User talk:Ramy5077

Resolved ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 2020

We do not delete user talk pages. I can courtesy blank instead. Thanks, --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This page has been blanked as a courtesy.

I would kindly ask from you for user ToBeFree to unblock me

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Ramy5077 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am sorry, I understood that I was disrupting other users, It was not my intention to do so, I am sorry and I promise I won't do that again. I should have not done this from the start, but I have learned my lesson, and I am sorry and I apologize, and I promise, I won't do that again. Please consider this a warning to me, as I would want to apologize to all the users I have threatened them. I hope you can give me the chance. I will certainly take this as a lesson. I promise, I will never do it again. Thank you. Ramy5077 (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

Hi Ramy5077, thank you for the request. You have now been unblocked, but this comes with a few expectations. See below (Special:Diff/987249612) for chronological order. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to apologize especially to the user Alexandermcnabb for my aggressive behavior towards him, I am sorry. I would never do this again. I promise. I feel bad. I did not expect to come this far. Ramy5077 (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deepfriedokra Please send my apology to the user Alexandermcnabb for acting so badly. I promise I will not do it again. Ramy5077 (talk) 19:12, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ramy5077,

Thank you very much for taking the time to apologize and to request an unblock.

"Indefinite" is not meant to say "forever"; it just a way to ensure that proper discussion about the behavior happens before an unblock.

The block has been described as a "pretty serious overreaction" and I do not object to anyone undoing my decision.

However, I personally am skeptical about the sudden change of mind; a tendency to attack helping editors with threats does probably not disappear within 10 minutes. I believe that, at least 24 hours after reading this message, the request needs to be calmly re-written to include the following information:

Are there more users than just Alexandermcnabb who might have been intimidated by the behavior? Who and why?
There have been at least three separate threats:
- One about never stopping to do something (hint: WP:EW),
- one very specifically threatening to do something clearly prohibited (hint: WP:SOCK),
- one that seems to have intentionally intimidated users by vaguely implying a danger of some sort, perhaps even of personal harm (hint: WP:HA, WP:NPA)

What had you been threatening to do, and why can we be sure that you won't do it?

Would you agree to try avoiding the entire area of conflict? There are so many topics on Wikipedia; perhaps there are other topics that are less enraging. And, after the apologies to the threatened users, would you agree to try avoiding interaction with them in the future? There are so many people on Wikipedia; there is often no need to cross paths with people you don't like.

As a word of caution in advance, please remember that unblock requests are about your behavior, not the behavior of others: I'm not saying that everyone else did the right thing. The behavior of the other editors may have been problematic as well, but the unblock request is not a good place to complain about this.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ~ ToBeFree;

I would like to thank you for responding to my request.

Sure, I admit that I was acting very bad, I was behaving erratically to the user, which eventually I felt awful of doing this. Initially, when I was editing a page, I did not log in. I admit that. I am supposed to log in each time I edit a page. But despite I was editing a webpage, and my edits were reverted by the user Alexandermcnabb, as I keep re-reverting my edits and Alexandermcnabb reverts back. Ok he may be wrong but that doesn't mean I have to rage at him which I did. And I went to his talkpage and threatened him. That made me upset and frustrating that I have started for a moment as I began swearing at him which I am not supposed to do, and due to my ultimate anger I lately wrote a "threatening" email, a few minutes before I was blocked to Alexandermcnabb and one more user, forgot his name. Then I got blocked.

Again, I was not "intended" to do this, and once again I apologize for my erratic behavior of mine, and I promise I will never do this again. I will definitely take that as a lesson.

Yes I agree and I will try my best to avoid the entire area of conflict. and yes I would definitely agree to try avoiding interaction with them in the future. Now I am not expecting to be unblocked, but if I were, I know I am not supposed to interact with the users I have threatened them but I would kindly ask you from your permission, Would it be better and more respectful if go to Alexandermcnabb and apologize to him? from brother to brother, because honestly, I felt terrible having done this.

I know I have responded early, but I hope you understood the case, and I appreciate your understanding. Thank you Ramy5077 (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the honest and calm response, Ramy5077 – I'm pretty sure that there will be an unblock, but a few questions remain, and this might have been written too early. I'll have a look again tomorrow or at the weekend, and I'll be reachable for questions. Take your time, do feel free to ask if anything is unclear. For example, you might wonder who you have specifically contacted in the past. The answer can be found at Special:Contributions/Ramy5077. I think it's a good sign that you forgot their name, but please do take the time to have a look at these contributions again.

When you write about a "'threatening' email", do you actually mean a private email, or a public talk page message on Wikipedia? Because both is possible, and I'm not sure if you mean "email" or "talk page message". Or perhaps "edit summary"?

There is no time limit for writing an unblock request. Please don't rush this: If you're more comfortable doing this in a month, do take your time. Wikipedia will still be there, and the community is generally very welcoming and open for a second chance. No block has to be forever. If the reviewing administrator can be sure that the problem doesn't occur again, the block will very likely be removed.

Thanks again and best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PS, regarding apologies, of course you are allowed and welcome to apologize to the users at any time. I'm sure noone objects to such an apology. And you are not required to apologize; theoretically it is perfectly fine just to make clear that no attacks will happen in the future. You are not prohibited from contacting anyone, I was just suggesting that this might be a good idea to prevent trouble in the future. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ~ ToBeFree;

Thank you for your response. No I was sending a threatening quote to the talk page for Alexandermcnabb. Initially, when I was editing a page in Abu Dhabi regarding the climate, I was not logged in. I rephrased one sentence, without disrupting Wikipedia. I thought it would be meaningless putting a source because it is the same meaning, except changing the sentence: The months of June through September are generally extremely hot and humid with maximum temperatures averaging above 41 °C (106 °F). to The summer months, June to September are generally extremely hot and humid with maximum temperatures averaging above 40 °C (104 °F).

The user first started reverting my edits, telling me that I was putting wrong information, which I have barely done anything, but modified the sentence to match the climate data graph, since the maximum temperatures averaging below 41 °C (106 °F) in June and September. At first, I told him that I just changed it by only 1 °C. It is not gonna make a huge difference. He disagreed and told me, no this information is false, please do not provide false information, which I haven't. If I have changed it let's say to 38 °C (100 °F), then he is absolutely right. But nevertheless, I got angry at him. I started raging, went to his talk page unsigned, and started swearing at him.

The next day, this time being logged in. I added a source, but again, him, and another user named Praxidicae who also reverted my edits, telling me the about the same message as Alexandermcnabb did, that not to constantly re-revert the edits. So I became even more frustrated. I reverted my edits, then I re-reverted my own edits, and commenting on my edit summary box a threatening text towards Praxidicae and Alexandermcnabb, and then going to Alexandermcnabb's talk page, and I wrote another threatening message to him. Praxidicae told me that to go check the warnings in my talk page.

I was so angry that I was planning to block both users in some ways. And then many other users are warning me that due to my constant reverting edits and changes, and by threatening other users I would be blocked indefinitely. Finally, you came along and blocked me indefinitely. At this point, I realized that I have crossed the line, and suddenly I felt bad doing this so I have started apologizing.

Now I am taking this as a lesson, not to write threatening words to the user, even if the user is mistaken, that does not mean I have to rage at him.

That is all what I have got for now. My goal is to apologize to both users Alexandermcnabb and Praxidicae and move on. And regarding the page Abu Dhabi. I will no longer make any changes to the page, whether correct information or wrong information, it doesn't matter anymore, since I don't want to fall into trouble again.

Once again Thank you Ramy5077 (talk) 05:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ramy5077, regarding the content issue, I guess Alexandermcnabb's point was "(40.8+42.1+42.9+40.4)/4 is larger than 41", while yours was "40.8 and 40.4 are both smaller than 41". A mathematical dispute escalated to personal attacks, threats and an indefinite block. None of these were necessary, perhaps.

You are unblocked with the following expectations:

Never editing while logged out in the future, even if you consider the situation to be uncontroversial. 2001:8F8:172D:EB5C:0:0:0:0/64 has been blocked for a month to prevent accidental logged-out editing, but this expectation is not limited to a month.
Not attacking nor threatening other editors ever again.
Discussing on the talk page (WP:BRD) or disengaging from the conflict when one of your edits is reverted. Not restoring reverted changes without discussion.
Remaining civil and talking about content instead of people during such discussions.
Trying to understand concerns raised about your edits even if you currently disagree with them. Are you surprised by the mathematical explanation above? Then please assume good faith next time: The person you're disagreeing with probably has a point, in some way, even if they don't take the time to explain it.
Avoiding topics and users that make you angry.

If you wonder what to do next, the community portal and the Task Center are full of ideas.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ~ ToBeFree

I can't thank you enough of what you did. Yes obviously I will act more civil, and I would definitely consider all those that you have mentioned. I would surely go through these links that you have provided me to avoid falling into trouble in the future. Regarding Alexandermcnabb's point, according to what you are saying, mathematically, it makes more sense rather than being called that I am wrong, despite the weather in Abu Dhabi in June is pretty similar to May, but again, I will not do anymore edits, even if it is right.

I have learned my lesson, I will behave myself, and relax, instead of threatening people with my messages. I will concentrate more on the content, if I need to add more sources, or anything, and if the user who reverted my edits, is still unstatisfied. In Arabic we say "Khalli Walli" meaning let it go. I and another user pretty sure we have more important things to do rather than just arguing and threatening each other, putting ourselves into trouble.

Again thank you so much ~ ToBeFree and I feel really sorry again to what I have done to my actions.

With my best regards Ramy5077 (talk) 09:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back; feel free to remove any messages from this page (WP:OWNTALK). ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back

Here's wishing you a belated welcome back to Wikipedia, Ramy5077. You've already been around a while and I wanted to thank you for your contributions before the dispute. Though you have been successful in finding your way around, you may still enjoy some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:

I hope you normally enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian. Again, welcome back. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much ~ ToBeFree, honestly I am feeling a little emotional writing this while tearing up.

Yes, thank you I would rather have some cookies, would you like to have some with me? Ramy5077 (talk) 09:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. And of course.

~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:38, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

January 2021

Hello, I'm Hayman30. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Shape of You, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Hayman30 (talk) 15:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Hayman30; before telling me that I did not add reliable source, why did you change the page by adding content in an article, Shape of You by adding

| studio =

Rokstone (London)
Gingerbread Man (Suffolk and London)

Without citing your sources? And originally the year recorded was initially there a long time ago, until you on 2nd January 2021, did some changes.

Thank you Ramy5077 (talk) 18:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You need to get your facts straight: the studios weren’t added by me, and they’re reliably sourced in the “credits and personnel” section. The recording year is not sourced anywhere on the page. And just because it’s been there for a long time doesn’t mean it automatically becomes fact or is somehow exempt from WP:V–all material on Wikipedia should be supported by reliable sources. Hayman30 (talk) 18:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Say this to yourself first of all before comming to me and giving me this excuse. I have now added a source linking to a web proving that he had worked on the ÷ album in 2016 itself. That means all his music including Shape of You was created in 2016. Ramy5077 (talk) 18:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and by the way, if you are semi-retired, why are you even on Wikipedia then? Ramy5077 (talk) 18:29, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t know what your deal is, but you need to calm down, stop edit warring, and refrain from making personal attacks. I didn’t give any “excuse”–you falsely accused me of adding unsourced material, and you used that to justify your own unsourced edits. The source you provided, which has its reliability disputed, does not directly attribute a recording year to “Shape of You”. It merely states that Sheeran took a hiatus in 2016 to work on the album, that doesn’t automatically mean the song itself was recorded in 2016. The wording does not necessarily imply that the album was finished within 2016. He could’ve started before 2016, and/or finished after 2016. You cannot present your assumptions as fact. Hayman30 (talk) 18:52, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Shape of You; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Hayman30 (talk) 18:52, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Expectations currently not met

Hi Ramy5077, I did not yet look at the content of this dispute. All I have seen so far is the discussion between Hayman30 and you. I'm a bit disappointed by the discussion. Please have a look at the unblock expectations again. Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I am sorry, I will not bother talk to him anymore. Ramy5077 (talk) 19:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Not talking to someone anymore can be a solution, but only if you also avoid editing the same articles as them. As soon as there's a conflict, refusing to talk to the disagreeing editor can quickly become disruptive. The better alternative would be waiting 24 hours, writing a short but honest apology after at least these 24 hours and actually disengaging from the conflict. If the apology is genuine and accepted, there's likely no need to avoid further interaction per se. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I just find this user a bit disrespective, I am trying to keep my cool down and not to burst out like what I did with the other users the last time as I promised. I cannot apologize to this user, since he upsetted me with his mean behavior. The only solution is to not talk to him anymore, and not do edit war. Let him do whatever he wants. I don't want to be blocked again because of him.

Thank you for alerting me again. Ramy5077 (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]