomorrow. good night
- I'm not for a moment doubting that the band exists and won the competition. I never said that earlier on and neither am I saying it now. What I said was that what we've got now is as follows: A band exists and won a competition (agreed). One member of this band is a teacher at a particular school (I'll even take that on faith). In his capacity as a teacher at this school, the member of the band knows a bunch of mates (I have no reason to doubt this, given the above statements). This article is on the bunch of mates and what they do. That sounds more than a bit tenuous to me. For example, I'm related to Michael Lynagh, but I don't get an article just for that - if I want an article, I have to do something noteworthy.
- In terms of the issue of sourcing, that website you've linked will be a great source for an article on Faulkland's band. What it won't be a good source for, though, is an article on the Stair Posse, which isn't mentioned at all there. By all means write up an article on the band (I'm surprised nobody has yet, in fact) and use that source.
- While it's somewhat beside the point, saying that a band will never be in an encyclopedia is inaccurate. Bands such as the Beatles are in encyclopedias. Granted the Black Eyed Peas have a way to go before they reach the heights the Beatles did, but I think you can see my point. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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