User talk:PoetAudio

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Happy editing! Seagull123 Φ 19:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi

I am the subject of this page. For the past 6-7 years this Wikipedia page has been set up about me that I have not edited or annotated myself. It continues to have a citation saying that it is being managed by someone close to the source stuck at the top. It is really frustrating and inaccurate. I have asked for this page to be removed or to be told how it can be cleaned and have finally been pointed towards this page. It is live, giving the impression that I or 'my team' are editing it, and it doesn't look like anyone can do anything about that or take it down.

The message I refer to states:

A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (May 2019) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

As already mentioned, I did not create this page and nor is anyone close to me editing it. If the page stays, can the misleading banner be removed as no one 'close to me' has knowledge of editing this page. In fact, is there a way to find out who the source is? Who is allowed to add to these pages? Can the 'rules' be explained? It is hard seeing information about yourself that is inaccurate (see below) without being 'allowed' to correct it.

As a fact check, I am not a fashion designer (and have not been for some time), I am an entrepreneur working across fashion and media. I understand the errors on this page might not be anyones fault. It is just challenging as on principle, subjects can have no contribution to these pages - even when content about them is inaccurate.

I appreciate your kind response. PoetAudio (talk) 04:08, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi PoetAudio, and welcome to Wikipedia. Can you point us to which article this message concerns? There is not enough information provided in your post to tell which article you are referring to. Best, Altamel (talk) 04:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'm leaving a few links to pages you may find useful: Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, Wikipedia:Help available for editors with conflicts of interest, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help, and Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects. However, like Altamel said, we can only help you if you tell us which article you want editing. Seagull123 Φ 19:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello I hope I am responding correctly! The page is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samata_(fashion_designer)

Does that help? PoetAudio (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Pinging @Altamel: and @Seagull123:. TSventon (talk) 21:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi PoetAudio. Thank you, that does help. Now I know what page you are talking about. In response to the points you raised:

• I have changed your description in the article from "fashion designer" to "fashion entrepreneur."
• The general rule is that editors with a conflict of interest for a particular topic are strongly discouraged from editing articles about that topic. This means people shouldn't edit articles about themselves, nor should paid PR representatives edit articles about their clients. Editors with a conflict should also disclose that conflict. You did the right thing by declaring your conflict and asking for help rather than editing the article directly.
• If there are other errors in the article, you may raise them on Talk:Samata (fashion entrepreneur) and tag them with {{edit COI}} as you did here. If the error is very serious and you do not receive a response, you may raise it at the Biographies of Living Persons Noticeboard. Keep in mind, however, that an article may be out-of-date, but that is not necessarily an error. If the article claims a fact, and that fact is no longer true, that is an error. But if the article makes a claim about that past, which is still true, but out-of-date, there may be reasons for keeping that claim in the article. Similarly, omissions from an article are not necessarily considered errors.
• The banner was placed on the article because an editor suspected that somebody with a connection (personal, financial, or professional) to Samata was editing the article. Because editing on Wikipedia is anonymous, we have no means to prove that an editor actually has a connection. Instead, we look for context clues. If an article uses a lot of PR-speak, or looks like a press release, or puts its subject in a strongly positive light, that may be a sign it has been edited by somebody with a conflict of interest. These banners typically stay until the promotional language is removed. Rayman60 was the editor who placed the banner. You might want to speak with them about what improvements they would like to see before the banner is removed.
• Looking at the article Samata, I do see some elements that are reminiscent of a press release. There's too much name-dropping, for instance. I'm not saying that you, personally, must have been responsible. But the article does have problems with not maintaining a neutral point of view. Is it possible that somebody has edited the article on your behalf? For instance, do you have a PR team, and might they have hired a freelancer to edit the page?

I hope this helps answer your questions. If you have further inquiries, please post them at Talk:Samata (fashion entrepreneur). That gives other editors monitoring the article a chance to respond, and keeps a record of your concerns in the appropriate place. Best, Altamel (talk) 00:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Thank you for your greatly informative response! I don't have a PR. I have also looked at other articles and many reference people associated with the person but perhaps there is a way it is being done? I don't know. I have never had a PR or hired a freelancer to edit the page. It might be someone who has written about me? A journalist or a blogger? But definitely not me, and the banner at the top implies they are associated with me which is frustrating. Can anything be done? I also have no issue removing the page at all too? Can I ask for that to happen? Or who can remove the content that feels like it is PR talk? I would love some honest help as having this entry here is really an ongoing frustration for me personally? You have been so helpful - thank you! PoetAudio (talk) 10:35, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Also I have no idea how to use this platform and sending these messages has been quite hard for me to understand. How to I message Rayman60? Thank you! PoetAudio (talk) 10:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. TSventon (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

PoetAudio, I have started the discussion to request a clean up of promotional content at Samata (fashion entrepreneur) and this is a standard message to inform you, You are welcome to contribute if you wish. TSventon (talk) 14:19, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks but now a second banner has been added which is even worse. I would really appreciate some help removing both! As I can't edit an article about myself (!!!) I have to ask for the community to help. PoetAudio (talk) 07:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)