User talk:RashersTierney/Archive 5

Hornets nest

On second thoughts, and if I have already been of service enough to you, I will avoid further comment on the issues at this stage. If I can be of further service with procedural issues please ask on my talk page and I will respond on that page but I won't get drawn into the tornado that is slowly developing over there... Hope that's ok? Best --Jubilee♫clipman 22:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Perfectly understandable I'm sorry to say. Thanks again for your help hitherto. See you around. RashersTierney (talk) 23:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Don't be a stranger. --Jubilee♫clipman 01:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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RashersTienney,

I have revised my entry for the Sinti after your entry. All I am writing is proved by innumerable judiciary acts and verdicts by Italian courts, which you can easily find almost daily on www.corriere.it. For the sake of conciseness it is simply unthinkable to quote them all.

thank you for your contribution and for keeping this community alive

best

Nick —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.218.10.195 (talk) 21:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Irish passport

Thanks you Rashers for your words of encouragement concerning my edit on the above. This is actually the person formerly known as User Redking7. I was banned (unfairly in my view - supposed reasons are discusson on my old talk page). I actually made lots of contributions like the one above (just have a look at Names of the Irish state - an article now being eroded by politics, 2 years ago or so before I started on it...). But alas, I am looking around for other hobbies because I can rarely edit now...The WP "ban" sort of spots you've edited from your IP address and the ban tightens up for a while....All the best. 84.203.37.67 (talk) 00:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Socking on Wikipedia is the big no-no in my book. I've no doubt you are familiar with the procedures for 'rehab'. Go for it. RashersTierney (talk) 01:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you read my user talk page. My ban had absolutely nothing to do with socking. Any "socking" i have been up to was not even considered when I was banned. Regards. 84.203.37.67 (talk) 10:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Your current block has everything to do with sock-puppetry - Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Redking7/Archive. The fact that you do not appear to be concealing what amounts to block evasion might be viewed in your favour, but the onus is on you to rectify your present predicament. RashersTierney (talk) 10:44, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I was blocked permanently for my edits relating to the diplomatic missions of the Republic of China. That is my "current block". How can you say otherwise if you have read my talk page? 84.203.37.67 (talk) 07:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Rangeblock renewed for a month this time. SirFozzie (talk) 20:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Irish American

RashersTierney could you have a look at, and perhaps assist in engaging the wikiIreland community, on the "discussion" going on regarding the inclusion of "Scots Irish American" content in the Irish American article Irish American? (Its at the bottom of the discussion section) I believe that the wikiIreland community et al will have a more academic perspective on the points, (such as what Irish citizens left Ireland for elsewhere and when etc.,) rather than just a few POV pushers who would ideally like to dictate the content as it suits their interests. Thank you!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.75.57 (talk) 06:33, 16 February 2010

Please see WP:CANVASS and Wikipedia:Signatures#How to sign your posts. I had been following the discussion but now feel less inclined to get involved. RashersTierney (talk) 11:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your consideration just the same.67.83.75.57 (talk) 14:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Citizenship

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If you are interested do you want to cooperate on some intense work on that article and try to bring it up to a higher quality? -- RA (talk) 20:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll give it some thought and may weigh inoccasionally, but its a bit close to the competing nationalists tectonic-plate-slip-plane for my comfort zone. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Understood. Though that series of articles generally pass under the radar of the tectonics I find. Keep an eye on it and I'll do something on it over the coming weeks. -- RA (talk) 08:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Contradiction involving the corect term for "Romani/Romany language"

Hello mr. Rashers,

I would like to correct you or whoever wrote the article regarding Romany/Romani Language (Gypsy Language). The correct term for this language is Rromales, Gypsy or Rromani. It has nothing to do with Romany or Romani (whatever that means..)and especially with Romanian language. These languages (Rromales and Romanian) are different in every point of view, but because of the term "Romani" or "Romanies" everyone else on this planet confuse the 2 populations. That's why in every movie with Gypsies their characters speak in romanian, that's why many countries confuse Romanians with Gypsies, etc. and we, the Romanians have problems with authorities in other countries, are discriminated and badly treated wherever we go in this world. I'm just tired of this confusion everywhere I go and for people to think i'm a gypsy! I have nothing with them, I'm not a racist, but let's just draw a line between this cultures. The problem is I cannot provide you quotes in English to sustain my argument, because most of the web pages borrowed one from another the term of Romani/Romany, and that is, of course, the wrong one. But you can find web pages in Romanian's Google version about Rromales or Rromani language, Rromales web page, etc.

Have a nice day! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nefertidi (talk • contribs) 20:06, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

There is far less confusion on the distinction between Roma/Romani/Romany/Romanian than you seem to think, as has been demonstrated by numerous discussions here on Wikipedia over a long period of time. One of the non-negotiable principles for content inclusion in the project is WP:V rather than opinion. Thank you for your polite note and you have a nice day too. RashersTierney (talk) 20:20, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Non-NPOV edits to Ireland

Well done in reverting all of those. I have requested the page be protected. -- RA (talk) 17:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

St Joseph's Industrial School, Tralee

There's now an article on this particular place. There was a death of a boy there, named in the Ryan Commission report as "Robert Moore", though his real name seems to be Joseph Pyke.[1], [2] Do you think mentioning the deceaseds' real name would be a breach of privacy or a breach of WP:SYNTH?Autarch (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long to reply. I've been away from Wikiland for the past few days. As I understand how the Ryan enquiry dealt with the names of children and others, the policy seems to have been to use pseudo-names in all cases in order to advance their work. (I am sure you are more informed than I on this point). I can see no problem about using the reported name "Robert Moore", and the actual name, Joseph Pyke, as you have done here. Perhaps a brief explanation that the real identities of the boys were not used by Ryan (with ref.). I don't see any issues re. WP:OR or privacy (we are not constrained as was Ryan in this regard) so long as the issue of the 2 names is ref'd. Great work. Keep it up. RashersTierney (talk) 21:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Have done so and added a reference to Peter Tyrrell about the pseudonyms (mentioned but not referenced). Thanks!Autarch (talk) 22:13, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

We spoke before regarding Peter Tyrrell's burial place. I was at the West Hampstead Cemetery recently doing some research on another forgotten Irish figure, but I'm sorry to say did not think to include Peter in my enquiries. Have you found anything more about his burial place? RashersTierney (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Sadly no - very busy with work. I think I mentioned finding what seemed to be his family in the 1911 census a while back. I hope to find out more though when I get the time.Autarch (talk) 23:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Geographical coordinates

Welcome. Let me know what you want to learn and/or how I might help you. --Stepheng3 (talk) 01:42, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for welcome. Will have to do a bit more homework at the Project pages before I can ask specific questions. Appreciate the offer. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 01:49, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Ireland and User:86.41.66.254

I think the editor in question was querying this edit - I've outlined justifications for not deleting the entries at User talk:86.41.66.254. Perhaps User:86.41.66.254 wanted references on all the people in question. Probably a difference in approach to editing, as User:86.41.66.254 seems to have started editing from that account today and may want things held to a higher standard before being included. Hopefully any misunderstandings will be sorted out.Autarch (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I've used this source to ref all the individuals concerned. I still don't see why they would be considered controversial. Anyway, that should suffice for purposes of BLPs. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 22:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Romanipen

No problem. I replaced the tag at your request. —Sandahl (♀) 22:01, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. RashersTierney (talk) 22:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Passport split

With respect to this, can you fix the link so that it points to the actual discussion? Thanks. Guettarda (talk) 02:33, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. RashersTierney (talk) 10:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Romanis' project

Hi, I've joined the project as you suggested. At some point soon, I hope to expand the Porajmos article in line with what's on the German Wikipedia. I can read German quite well so I should have no problems, but the article is long and I need more time to see what's different. Epa101 (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Welcome aboard! The project sorely needs to expand. You might consider applying the userbox

This user is a member of WikiProject Romani people.

at your User Page. Expansion of articles from the German sister project is an excellent proposal. Good luck and keep in touch. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 23:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I thought you might be interested to know that this document is what I'm looking at adding to the Porajmos article. How's your German? In the German Wikipedia, it says that this report argues that Romanis were persecuted even more intensely than Jews during the Holocaust. I plan to work through it, but it is 102 pages long, and I'm going away next week on holiday, so it might be a few weeks before I digest it. I'll add that userbox to my page. Epa101 (talk) 10:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for late reply and also for having to admit my German extends no further than ordering a packet of cigarettes (when I still did that sort of thing) and saying 'thank you' for same. I'll certainly follow your efforts with interest. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 23:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

world passport

March 19, 2010: again and again: Just wondering what the reasoning is behind deleting the link to www.worldpassport.tk from the page titled "world passport" on wikipedia? As far as I can tell, a world passport is not an internationally recognised official document and therefore the 'title and concept' cannot be claimed by any one individual nor organisation. A World Passport remains a conceptual idea.

While I have read the wikipedia guidelines and I understand that it is not a publisher of individual thought, I am then confused as to why the World Service Authority can voice their philosophical viewpoint and mislead potential readers/purchasers into believing in the power of a document that does not give any true identity nor real access at worldwide borders. (except of course in a couple of extremely rare, or "case-by-case" as they would like to put it, circumstances).

You could also argue that the www.worldpassport.tk link leads to a website, but it was placed in the same external link section as the link to the World Service Authority. While the artist's website only requires thoughtful discussion, which generates a world-wide point of view on the ideology behind the concept of a world passport, the World Service Authority charges a fee for all their so-called "world-wide" documents: World Citizen Card: registration fee is $30 plus $30 annual assessment. World Passort: 3 years: $45. 5 years: $75 8 years: $100. World Donor Passport: with special cover added is issued gratis to contributors for $400 or more to the World Refugee Fund. (btw: connected directly to the World Service Authority) World Identity Card: $20 World Birth Certificate: $20 World Marriage Certificate (only for registered World Citizens): $30. For the World Political Asylum Card (only for registered World Citizens): $10. For the World Press Card (only for members of the World Media Association): $30 (2 year membership fee). Shipping and handling fees are extra (of course!)

Now if one would want to get pedantic about the interpretation of what is and what isn't encyclopaedic content, then I really have to argue that while the World Service Authority appears to have an official website and official authority it is no more than a scam to take money out of the hands of the desperate. And if there is anyone that knows about how desperate they are, it is myself. I have read and answered so many requests from those who actually believe that there is the possibility of buying your way out of an impossible situation.

So, if you delete the link www.worldpassport .tk, then the World Service Authority link should be removed as well. It is only a wonderful concept put into the hands of a true misleader, and personally I believe, all information about this organisation should be taken from wikipedia. It only gives it a more "true" status.

Voicing an artists' view, equal rights of discussion and thought and speaking up for those without the freedom to travel thoughout our world.

Wikipedia, please be consistent, but most of all be responsible!

Kind regards

Sonya Spry www.tour.tk | what a wonderful world tour | travelling the world on bicycle since 2006 www.sonali.tk | justifiable web design www.underthesamesky.net | an artist's take on art www.worldpassport.tk | an artist's view on the topic of the world passport —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.134.26.152 (talk) 15:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

These are clearly separate topics and should not be conflated within one. I cannot say if the subject of your edits merits its own article, but it may well do. In that case it could possibly be argued as to which is the primary topic or if indeed either one can be considered 'primary'. The purpose of an article name in Wikipedia is simply to help readers reach the particular topic of interest to them. If you feel that the content requires improvement (as undoubtedly most do) please read the links I provided at your IP Talk and help in the project. Reverting, particularly from alternate accounts,, is not likely to have the effect you wish. Also worth considering is registration of a User Name for the reasons I gave. Good luck and if I can be of help, don't hesitate to contact. Specific concerns may be raised at the article Talk Page for the opinion of a wider interested audience of editors. Please also be aware of WP:3RR RashersTierney (talk) 16:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

What is a World Passport?

Over the last year and a half, I don't know how many times I have had to argue my point here. One editor feels I am within "right" and then the next not, to have my link http://www.worldpassport.tk and description of the "world passport project" under the world passport page of Wikipedia.

My reasoning is: If World Passport Authority can link under this topic, then so can anyone who issues world passports under whatever premise they wish: Be it pseudo-official; art-based or concrete philosophical discussion.

Just because the word "authority" is in World Passport Authority's title doesn't mean they are a real authority. Just because the booklet that they issue, looks like an official document doesn't mean it is. They scam people to pay an amount of money for something that doesn't actually exist. More details are seen below in my last discussion on this page.

A World Passport is a conceptual idea and doesn't belong to any one organisation. FYI: Another artist who discusses this is Tom Muller: http://www.galeriedusseldorf.com.au/GDArtists/Mueller/TMHomoGlobus02.html. And therefore I and anyone else should also be able to link information about this concept too. In my case, the two websites are about the same issue: a world passport. The only difference is that I, Sonya Spry; have a completely different view about how to bring the concept and topic of a world passport to the forefront than the founder of http://www.worldservice.org, Garry Davis. World Passport Authority already has a page to itself, since it is a business. It cannot however, have "sole ownership" to the concept of nor the word: world passport. Tourdottk (talk) 17:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.134.34.11 (talk)

Licencing

Thanks for the help. Hopefully that's sorted it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. RashersTierney (talk) 01:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Experienced?

Am I right in thinking you're pretty experienced at ascertaining if socking is going on? --HighKing (talk) 16:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I've participated in a number of cases before. More tenacious rather than particularly 'experienced'. Some specific issue on your mind? RashersTierney (talk) 18:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps.... I might email you if you're set up for that? --HighKing (talk) 23:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Or you can email me... --HighKing (talk) 23:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

It will probably seem odd, and no dis intended, but I intentionally haven't set up e-mail because of issues I have with back-channels. I may yet, but so far the open spaces appeal to me more. If I pick up on some odd editing in your general area I may chase the odd rabbit. Sorry I can't be more accommodating. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 23:47, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I understand. Cheers! --HighKing (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Thanks!!!

No problem, a pleasure. Reckon I can get it to "Thanks!!!!"? Kind regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 21:20, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Keep up the good work and I reckon you just might!!!! RashersTierney (talk) 21:23, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Done and dusted

Not sure how to interpret this edit summary but I thought I'd let you know that I had already finished with the thread. :) Jack forbes (talk) 22:04, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Just thought we were both on the point of getting our respective asses kicked for wandering 'off topic'. Less for your benefit than 'the watchers'. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 22:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Getting our asses kicked by the watchers seems kind of sinister to me. Sounds as though it should be avoided. Oh, and I sure am glad you changed that last word! ;) Jack forbes (talk) 22:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi

I noticed that you posted about HarveyCarter on Talk:Mel Gibson. I hadn't seen your name before but thought I'd ask. Do I know you or have we worked on the HC things in the past? Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't recall that we've met before. Some odd editing recently in this dynamic range caught my interest, so I looked a little closer. (Basically followed the breadcrumbs!) Best. RashersTierney (talk) 20:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

sock

I am lazy tonight to report him, but I have tagged him and a checkuser or NW has been involved, he does need removing, just revert and warn and report is another option, tiresome. Off2riorob (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

They've just been blocked for a week. How long, I wonder, before we see the next 92.xx.xx.xxx pop up? Best. RashersTierney (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

ec..He's gone, that was easy, best regards. Off2riorob (talk) 20:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Porajmos

That's a good idea. I've changed it now. Epa101 (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Camera

Are there any more of those knock-down price Canon cameras knocking about in Dublin? I'm on the lookout for a replacement for my broken camera. Hohenloh ⁺ 14:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Got it in Clonmel I'm afraid, and it was a display remainder. There's a place on Sth. Gt. George's St. that has a good reputation for second-hand cameras. Was on the point of getting a DSLR there before opting for the compact. Still in two minds about that decision. RashersTierney (talk) 16:12, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I know the place in George's St. and will call by. Hohenloh ⁺ 14:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Andreas Schmidt

Hi! I have a question: is Andreas Schmidt the left or the right person in this image? Best regards, --Olahus (talk) 20:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Olahus. Leave it with me a little longer and I'll try to ascertain. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi again. I've tried the usual methods to find an alternative image for Schmidt and must admit to coming up empty-handed. The text I added to the image was based on the English translation of the original title that accompanied the image "Rumänien (Bukarest).- Land und Leute, Politische Leiter der NSDAP kaufen Blumensträuße von 2 Blumenverkäuferinnen (Roma/Sinti)" and the date of 1941. However, as the source points out, the image titles may not in all cases be considered reliable, so perhaps until someone else can confirm or correct the identities it might be best to simply apply the title as given in quotes, without elaboration. I will change it accordingly unless you have managed to find out additional info. in the meantime, or have another suggestion. What do you think? RashersTierney (talk) 09:35, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Until we find out who is Andreas Schmidt, I would remove the mention about him from the article Roma in Romania. In the German wiki there is an article about Andreas Schmidt and I will contact the author(s) of the article. Maybe they know the answer. Best regards,--Olahus (talk) 09:57, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Thats fine by me. Good luck. By-the-way, Google translation does a pretty good rendition of the German Wiki article on SchmidtRashersTierney (talk) 10:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Located possible source. Perhaps you or User: El bes may be able to access it (if you would be so good as to let him know). Foto: Volksgruppenführer Andres Schmidt und der Führer der Einsatzstaffel Erich Müller (see top of p 37). Hope this is of use, I'm depending on 'bots' for my German translation. RashersTierney (talk) 12:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

There is no photo in this PDF! And also none of the descriptions of the missing photos is matching the one which is on Commons. Sorry, but this does not help us at all. And please don't use bots to alter user discussion pages. If you really want to communicate in languages that you are not able to speak, use Google language tools for viewing, but do not translate permanently what has been written there. --El bes (talk) 04:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, my sincere apologies again for the unintended impact at your page, (having initially not noticed the error, my clumsy efforts to 'fix' things just seemed to make matters worse). On the question of the photo, my understanding was not that the PDF contained a photo, but gave a locatable reference to one. If this is not the case, then all I can say is sorry for wasting your time. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 08:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem. It is really strange, that there is not even one photo of him to find somewhere in the net. Give me a notice if you find some new hint. --El bes (talk) 09:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding. I'm afraid I'm pretty much out of leads, but if something comes up in the future I'll drop you a (less dramatic) note :- ) RashersTierney (talk) 09:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Not Fair

You know something, I'm all for moralists taking the moral high ground. But I've no sympathy for people who take the moral high ground AND squash dissent. If you've nothing constructive to add, say nothing. I don't know why you're ganging up on me with other Republican users of this site. 86.40.96.88 (talk) 11:21, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Please tone down your comments on the supposed motives of other editors. You have already been pointed to WP:NPA, yet continue in using Talk Pages and edit summaries to do just that. If, as an apparently new contributor to Wikipedia, you feel that an individual editor is harassing you, or that there is a conspiracy directed at you, then you may benefit from reading WP:WELCOME,WP:AGF,WP:CIVIL. If you still feel you are being unfairly treated you can seek an outside opinion at WP:RFC. You might also consider registering a User Name for the advantages outlined at WP:WHY. RashersTierney (talk) 12:51, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Its rather obvious that Hohlenhoh has it in for me and is willing to squash dissent at any and every opportunity. I would be civil if I was to receive teh same in return, don't be so hypocritical. Civility begats civility, when I'm treated like a black man in the deep south at the height of Jim Crow, expect some Black Power to fight back! 86.40.96.88 (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Please help...

Rashers, a new user with an axe to grind has made a mess of Norwegian and Swedish Travellers. Do you maybe have time to try to undo the damage? —Zalktis (talk) 16:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Spent some time trying to filter out the dross, but there was just too much plus copious WP:OR, so I reverted the lot. Also applied 2 requests for citations arising from prev. edit. Appears to me a case for WP:BOLD. Don't be afraid to revert poor consecutive edits if necessary, giving your reasons at edit summary or the Talk Page. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts! —Zalktis (talk) 11:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: dead links

thank you so much for informing me; i did not know of the tag and the policy. cheers, Maysara (talk) 18:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 19:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

AIV

Sure you've got the right person? 24.61.195.2 seems to be reverting vandalsim... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Check out the choice of words s/he uses with 'warnings' at Talk Pages and edit summaries. IPs are also entitled not to be attacked in this way. 22:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)RashersTierney (talk)

Appreciate the gift

I'm a teetotaller (Baptist-turned-Quaker); but a nice cold Irn Bru is never amiss! --Orange Mike | Talk 12:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're very welcome. It was only one of those alco-free beers anyway :- ). Best. RashersTierney (talk) 12:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Please remove the words "convoluted logic" from the Michael Collins talk pge. It clearly refers to my post. I will not tolerate personal attacks.Malke2010 13:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry you see it that way. That is not my intention as I said in the edit summary. I do think much of the 'logic' of conflating Collins religion with his leadership role in the conflict and coming to the simplistic conclusion that the war was therefore religious in nature is convoluted to put it mildly. You are of coarse free to disagree. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 14:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I have asked you several times to remove the personal attack. I am asking you again. If you don't I shall take this to the appropriate noticeboard. Thank you.Malke2010 14:21, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I have changed the edit twice in an attempt to reassure you that my comment is not intended as a personal attack. You might reciprocate in assuming good faith. I have no wish to become embroiled in an issue that began between you and another editor but I will not be intimidated from making legitimate comment at Talk Pages on a subject where I have a track record of constructive contributions. RashersTierney (talk) 14:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

You are characterizing me as having "convoluted logic." That is a personal attack. Please remove the words. Thanks you.Malke2010 14:43, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I am 'characterising' the proposition and the arguments put forward in its support, by you and others, as adding 2 and 2 and getting 22. That is all. Now please drop it. RashersTierney (talk) 14:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Please remove the words, 'convoluted logic.' Thank youMalke2010 15:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I do not think repeating this demand in a mantra-like fashion as if everything I said here means nothing is being particularly constructive. If an apology for any unintended offense would make a difference, then you may have it and welcome, but I would appreciate it if you would stop now. RashersTierney (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Please delete the words, 'convoluted logic.' There has already been scathing personal attacks directed at me by another from that article. It matters that the talk page should be kept free of abuse. My comments do not deserve to be characterized that way. Leaving those words there, where they clearly refer to me, is offensive and makes it appear that attacking Malke2010 is all right. Please remove the words. Thank you.Malke2010 15:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

This is getting out of hand. The offending comment has been refactored (and deleted) at your request in the spirit of de-escalation. Your behavior, on the other hand is bordering on the disruptive, both here and at that discussion. Please do not post here again on this topic. I have already asked you repeatedly to stop. RashersTierney (talk) 16:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I accepted the legitimacy of your initial observation and struck through my inappropriate comment. That generally indicates a withdrawal while allowing others to see the history. The strike-through was obviously seen by you as an ongoing irritant so I removed it at your request. What you now appear to want is editorial control over my legitimate posts. Not on your nellie! RashersTierney (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)