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Speedy Deletion?

Someone who's been on a TV series, and is a member of the most popular professional cheer leading squad isn't even debatable for you, to be considered? That's ludicrous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trilateral comm (talk • contribs) 15:47, 12 September 2007

Which article are you referring to? Anyway, just place a {{hangon}} tag on the top of the page and explain your reasoning for keeping it on the talk page. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 15:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't leave those kinds of messages on my page

If you have something to say don't post robot talk because I will not bother to read it. --Kuzwa 19:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Look, I was just informing you that I tagged a page you made for deletion. I can't write a personal message to every creator of pages I tag for deletion; I'd never be able to keep up with the speed new pages are created at. Anyway, you won't get those kinds of messages if you follow Wikipedia policy for including pages. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 19:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Y did u delete my topic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icemayne16 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I tagged the page for deletion because it was essentially nonsense. An administrator saw the tag, reviewed the page, and deleted it according to policy. See the speedy deletion policy for details. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 01:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy

Placing a speedy tag on Desmond Hawkins seems altogether absurd to me, and I have declined it. Please read WP:CSD. Any assertion of importance is enough. The article asserts he wrote a Times Book of he week!--and a great deal else. And read WP:N--it seems also very probable that it would pass AfD. You are welcome to take it there of course, but I'd advise against it. DGG (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I also notice from your talk page you have previously deleted such pages as David Audretsch, the Director of an division of the Max Planck Society (and many other accomplishments), and that you answer all objections by telling the aggrieved authors to place hangon tags.

Now, I am somewhat of an inclusionist, and I would not think of even mentioning this here if they had been any sort of borderline case, or a matter where my judgment is challenged at Afd, but they are not. They are not even borderline for notability. But the standard for speedy-nn is not notability, but just the assertion of notability or importance. Obviously assertions of being the smartest kid in one's high school, dont count as good faith assertions, & I too speedy delete them without the least hesitation, but assertions of being a professor at a major university or writing a well-reviewed book are credible assertions. If you don't think such people notable, as is certainly your right, then the thing to do is to use WP:PROD or WP:AFD. DGG (talk) 22:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I noticed User:Pyrospirit/VandalismMistakes and I have real admiration for the open spirit in which your created it! I know from that, that you won't take my comments above as other than helpful suggestions. DGG (talk) 23:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I was tagging a large number of pages for deletion; Special:Newpages was being flooded, and I was trying to keep up with the backlog. I apologize for any mistakes I made in tagging pages, and I'll make sure to read through all pages more carefully in the future. Also, on reexamination of the pages you mentioned, I was indeed incorrect in tagging all 3 of this pages. I will admit to being a bit of a deletionist myself, but those pages certainly deserve to be included. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 01:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to note, however, that if you look through my contributions lately, you'll find that almost all pages I tagged, with few exceptions, were deleted. Managing the Newpage patrol almost completely on my own, as I've sometimes done recently, is no easy task, and some mistakes are inevitable. Of course, if I was an admin and actually deleting pages rather than just tagging them, I'd exercise more caution, but since I'm simply tagging the pages for deletion, I prefer to briefly check each newly created article rather than examining each in detail. Nonetheless, I still should have noticed the ones mentioned above. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 01:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Whats the point in deleting my article? is it not factual? Did it never happen?

Give me a break. Yan Pagh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yanpagh (talk • contribs) 19:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The articles didn't satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. See the speedy deletion criteria for details. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 00:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Show/HIde

See http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice. There might be something in the monobook.js or a similar page also. -- John Reaves 17:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher application

Dear Pyrospirit,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! Unfortunately, your application has been declined because I'm sorry but after extensively thinking on the matter, I'm a bit worried in several occasions you tagged articles as A7 even if they assert notability. Feel free to reapply in the future.

Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 18:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Since I wasn't sure the first time, I already contacted, before issuing my decision, the other moderator. He wasn't around, but I can assure you that I will discuss everything with him ASAP ;-) I don't think he'll agree with me XD. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 19:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to go with Snowolf with this one (to his surprise, no doubt!), and suggest that you reapply in a week, after doing some more NP Patrol. NPW can be a powerful tool, and and cause significant damage, and while I (and, I'd hazard to say, "we") trust that you know the policies, I do see quite a few recent A7 mishaps. It'll just help us to see more details of your interpretations of the rules. I'm sure we'll be happy to add your name to the list in a week or so. Thanks, Martinp23 22:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Keep an eye on my contribs until then; I plan to reapply in a week or two. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 23:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

re: dont blank pages

ah, well thank you, i meant to delete it, where can i find these templates? i know about them i just dont know how to get them... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanofranz (talk • contribs) 20:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Yanpagh

No, of course I wont give you a break until you answer me properly "Pyrospirit".

I at least have the decency of using my real name.

Not everyone is as into internet and worlds of fantasy as you are. I am for instance starting to realize that there is something like user pages here, where I could have posted some of my info.

I really want an answer, so drop a little your interactive gaming, since you want to be defender of what is proper to post or not in wikipedia to answer this mans (real person) about his doubts.

"I tagged the page for deletion because it was essentially nonsense."

No it was not, I disagree with you, and dont try to involve moderation, I may not be an übergeek, but I know that you tagging the text has a huge influence on moderation. Dont be ridiculous.

If you want to cut my articles so bad, you better have a more mature explanation than a shallow and pretentious "gimme a break, Yan Pagh".

You want to be treated serious, you bnetter start behaving that way. There is a real world out there, you know. And real people make part of it. Dont congratulate yourself if you need to hide on a virtual manga like reality where you can eraze any consequence of your own acts by a "gimme a break, Yan Pagh".

Just to be sure I am not being unfair in my misunderstanding of your attitudes towards my person, I checked what wikipedia has to say about this and here it is:

"How can I help? Don't be afraid to edit — anyone can edit almost any page, and we encourage you to be bold! Find something that can be improved, whether content, grammar or formatting, and make it better.

You can't break Wikipedia. Anything can be fixed or improved later. So go ahead, edit an article and help make Wikipedia the best information source on the Internet!"

There, clear as water. See where my doubt comes from or do you need to slaughter more dwarves to get to a higher game level and therefore have no time to answer?

You are not so important that you can do this.

Want to delete it, come with a better explanation than "Gimme a break, Yan Pagh".

I cannot write about myself? No problem, other people will.

I ment the articles on the best way possible. If I shoudnt write myself about things I did or what I am participating on as the responsible for writing about it, Wikipedia shoud come with a warning about this.

Do you really hate that bad the achievements of other people on the real world, that you have to behave like this?

Do answer properly, because I am not a possibly frustrated fan of manga who plays on interactive games to spend my remaining time on earth, I will rather make a difference.

"gimme a break Yan Pagh" was a very unrealistic answer. I couldnt care less about you to "give you a break" (since it is you who seems to be nitpicking on what I write) You want my articles removed and I want answers from you.

Go set your very possible frustrations about real life elsewhere, okay?

And when you answer, make sure you post a real name, I am not playing webgames with you, you want to cut my articles off no reason but they annoy you somehow, I need to understand why. Grow up, as you are talking to a real here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yanpagh (talk • contribs) 04:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I tagged the articles you created for one reason and only one: according to Wikipedia policy, all articles must establish notability. Your articles did not establish notability, and were therefore deleted. If Yanpagh is indeed your real name, as you claim it is, then those two articles, Yan Pagh and Yanism, seem to have been autobiographies that made no claim of notability. According to the speedy deletion policy, such non-notable biographies may be tagged with {{db-bio}} and then deleted by an administrator if no assertion of notability is made. See also Wikipedia:Autobiography#Creating an article about yourself.

As for the rest of your accusations: I don't see why my choice to use a pseudonym or my interest in fantasy games is at all relevant to tagging the articles you created for deletion. And as far as I can remember, I never said "gimme a break Yan Pagh." As I recall, you were the only one who used that phrase. Also, I entirely believe you when you say that you "meant the articles in the best way possible." One of Wikipedia's core policies is to assume good faith; however, even articles created in good faith may be deleted if they do not establish notability.

Looking at some of your comments, I encourage you to read Wikipedia's policies on civility and no personal attacks.

As a side note, your article Pagh looks fairly good; I'll help do a little formatting/copyediting on it. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 19:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Someone else also explained me some of the rules I was unaware of.

Yan Pagh.

Ok, glad everything is all cleared up now. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 04:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Therefore Would it be too much if I asked you to delete the whole misunderstanding as I do not wish to further incquire on the topic, as it seems pretty irrelevant and inconsistent by now since everything is cleared up as you said.

Once I am not allowed to do it myself it seems.

Yan.

It'll be cleared out next time I archive this page. The MediaWiki software keeps a record of everything anyway, so it really doesn't matter in terms of visibility if the conversation is removed or not. For convenience in archiving old discussions, however, I prefer to leave everything here until the page starts to get too long (around 20 sections or so). Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 15:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Warning:Javascript security issue

Hi! I need to inform you that I've protected Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Easy db because it allows users to add code to the javascript of other users. If you are an admin, you are still able to edit it, but if you are not an admin, please copy and paste it into your userspace to continue modifying it. We can set up a message at the old javascript page telling users to change their links. If you need help, please contact me or User:Eagle_101. Thanks, --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹnoɟ ʇs 00:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I don't use the script myself, actually. I just noticed the error in the script and decided to fix it. In my opinion, though, Twinkle is a way better deletion script. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 02:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Grand Rapids Medical Corridor

I just want to give you a quick thanks for helping me out with the links. Its a lot of stuff there and just one editor for all of the work that needs to be done is a burden. So thank you for taking a few moments and doing what you did. I plan on finishing a few items on it later on tommorrow or this week. BTW how do you do citations. I cant seem to get the jest of it. All of the info I put into the article comes from the links on the bottom of the page. BTW would it be a good idea to put this in with the Project Michigan page or not? --Mihsfbstadium 02:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for making the article! I live in Michigan, and we really needed an article on it. The basic idea of doing references is typing <ref>Put your reference here.</ref> to make a citation. You may wish to use the {{cite web}} template for the citation. Whatever you place in the ref tags will appear at any <references /> tag on the page. (I'll make one of those for that page.) For more information, see Wikipedia:Footnotes. As for whether it should go with WikiProject Michigan, I'd say it probably would, but you might want to ask them. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 03:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay I changed the links and citations around. It should be better but how can I make it GREAT. I know I need to get some photos which I have NO clue on how to get the colleges and universities to allow. In anycase it should be a good start in anycase. --Mihsfbstadium 04:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Very nice job on the article. I'll see if I can change some of those references to in-text footnotes so we can get rid of that tag at the top. To get the images, you may end up having to use fair use if there's no free images available; I'm no expert on Wikipedia's image policies, though, so I'm really not sure. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 18:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

All the references are now in proper inline citation format. If you find any more useful references, just use the same format to put them in the list of references. Using the <ref> is useful because it numbers them automatically, plus you can see where each individual statement is cited rather than looking through all the citations for it. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher application 2

Dear Pyrospirit,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

Dreadstar † 02:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 00:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, the shiny complete template. Now the source code of this section has an approval message and a non-visible declined message! ...Oh well. It gives useful links anyway. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 03:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Instride

Hey Pyrospirit,

GEICO, Progressive, Esurance and many other companies have wiki pages up. I modeled instride after their pages and I'd like for it to stick. I think it's a significant and it's an interesting page.

Let me know what you suggest. I feel like it's easy to tag a page for deletion but it takes a real effort as a writer/editor to offer insight on how to make the page better so it stays up. I think this page doesn't warrant deletion.

let me know what you think MeganFenstermaker 13:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)meg waldrep.megan@gmail.com

The article did not satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements and was written in a way that seemed to do nothing but advertise the subject of the article. Therefore, it was speedily deleted under the criteria mentioned on your talk page. Also, when I tagged it for deletion, it had already been deleted twice for the same reason. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 13:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Chordate Portal

A tag has been placed on Chordate Portal, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per speedy deletion criterion G2.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.-- WebHamster 21:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

*blink* *blink* ...I think you have the wrong person. I just moved a page that should be in the Portal namespace out of Mainspace.

Never mind, I see what happened. Forgot to tag the redirect for speedy, didn't I? Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually I think it was my fault. I was tagging the original version before the redirect with twinkle, there was a load of lag and et voila you end up with a template warning. Sorry. ---- WebHamster 21:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I've messed up far worse with Twinkle. It happens. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Magic the Gathering

I see you play Magic the Gathering

it's an awesome game, I've got a White Cleric Deck, from back when "Onslaught" was the newest edition haha

but I love it

you got any cool decks?

Duzz 21:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Me too! Let's see, cool decks... Red burn deck with a little multicolor blue mixed in is my favorite deck. Has a bunch of combos each capable of 10 to 20 damage in one turn. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

yeah

so I'm a huge fan of Wikipedia, and you seem cool so

you got a myspace? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Duzz (talk • contribs) 21:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Never use Myspace or Facebook or any of those sites. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 22:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ho Baron

I appreciate your quick concern to new articles. I would also like to note that it should have taken longer than 59 seconds to read the entire article. As a Wiki veteran myself, I understand that many articles incorporated into the encyclopedia, really have no place. However, mind you that Ho Baron is a renowned artist within the South West United States. His works have toured various Southwestern venues. Had you taken a moment to research the subject of this article, I am sure that the this article would never have been tagged with speedy deletion. Please take more concern in what you wish to tag. Thanks again, Somnabot 22:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I admit that I may have misjudged it and it could be notable. Whether it's notable or not, however, another editor has tagged it for speedy deletion as a copyright violation, which it seems to be. Therefore, it still may be speedily deleted. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 22:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

David Dunn

Please rmeove David Dunn(Governor) and David Dunn (Maine), sorry to create more work for you. Question: if I had created those pages in the sandbox... couldI have use the "what links here" function against them?--Dr who1975 00:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I see that the sandbox is one page so that wouldn't work. How can I see what links to anon existent page without getting angry notes from people? --Dr who1975 00:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied here. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 00:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Banco (album)

Is this now still necessary? Can I delete your warning from my talk page? Martinevans123 14:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it satisfies notability, etc. now. Go ahead and remove the notice if you want; it's your user talk page, not mine. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 15:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. When I last I removed all the warnings on "my" talk page, another more experienced user told me that it was "not good etiquette" and pasted them all back. Also, I must admit, the meaning of "notable" in the Wiki World Order seems difficult. It looks like a very subjective term being forced to wear the clothes of consensus for the sake of spurious objectivity. If I find something notable - I note it, possibly in public for the benefit of others. Are we to have a Grand Committee of Notabilty? Or does everything in WP work itself out in an endless democratic cycle of editing and re-editing? Martinevans123 19:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Generally speaking, removing warnings from your talk page with no explanation is considered bad etiquette. However, you can archive your talk page to remove them from obvious visibility. In the case of that one speedy warning, though, the warning was really meaningless since the article was improved.
On the issue of notability, something is considered notable on Wikipedia if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. So, not just anything is notable, and articles that make no claim of notability and are clearly not notable can be deleted under the speedy deletion criteria. This isn't just based on the judgment of single editors; there are policies created by consensus that determine these things. In fact, endless cycles of editing and re-editing the same thing back and forth are known as edit wars and are actively discouraged. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 22:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I didn't expect your comment to explain "everything", but thank you for this reasonable and informative reply. We all learn from our mistakes (hopefully). Edit wars can look quite amusing to an outsider, but they must also be a waste of time I guess. Martinevans123 08:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Heh, wasn't trying to literally explain "everything", just everything you mentioned. Regarding amusing edit wars, you may find it interesting to read Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars. The things some people will get angry over... *rolls eyes* Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 15:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Alfred Radley

I am a new user and just created a page on Alfred Radley which Pyrospirit seems to have placed into dispute NPOV. I am puzzled as there is nothing controversial (apologies for not adding citations but I could not work out how to do it). Alfred Radley is mentioned in at least one other entry in Wikipedia and is an important figure in creating the fashions of the late 20th century. Thanks Howard —Preceding unsigned comment added by H Radley (talk • contribs) 23:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I meant to bring up issues with the tone of the article, which could use some work, but I think I put the wrong tag on it. I'll fix that. Oh, and since you're new here, I'll give you the standard welcome message. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 01:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

What is this all about

This guy "speedily deleted" my article lass than 30 seconds after I first created it. It seems from this talk page that he does this a lot. Who is this guy?Sam Sloan 21:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I tagged the page for speedy deletion because it contained little or no context about the subject (criterion A1). The article was then deleted by Maxim (talk · contribs) for that reason. This is simply standard procedure for articles that fall under the criteria for speedy deletion. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

My article, which is about a Japanese movie named Mahjong Horoki has been instantly deleted a second time by these two clowns. Apparently, they just became Wikipedia administrators and have been going around randomly deleting all kinds of stuff. This is NOT "standard proceedure". If it was, there would be nothing on Wikipedia. Sam Sloan 23:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Did you read what I said? It contained little or no context, and was deleted under speedy deletion criterion A1. The article was deleted not randomly, but for a reason specifically following a policy established and supported by consensus of Wikipedia's editors. And the administrator who deleted it gained his administrator status as a result of community consensus as well, granted as a result of his numerous beneficial contributions to Wikipedia. I recommend you look into the reasons why the article you created was deleted before making accusations like that. If you still have issues with the deletion after you've done this, you can bring it to deletion review or ask the administrator who deleted it. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 01:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

George Eiferman

I just removed the CSD tags after expanding the article a bit. Just giving you a heads up! spryde | talk 15:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for informing me. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 15:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)