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Hello, PradeepBoston, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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August 2015

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Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Hindi. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Warning for repeated addition of unsourced material, and repeated edits against consensus. Thomas.W talk 19:58, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As of now ver: 677589834 there are multiple issues with the Hindi page 1) It is misquoting Ethnologue site in Hindi numbers 180 million (1991). The site https://www.ethnologue.com/language/hin shows 260,333,620 total native speakers 2001 and L2 users: 120,000,000 in India (Wiesenfeld 1999). 2) You removed reference to Hindi newspaper readership. Hindi newspapers have 36.5% of daily newspaper circulation in India and 7 Hindi newspapers are in top 20 circulation in India.[1] 3) The page Hindi is getting redirect from Hindi language, Modern Standard Hindi, Hindi which means 3 different things to Linguist, purist but for layman Hindi is what is in school, TV, Newspaper of Hindi Language. It this page for putting articles about all 3 topics in same page? 4) The map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi#/media/File:Hindustani_map.png is sourced from 1978 version of the book 5) I sourced all census data from USA, UK, Australia on Hindi and provided links version 677509409. 6) The page shows 3 ISO codes: ISO 639-1 hi, ISO 639-2 hin, ISO 639-3 hin but has language family tree of only ISO 639-3 (not sure??) 7) The Hindi Language map does not even exist on this page. Ethnologue https://www.ethnologue.com/map/IN_xx has better map.

PradeepBoston (talk) 00:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC) WilliamThweatt (talk | contribs)‎ . . (25,480 bytes) (-2,240)‎ . . (Undid revision 677876719 by PradeepBoston (talk) per WP:BRD, please discuss your desired changes one at a time on the talk page. Also, this article is ONLY about Modern Standard Hindi) (undo | thank)[reply]

PradeepBoston (talk) 05:58, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Hindi. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to lose editing privileges. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a loss of editing privileges. Thank you. —SpacemanSpiff 06:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Hindi. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to lose editing privileges. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a loss of editing privileges. Thank you. William Thweatt TalkContribs 06:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia:

Working on to find out from Wikipedia both in https://en.wikipedia.org and https://hi.wikipedia.org/ ? Maybe we have to rewrite history books in India or may I say Bharat. Stay tuned. PradeepBoston (talk) 11:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rewritting history and also rewritting hindi literature.Rajatbindalbly (talk) 11:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Summary from other talk pages:

Hindi

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1) You are misquoting Ethnologue site in population numbers. The site https://www.ethnologue.com/language/hin shows 260,333,620 total native speakers 2001 and L2 users: 120,000,000 in India (Wiesenfeld 1999). 2) You removed reference to Hindi newspaper readership. Hindi newspapers have 36.5% of daily newspaper circulation in India and 7 Hindi newspapers are in top 20 circulation in India."Weekly Data". Audit Bureau of Circulations. 2014. Retrieved 18 August 2015. 3) The page Hindi is getting redirect from Hindi language, Modern Standard Hindi, Hindi. Do you know the difference ? What is your suggestion for putting articles about all 3 topics in same page? PradeepBoston (talk) 23:46, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article in question is specifically about Modern Standard Hindi, all other dialects/varieties/etc. are outside the scope of the article. Ethnologue's numbers include those of varieties other than Modern Standard Hindi.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 01:47, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is why I don't like having MSH at just "Hindi". But people don't want a dab page there either. Maybe we could move the page and leave a rd? — kwami (talk) 20:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer that the current article at Hindi be moved to Modern Standard Hindi and the title Hindi be a redirect to Hindi (disambiguation) where the reader can choose from the list the particular meaning of "Hindi" for which they are searching.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 23:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See response from kwami "::We're not misquoting Ethnologue. The current edition is based on the Indian census, which confuses Hindi with other languages (as the census itself indicates but Ethnologue does not.)

I have no problem with the newspaper stats. Put them back if you like.
We're not merging 3 topics. The page is about Modern Standard Hindi and only Modern Standard Hindi. I don't like calling it just "Hindi" myself, but people have argued that MSH is the primary use of the word "Hindi". You can make a move request if you like. — kwami (talk) 01:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)"[reply]

PradeepBoston (talk) 05:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Hindi Who will edit all Wiki pages which are pointing to Hindi page ? Not me :D PradeepBoston (talk) 05:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Languages#Article_names says "Please note that when there is nothing to disambiguate a language name from, such as Hindi, Esperanto or Inuktitut, there is no need for the "language". I also referred to "Use commonly recognizable names" section in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Languages.2C_both_spoken_and_programming

PradeepBoston (talk) 05:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All of that is about title policy and is irrelevant to this issue. The article makes it clear that the article is about Modern Standard Hindi. The scope of the article is defined by the article itself (as is usually made clear by the introduction/lede), not by the title. The title is supposed to reflect what the article is about, not the other way around.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 06:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The words "Modern Standard Hindi" only appears 7 times in the article. 2 times by insert done by me. The word "Hindi" appears 152 times in the article. I do not see any issue in having a standalone Modern Standard Hindi and whole article rewritten for Modern Standard Hindi. PradeepBoston (talk) 07:32, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I also read my edits again and I see that I have only written about "Modern Standard Hindi". Which line do you think is not about "Modern Standard Hindi" ? PradeepBoston (talk) 07:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are so many problems with your proposed edits, I don't know where to start. However, if you want to discuss them, this is not the place to do so. Firstly, you need to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies so you understand how to work together to build an article. You should read WP:CONSENSUS and "Bold, Revert, Discuss" cycle. Consensus building is the core of the Wikipedia project. You want to change there article and you were WP:BOLD in attempting it. You were reverted (by numerous editors who don't agree with your proposed changes), now you MUST open discussions on the talk page of the article (Talk:Hindi) and seek consensus of other editors for your changes. This page is not the place to do so. If the community agrees with you, then your proposed changes can remain. You can't simply revert back to what you want without discussion or you risk being blocked for WP:Edit warring. Read these policies, start discussing on the article talk page and refrain from reverting again unless consensus is reached on the talk page.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 11:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)"[reply]

1) The above user is undoing pages of Hindi 7 times from July 1, 2015 from various authors. 

20:38, 1 July 2015‎ WilliamThweatt (talk | contribs)‎ . . (23,420 bytes) (-215)‎ . . (Undid revision 669528024 by 76.71.73.39 (talk)

- does this means that above user should follow "Read these policies, start discussing on the article talk page and refrain from reverting again unless consensus is reached on the talk page." ??

2) After summarizing technical and redirect issues above the user response are: "The article in question is specifically about Modern Standard Hindi, all other dialects/varieties/etc. are outside the scope of the article." 

"All of that is about title policy and is irrelevant to this issue."

- Does not want to accept that page is redirecting from "Hindi", "Hindi Language". - When I clarified that my final edits are for "Modern Standard Language" with suggestion to point error. He is pointing to WP:CONSENSUS. Which he himself is not following. His next step is to "revert" it again.

3) "Ethnologue's numbers include those of varieties other than Modern Standard Hindi" - No proof provided by author. Ethnologue url and numbers ignored. - Numbers from other reference sites also removed.


PradeepBoston (talk) 02:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pradeep Boston... I am just amazed why all the proofs to get hindi language a status, are going in vain .Rajatbindalbly (talk) 11:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

September 2015

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Information icon Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Chhattisgarhi language, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Thomas.W talk 10:47, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Thomas.W I do not see any issue in my edits. Are you talking about Infobox "Census results conflate some speakers with Hindi." ? Is that general statements about Chhattisgarhi ? Can you provide your reference?PradeepBoston (talk) 12:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • If someone looks at that individual edit only it might seem like a good-faith edit, but looking at your total contributions paints a totally different picture. Your edits show a clear pattern of tendentious editing on a considerable number of articles relating to the Hindi language, and when seen against that background your removal of content from Chhattisgarhi language was not a good-faith attempt to improve the article, but an edit intended to push your agenda here. Thomas.W talk 12:28, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Thomas I disagree with you. I was promoting Surgujia language on the same edit and correcting the errors on the page. It seems you have some biased against my edits on Hindi. If that biased is in your mind that all Hindi speakers are here to destroy other languages. Please note that I am a multilingual and my family speaks more than 10+ different Indian and foreign languages.

Your sandbox

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Hello. I noticed that you're working on an own POV version of Hindi in your sandbox, after having been reverted multiple times when trying to insert similar content into the "real" article, so I want to point out that creating "POV content forks" (see WP:POVFORK) is not allowed. Thomas.W talk 10:54, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@ Thomas.W I saved my edits in Sandbox when another users edit conflicts happened at the same time i was editing. I do not see anything wrong in saving a copy in sandbox.PradeepBoston (talk) 12:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't see any problem with having the content there either, at least not for a limited amount of time, my comment was intended to inform you that an attempt to move that content to article space would be against the rules here, in case you considered doing so. I.e. helpful information. Thomas.W talk 12:30, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did to Chhattisgarhi language with this edit, you may be blocked from editing. Melmann(talk) 14:16, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@user:Melmann You are contradicting your own statement. I provided all reference points and had talk with Thomas W before editing it. We have ground work experience with both Chattisgariya and Surgujia langauge. There is no personal statements in my edits.

September 2015

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  1. ^ "Weekly Data". Audit Bureau of Circulations. 2014. Retrieved 18 August 2015.
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