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February 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Nickel (United States coin), did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ChrisHodgesUK (talk) 19:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

On further inspection, I shouldn't have given you this warning, I apologise. ChrisHodgesUK (talk) 18:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just trying to help others out like others helped me.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

It's well deserved! I don't think I need to tell you that many Wikipedia administrators are only out to show you what you're doing wrong without telling you how to do it right. It's good that there are administrators out there like yourself that really want to do their best to help others understand how Wikipedia works.-RHM22 (talk) 01:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Well ... thanks. I'm just a content contributor who was dragooned to run for admin, and should have known better.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Also thanks for the support on the article. Your comments were fine, don't worry.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem. The article was nicely done. I was just careful with my comments because I didn't want to seem like I was coming in and trying to tell everyone what to do.-RHM22 (talk) 15:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Buffalo nickel is next and I hope to finish it today. I was thinking that Shooting thaler might be developable into a Featured list. Are you sure you've exhausted the references on the subject?--Wehwalt (talk) 15:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I've used all the English references that I have. I'll do a google book search for some more information as you suggested earlier. I also have a reference book in German that I can try and translate, but I don't think there's a lot of useful information in there. I'll give a check and get back to you on both.-RHM22 (talk) 16:01, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I found a book on Google Books that has line drawings of all three Cantonal shooting thalers. The book is from 1878, so it should be in the public domain. Do you think it's acceptable for me to copy the images from the book and upload them to Commons?-RHM22 (talk) 16:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes!--Wehwalt (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I've added the new images to the article. I couldn't find any usable information beside those on Google Books, so I'll check in Schützentaler und Schützenmedaillen der Schweiz for more information. So far, I've only used that book for mintage figures and engravers. Maybe there's some good information in the book. What do you think of the line drawings? My only concern is that they look kind of ugly next to the photographs.-RHM22 (talk) 18:07, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an imperfect science. They will do fine. I hope to go to the ANA's museum and library in late January, perhaps I can come up with something.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

That's very possible. I've heard great things about the Money Museum, though I've never been there. The Smithsonian in Washington D.C. has an incredible numismatic collection also. They have an example of all of the great U.S. rarities. They even have some that are unique to that institution. I've always wanted to visit both places some day.-RHM22 (talk) 18:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I saw the Smithsonian display as a child. I live only 25 kilometres from there, and a Metro stop is 3 km north of me. I need to go back sometime.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Blue Rose

Hi RHM22. I noticed you added some nintendo games to the Blue Rose article. The contemporary culture section used to contain a long list of examples which mentioned Blue Roses [1]. I know some people find these lists interesting, but there really should be a secondary source to say why it is relevent to the article. I think a game reveiw mentioning the Blue Rose would be enough. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello Aircorn and thanks for the helpful message. I know how important properly sourced articles are to Wikipedia. I've edited the article to include a reference for the piece of information that I've added. It's not a review, but it's a reliable website so I think it should be ok. Please let me know if you think that the source isn't valid and I'll be glad to find a new one. Have a nice evening!-RHM22 (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for taking the time to find that source. As far as I know linking to other Wikis is discouraged as they are not considered reliable. However I am not contesting whether Blue Roses are used in the game, but whether their use is important enough to include in the article. For example, we could write in the Jumping article a popular culture section listing all the platform games that involve jumping as well as lots of other trivia. This Xkcd comic might show it better. Thats why many articles don't have a in contempory culture section. Blue rose is justified to have one (again in my opinion) due to it being regarded as a symbol for the unatainable and a few examples are appropriate. Ideally that example would come from a well known book/movie/game and include a source saying what the Blue Rose symbolised or why it was used. As their are no other video game examples and The Simpsons\Thief of Baghdad examples suffer from the same problem I will rewrite the last sentance to include your example. If you think this should be done differently I started a discussion here before I cut the original list where it might be better to come to an agreement. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 04:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello again! I see what you mean about the purpose of the article. I misunderstood the intention of the contemporary culture section. I'll go ahead and remove that tidbit. I agree that it's probably irrelevant to the overall structure of the article.

On another note, however, I don't know what the Thief of Baghdad is, but I believe that the Simpsons reference is valid. I don't know if you watch the show, but I've seen that episode. In it, the Simpsons are planning a second wedding, which leads Marge to become a Bridezilla. In the course of planning, she enters a florist in order to purchase flowers for the event. One of her requests is for blue roses on the tables. The florist tells her that blue roses don't exist, which angers her. Later, when the wedding is finally accomplished, there are blue roses on the table. The florist says that he had to perform genetic engineering on them, at which point they snap and hiss and Marge. I imagine that this would probably go with the theme of unattainability. I can probably find a reference for that, but I can't make any guarantees because many reviewers don't mention minor plot points. (forgot to sign post)-RHM22 (talk) 13:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I have never seen the Thief of Baghdad either. I wasn't sure at the time whether it should be in there or not, but felt a little guilty about deleting so much information. Looking at its Wikipedia article it does not seem particularity relevant and could probably be removed. I did a google search for all the items listed before removing them and only turned up suitable sources for a couple of the books. Unfortunately these two reviews [2] [3] don't mention blue roses at all. By the way, the use of the Blue Rose does not have to necessarily mean unattainable, as long as it has a meaning. AIRcorn (talk) 11:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, the blue rose isn't important to game play in any AC game. It's just kind of an extra that you can get if you want it. By the way, any idea which Thief of Baghdad that's referring to? I only knew of the silent movie, but I did a Wikipedia search and there are apparently two others.-RHM22 (talk) 13:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. I just checked, and the 1940 film is the only one that mentions the blue rose. The article on the 1924 film doesn't have a lot of plot information, so it might be in that one too.-RHM22 (talk) 15:34, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Buffalo dollar

Thanks for the corrections and improvements. You need a more specific source (the exact page) for the Buffalo dollar image.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Sorry about leaving out the source information! I'll fix that now.-RHM22 (talk) 22:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

You learn to start anticipating the objections they will make at FAC, and images is always something very picky.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, they're always very careful about images here. It is understandable, because Wikipedia could probably be sued if copyrighted images are used without permission. I've edited the image to include the correct source link.-RHM22 (talk) 23:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Peace dollar will probably be the next coin article. I own one, in case the existing images are dodgy (I think they are OK, with a little help from the same uploading editor as with Buffalo nickel). Eventually, I'd like to do all the coins of the 1907-1921 Great Redesign and make it a featured topic. That would be eight or nine articles (it might not be necessary to have separate articles for the Indian Head quarter and half eagles). Burdette's books on this subject are very, very helpful indeed. That would leave the three 1916 silver coins, the eagle, and the small gold coins still to do. I might not get to the dollar for a couple of weeks.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:35, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea. Which books did Burdette publish? I don't have many specific titles like that about U.S. coins. I've heard that the books titled something like The Coinage Renaissance are really good, but I don't have them. I do have an older copy of VAM (Van Allen & Miller) that gives a lot of information about the Morgan and Peace dollars. Let me know if you need any information from the book for your upcoming article.-RHM22 (talk) 11:22, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Burdette wrote a very nice trilogy about the 1907-1921 redesign of the coinage. I rely on him heavily, he tends to be more accurate than other writers, and he delivers excellent quotations from people like Barber What I would suggest is let me write, then if you see gaps or errors, fill i with VAM.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. The VAM book doesn't anywhere near as much information as the Coinage Renaissance series, so there's probably not too much that you won't already have as far as history. I imagine VAM probably covers some of the more technical areas that Burdette may not.-RHM22 (talk) 22:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. Once the coin's out, Burdette doesn't have a lot to say about it.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:18, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of Peace dollars, did you hear about Daniel Carr's 1964 Peace dollar replicas? They're not marked "COPY". Apparently he gets away with it because they're actually struck over a regular Peace dollar.-RHM22 (talk) 22:40, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Very clever, that. I like that web site. Tempted to buy one of those dollars, it would totally freak out my nephew, who is 9 and collects coins, and it would make a great illustration for the article.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

That's true. It would definitely be as close as anyone will probably ever get to a photo of a real 1964 dollar. I believe that Carr was also planning a 2009 proof Silver Eagle, but I don't know if that's still in the works or not.-RHM22 (talk) 23:33, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I've gotten some refs together on Maundy money even though I can't find my copy of Seaby's (it's ten years old, but probably has useful info). I just got home and am fairly tired after having driven quite a bit the last five days (I think about 1,700 miles all told) and probably won't do very much tonight. I've gotten interested, and it will be a bit of a numismatic change of pace.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a very interesting project. I doubt I could be of much help due to my very limited resources on British coins, but let me know if there is any information that you might need.-RHM22 (talk) 22:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

By the way, do you think I should move some of the unrelated information from the shooting thaler page to my talk page?-RHM22 (talk) 22:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Why not put it in your sandbox?

Sounds like a good idea. Speaking of user pages, I'm thinking about creating an article with information about every early commemorative half dollar. I've begun work on it here. Obviously it's a long way from completion. Do you think this is a worthy task?-RHM22 (talk) 22:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I see there is a Bowers series book on early commemorative. Burdette discusses a few of them in his trilogy, so I will fill in a bit as you work. There is a desperate need for us to improve the coverage of numismatics. I can't think why it is in such poor shape when there are FAs on how individual cricketers performed in single Test series.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking that same thing before. I looked at the featured pictures section, and there's an entire section on fungi, yet there doesn't seem to be a single coin or paper money image. Sure, fungi are interesting and important, but do people really like them more than coins?-RHM22 (talk) 22:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I think there is something in the rules about not having coins, because the beauty is in the coin, not the photograph.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Even so, there are probably more featured articles about fungi than there are coins.-RHM22 (talk) 23:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, we shall have to do something about it, won't we?--Wehwalt (talk) 23:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully. If my shooting thaler article is approved, it'll be the first coin-related featured list since that Belgian Euro commemorative article, unless you count that one about the circulating currencies. I think the classic commemorative article might make featured after it's completed, especially with the assistance of Bobby. His photos are excellent.-RHM22 (talk) 00:09, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I am hopeful Bobby becomes involved in all of this, we could use his help. I went through hell to get images for Shield nickel and finally was able to get some from an authority in the field.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Penny's worth

Would you mind looking at the FAC for Lincoln cent again? A new reviewer is raising concerns. I've tried to address them, but it might be helpful if you could give your view on his statement that the article should be copyedited again.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I've gone through the article and fixed some minor things. I've also given my view on the editor's statement that collector-oriented information should not be included. I can't imagine that there could possibly be any more mistakes on it after all the once-overs it's gotten.-RHM22 (talk) 03:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I noticed the article was promoted. Nice work! I was looking through one of my books, and I found images of the plaster models of Brenner's original designs for the Lincoln cent. The reverse design with the walking Liberty figure is very impressive.-RHM22 (talk) 01:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, I just discovered that Don Norris of www.worldcoingallery.com apparently allows his images to be used on Wikipedia. Some of the images aren't owned by him, though, so it's probably a good idea to ask first.-RHM22 (talk) 02:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Of course, Brenner totally stole the Walking Liberty from Oscar Roty! That design is still on French euro coins, actually, but I didn't think it was necessary to mention that. I will look at that website. I plan to nom Buffalo nickel after the weekend unless I get some peer review comments.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

It is a very nice design. I wonder if Weinman stole the idea from Brenner who stole the idea from Roty.-RHM22 (talk) 14:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

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James Ross Snowden

As the file is on the Commons there are some different deletion templates, Speedy deletion. You should be able to use the speedydelete one giving the reason. ChiZeroOne (talk) 02:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added the template you suggested along with my reasoning. I apologize for my cluelessness. I'm not bad at regular Wikipedia, but Commons always confuses me.-RHM22 (talk) 02:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not that much more knowledgeable trust me! :-) For some reason many of the templates on Wikipedia's speedy deletion page do work on the Commons and appear correctly, but others do not. Perhaps you'll get an answer to that if you ask on the Media copyright questions page. The Commons speedydelete one should still be fine though. ChiZeroOne (talk) 02:28, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Nickel

Buffalo nickel is up at FAC. No comments yet.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:18, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Good! I left a comment on the FAC page. I think the buffalo nickel article is my favorite of your numismatic series so far. I had heard of the vending machine problem before I read it, but I didn't know it caused that long of a delay. Very interesting. I guess it's too late for a DYK on the article after your expansion of the article.-RHM22 (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I checked at the time, it wasn't a 5 x expansion, about 3 I think, and there's no point in stretching from that. How goes the featured list?--Wehwalt (talk) 02:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the praise on the Buffalo nickel FAC! It seems like the only thing that's up and coming this holiday season is my waistline, though! As for the shooting thaler FLC, it seems to going alright. At the very least, no one is opposing it, so it's in pretty good shape as far as I'm concerned! One of the reviewers said I should increase the size of the lead, which I'll begin doing tomorrow. There's not as much interest in FLs as there is for FAs, so it takes longer to get comments.-RHM22 (talk) 02:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Not a problem, it helps to become known at FAC. The type of article demanded a list, but I suspect you'll be doing FAs before long, as that is where the money is, so to speak. The opportunity to see your work on the main page, for one thing. I am finishing up other projects and waiting for the arrival of more sources before proceeding with Royal Maundy, after that I'll work on Peace Dollar. Oh, did you see the writeup of Lincoln cent in the Signpost? I liked it.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking that the early commemorative half dollar article might get FA. I know it has the layout of a list, but there should be considerably more prose than list in the article. I'm very curious to see what you do with peace dollar. That is one of my favorite coin designs. Will you be working on Standing liberty quarter also?-RHM22 (talk) 02:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

No, I didn't see that. I never read the Signpost before. I'll check it out now.-RHM22 (talk) 02:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

You can usually mold articles in certain directions. The Lincoln cent thing was really more the discussion of the picture, they caught a joke of mine, which is rare, I think I tend to shoot over people's heads. Don't know yet on the quarter, I may go back and finish the nickel series. I've got so many projects going on right now that it will probably be about one a month for coins.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:56, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the title was pretty funny on the Lincoln cent picture. I guess the people in line didn't have to worry about standing still for 30 seconds for the photo to develop!-RHM22 (talk) 03:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I understand that. I'm only doing a couple things a little at a time and it seems like a lot.-RHM22 (talk) 03:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Once you get some practice in, you'll be doing more stuff ... People are certainly aware of the camera in that shot. Perhaps an outdoors shot required less time holding still, especially if a sunny August day (I don't know how people survived wearing heavy clothes in summer and no air conditioning) ... for me, I would have wanted to be waiting in line in San Francisco!--Wehwalt (talk) 10:29, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, a $500 bank bag of the 1909-S VDB would have been a pretty smart purchase.-RHM22 (talk) 20:17, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd settle for fifty bucks. Or five. I'd even pay a nickel each for them.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:30, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd trade a bottle of C. Breckenridge Brand Medicated Bitters for one.-RHM22 (talk) 20:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Works for me. I got my 1964-D Peace dollar btw. Can you imagine transporting that back to 1968?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:56, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

How does your peace dollar look? Did you get the high grade or the regular uncirculated version? I think you might have been arrested with one of those back then.-RHM22 (talk) 21:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The regular, uncirculated. I see no traces of the underlying design. It looks much like an ordinary Peace dollar, but there are no bagmarks, such as you always see in silver dollars.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

That's amazing that he's allowed to do that. There might be an FBI raid like there was with the Sunshine Mint a couple of years ago.-RHM22 (talk) 22:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps the intentional die flaw on the reverse saves him from that.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:41, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

That could be.-RHM22 (talk) 22:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I will scan it and upload it when I do some other coins, perhaps this weekend. Maundy sets and whatnot.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm curious to see what it looks like! That image and the information should be a great accompaniment to the peace dollar article.-RHM22 (talk) 23:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, what stood out to me was the lack of bag marks as I said. We're all used to silver dollars having spent sixty years on bags getting thrown from side to side of the Treasury's vaults or years in a Vegas casino.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:35, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I decided to try and get my new article on the DYK page. I just finished one I was working on called Constance Ortmayer. The DYK is "...that Constance Ortmayer designed a commemorative coin (pictured) for the anniversary of an event that never happened?" Now I'll see what happens when they review it.-RHM22 (talk) 04:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Really, the check for DYK is not terribly extensive. I would not worry about it.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is your Peace dollar. I'll reopload it later, straightening it out.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's very realistic. That's definitely as close as anyone has ever gotten to a real one, marked "COPY" or not.-RHM22 (talk) 16:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

For sure. I've started to do some reading on Peace dollars, though I want to finish up some projects before starting that one.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:35, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a good idea not to get too burnt out on one subject.-RHM22 (talk) 03:15, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Constance Ortmayer

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DYK nomination of Anna Willess Williams

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DYK for Anna Willess Williams

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Talkback

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Morgan

I'll take a look at the article in a day or two and just run right through it. One thing I did notice, you should probably introduce the Barbers earlier in the story than you do. I probably won't be getting going on Peace dollar until early January, I'm taking a break from writing and just working on polishing and reviewing and all that good stuff until then.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:21, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I added Barber to the lead, but I'm not sure if I should work him in earlier in the body of the article or not. I know he was a very important figure during that time, but I'm not sure how to add him in since he doesn't really seem to be involved until he is asked to submit designs for the standard dollar. By the way, I found a book from 1913 on Google Books that has some great images of pattern coins. I added a few to the article. If you need any for upcoming articles, you should check there. Let me know if you're interested and I can supply a link.-RHM22 (talk) 01:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I used it for Shield nickel I think.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah! I didn't notice that before. That book is useful. Too bad it only goes up to 1913, though. I found a few photos of Peace dollar patterns and early sketches online, but I don't know if they're old enough to be PD.-RHM22 (talk) 17:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

TB: Shooting thaler

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DYK for Teresa de Francisci

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