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DYK nomination of Twicket

Hello! Your submission of Twicket at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Daniel Case (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Flag icon identifying summit host

As you may recall, the edit history of Template:Infobox summit includes your name. This causes me to guess that you may be willing to help resolve a small problem.

According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Avoid flag icons in infoboxes, the construction of this template is slightly flawed. In the resulting infoboxes, identification of the host country mirrors {{flagicon}}.

Despite MOS conventions, is there a arguable reason why host country flags should be incorporated in the infoboxes of summits? Can it be said to aid in navigation in the same way that {{flagicon}} is useful in the tables at G8 and G-20 major economies?

Please share your thoughts at Template talk:Infobox summit. IMO, this should be a non-issue; but I did notice that it was the subject of an edit war at BRICS.

If consensus develops for removing the flag, I don't understand how to modify the template. --Tenmei (talk) 15:10, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I've replied there, thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Start date

Hi, there's no need to add a {{start date}} to the |start= parameter of an {{infobox GB station}}, as you did here, because the infobox already does it: the visual effect is the same, but the emitted HTML comes out as

1855<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">1855<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">1855</span>)</span></span>)</span>

instead of

1855<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">1855</span>)</span>

Thanks. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't know that; but what if the date is a full one (DD-MM-YYYY) and not just a year? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:28, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

For the specific case of {{start date|2011|05|03|df=y}}, the emitted HTML is

3 May 2011<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">2011-05-03</span>)</span>

For the specific case of {{start date|3 May 2011}}, the emitted HTML is

3 May 2011<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">3 May 2011</span>)</span>

For double usage (ie {{start date|{{start date|2011|05|03|df=y}}}}), the emitted HTML is

3 May 2011<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">2011-05-03</span>)</span><span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">3 May 2011<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">2011-05-03</span>)</span></span>)</span>

For double usage (ie {{start date|{{start date|3 May 2011}}}}), the emitted HTML is

3 May 2011<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">3 May 2011</span>)</span><span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">3 May 2011<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">3 May 2011</span>)</span></span>)</span>

So it affects what goes inside the <span class="bday dtstart published updated">...</span>, which are classes interpreted by certain external applications; but I don't know enough about those external applications, so I've left threads at Template talk:start date. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Twicket

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Cath Kidston

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Main Page, 5 May

Hi Andy, if you still want a screen dump of the main page for this date, I've made a dummy version of it at User:Tivedshambo/Main Page, which is about as near as I can get it (see my comments on the real main page). Let me know when you're done with it, and I'll delete it again. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 18:57, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

That's very kind, thank you. I've taken a capture, so it's done with now. Maybe we should have a bot take a capture every few hours, and upload to commons? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits

I'm not sure how easy that would be technically, as I think most bots work by interrogating the underlying database, rather than through a browser. However, you could suggest it at WP:BOTREQ. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 21:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Steamboat Columbian disaster

Why are you removing all the categories? The article belongs in all the ones originally listed and you don't give any explanation for their removal. During an article review, I actually was commended for the category list. (See the talk page of the article, I've copied the info from the review there.)

I'd appreciate some sort of explanation. Thank you.—D'Ranged 1 ^talk 22:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Because many of them are parent categories of those left behind. We only use the most specific. The tool used, HOTCAT, does not allow for comments in edit summaries. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Route Map diags for Kennet and Avon Canal

Hi, Looking at the histories of the Route map diagrams for the Kennet and Avon Canal eg Template:K+A-B-B, it appears you started them. There is currently a discussion on Talk:Kennet and Avon Canal#Template inconsistency about the best place to split between the sections. This is part of a current expansion/improvement of the article, which may lead to FAC. If you had any comments on the talk page that would be great.— Rod ^talk 07:47, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Pink Floyd refdesk

Hi Andy. I've posted a Pink Floyd question on the refdesk that you may be able to help with! Cheers, matt (talk) 08:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

YouTube

With this change, are you indicating that Flash video software is now completely unnecessary to see videos on YouTube? WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.youtube.com/html5 Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bird Watching (magazine)

Hello! Your submission of Bird Watching (magazine) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Roger Waters

Thanks for your recent contributions to Roger Waters. I was wondering, do you have the page numbers for the Mabbett 2010 cites that you added? — GabeMc (talk) 04:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Also, for the Desert Island Disk cites, event occurences would be most helpful, and they are a must when citing a 45-minute recording. Thanks. — GabeMc (talk) 04:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll add the page refs when I have a minute (it's an excellent book - I heartily recommend it!); radio details will not be so easily found. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Judith Trim DYK nomination

There are a couple of issues in which I noted with the Judith Trim DYK nomination (mainly hook length and prose quality). See the DYK nomination entry for more details. Regards, –MuZemike 04:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Judith Trim

--Calmer Waters 19:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

GLAMcamp

Hi, just wanted to double-check if you were coming. The talk page has an apology but you are still down as attending. Cheers Fæ (talk) 11:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes; I'll be there. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:08, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Desert Island Discs castaways

Category:Desert Island Discs castaways, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:50, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for File:Bird Watching May 2011.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:Bird Watching May 2011.jpg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the file description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:20, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

In what way is the explanation "not suitable". What do you suggest? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:50, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Please explain how you think the image meets each of the Non-free content criteria. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:24, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

In what way does the current explanation not meet each of the non-free content criteria? What specifically do you suggest? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

OK. You need to explain why the use of the cover:

• doesn't harm the commercial interests of the original publisher (Criteria 2),
• why a 'free' replacement is not possible (Criteria 1) (In this instance it's obvious, because any cover of the publication concerned would be copyright).
• Previous publication (Criteria 4) is obvious it's a magazine cover and can be dealt with by citing the original publication details,
• why the image is encyclopaedic (Criteria 5) and relevant (Criteria 8) (as a magazine cover for identification of a notable specialist publication),
• Used minimally (Criteria 3)(Criteria 9) - (It's a low resolution scan of a single cover, and only used on a single article)
• and include the original publication citation (Criteria 10).

If you have further questions please contact me again :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:43, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

What makes you think I'm better placed to do that than you or any other editor)? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:54, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Because being the uploader, you are more likely to have the source information, and the reasoning as to why you uploaded the image :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:43, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

BTW If I seemed to have not responded sooner, it may be because you replied here and not on my talk page... If you leave a message here, I would suggest leaving a note on my talk page mentioning you've responded here :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Non-Free rationale for File:LittleBoy.png

Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:LittleBoy.png. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under Non-Free content criteria but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia is acceptable. Please go to the file description page and edit it to include a Non-Free rationale.

If you have uploaded other Non-Free media, consider checking that you have specified the Non-Free rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Again: In what way is the explanation "not suitable". What do you suggest? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Please explain how the use of the image meets each of the Non free content criteria Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

In what way does the current explanation not meet each of the non-free content criteria? What specifically do you suggest? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Please refer to the example I gave for the Birdwatching example previously. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia and the Semantic Web: microformats vs. microdata vs. RDFa

Hi there. I've been reading up on the state of semantic data on Wikipedia, and noticed you were one of the main contributors in that space. Would you mind if I asked your thoughts on which of the big three semantic markup languages -- microformats, microdata or RDFa -- would be best for making Wikipedia machine-understandable, and why? Some points made in a recent article by Manu Sporny at http://manu.sporny.org/2011/uber-comparison-rdfa-md-uf/ may be of interest here. Thanks! Emw (talk) 00:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Given that we have DBPedia for those wanting full-on linked data, microformats currently offer the most to our users (while still being recognised by the three main search engines), because there are more tools (bowser add-ons, third-party websites) which make use of them. However, things are changing quickly, and we need to keep abreast of changes (as I do; I'm in regular contact with Manu and follow his blog) and be prepared to adapt as the on-line world starts to settle on one or other standard. Personally, I'm not bothered whether that's microformats, RDFa, microdata, more than one of them, or the proposed amalgam of the three (or indeed something else), so long as the current functionality is not lost. We also need to overcome the rather unfortunate resistance in some quarters, to anything designed to make Wikipedia more metadata-rich and machine readable, by whatever means. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

World settlements

See this. I know you created the list of British locations A-Z. Did you use a bot? I think its invaluable and we should have full lists for every country.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:21, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. No, that was all hard manual slog. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:25, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Really? Crikey, well I admire the way you stuck at it, must have taken months of compiling. you appear to have covered literally every place down to the smallest hamlet as I've started a ffair few missing hamlets and they were listed in the A-Z. I'm hoping to get a bot to create similar tabled lists by country. In the next few weeks I think I'll aim to get every place started in the UK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, not quite. Someone else compiled the list; I broke it down into pages of manageable size. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Voiceprint Records

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Proposed deletion of Voiceprint Records

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Voiceprint Records

Hello. I was going to restore the article for you, but it looks like somebody else beat me to it. Best, — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. But thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:22, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

If you're going to add sources to assert notability, removing the "notability" tag is in order. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 18:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox college

Template:Infobox college has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 00:08, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Theatricalia name

Template:Theatricalia name has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Steamroller Assault (talk) 05:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)