User talk:Pipeatx
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David Manzur
[edit]Hi, I just saw your message on my talk page. I had wondered whether there was some sort of coordinated effort, because several accounts have been creating articles and uploading pictures on Commons. Since you are the artist's assistant, you need to read our conflict of interest policy. You should put a statement on your user page (User:Pipeatx) saying that you are affiliated with the artist. However, if you wrote the Spanish Wikipedia article, congratulations, that was quite good - not much non-neutral wording, and quite a few references. I agree he is an important artist, and I'm happy we now have an article on him on the English Wikipedia, too, and I don't think it's a bad one.
However, there are a couple of concerns. One is that different people started a draft and a main space article at the same time, with similar text, and that makes it look as if one person is using two accounts, or as if there is coordination happening off-wiki. From what you say about working with a friend, it was coordination, but please read our page on sockpuppetry, note that each person should only use one account (and conversely that accounts should not be shared between two or more people) and consider also stating on your user page - and asking your friend to do so also - that you are not the same person. More seriously, I've created a category on Commons, Commons:Category:David Manzur and a subcategory for paintings by him, because I see that at least two accounts on Commons have been uploading photographs of him and images of his works. These are nice, but they are being rightly flagged as possible copyright violations. Photos of a person cannot simply be copied from a magazine and claimed as "own work", for example. And his paintings are copyright to their owners - presumably the galleries or private persons who have bought them, or the artist himself if he hasn't sold the painting yet. These are going to be deleted unless the owner e-mails Commons OTRS officially giving up all rights to them! Meanwhile, they are potentially limiting Manzur's earnings. This is why I haven't included any of the pictures in the English article, and chose the picture of him that looked most likely to be copyright-free - however, someone else has now nominated that, too, for deletion from Commons. For a picture of him, you or one of the other people with an account should take a new picture of Manzur, or upload one you already took. It's best if it's taken at a public appearance by the artist; otherwise, you should add that you have his permission. But the copyright for that photo will belong to whoever takes the picture. For more information about copyright on Commons, look at the welcome template that a bot places on the user talk pages of users who upload at Commons for the first time, follow the links, and you'll see also where to ask questions. English Wikipedia is less restructive about copyright, but since Manzur is a living person and since the articles are about him, not about specific single paintings, in practice the policies are the same in this case, so having the image(s) on Commons makes more sense for ease of sharing between different Wikipedias.
Sorry about the giant wall of text and serious policy information. If you were asking me to help you write about Manzur in other languages, I'm afraid I can't be of any use - I can read far, far better than I can write. But he is notable and you have good references, so you should probably just go ahead and create a French article on French Wikipedia, for example, and then ask for help fixing the French. (Also a note: It would be nice to know exactly where some of the references go to. For example, is the Museum of Modern Art mentioned in one reference the one in New York that I have linked to, or the one in Bogotá? Specify things like that; it makes it easier for other editors to help by fixing formatting and so on.)
I hope this is more helpful than it is frightening, and that something can be worked out about the images. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi again: with regards to Google, I don't know why you don't see the "image graph" any longer when you look up David Manzur. Their algorithms are very mysterious, and I note that the Spanish article still has an infobox. Different people get different search results on Google; I just checked and I don't yet see the English Wikipedia article coming up on the first page of results. So I suspect that for me at least the Google results are going to change after their web crawlers find the English article. Yngvadottir (talk) 06:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)