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Italian American notables
[edit]So you reverted my edit of Italian American notables and told me to look see the talk, but I didn't find anything wrong with my edits. Could you please explain me which part you don't agree with. Everyone that I added was pretty much notable and is at least 50 years old. --Yerevanci (talk) 03:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
- If you have problem with my edits then state them! I asked you and you didn't respond and you're keep reverting my edits. If you have questions, ask them here. I don't see anything wrong with my edits.--Yerevanci (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
- Philantonia, nobody's trying to vandalize that page. Why don't you discuss first and then add the notables? You're keep pushing your own opinion. Please participate in the discussion and let's settle this. --Yerevanci (talk) 18:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Anti-Italianism
[edit]Hi Philantonia. I'm going to see if you're true to your word when you say you're interested in "promoting fair and balanced discussions on Italian American history and culture". Your removal of my pointing out that Curtis Sliwa is himself an Italian-American in the "Italian-American Stereotyping" section of the already seriously problematic "Anti-Italianism" article suggests otherwise.The fact that Curtis Sliwa is himself not only an Italian-American but a particularly proud one (he calls attention to his Italian heritage with great pride on an almost daily basis on his radio show) is quite relevant to the suggestion that he is anti-Italian. What got him in trouble of course was the references to the mafia. He has something of an obsession with the mafia because he was allegedly the target of an attempted mob hit. His hostility to the notion of an Italian-American museum wasn't driven by anti-Italian animous but by larger concerns about the growing trend in the US to focus on ethnic identify rather than our shared American heritage. I happen to agree with him on that front. I think the establishment of 'ethnic museums' is divisive, whether they be Italian-American museums or Irish-American museums or African-American museums or what have you.
On a related note, I modified the article on Sliwa himself to remove an innacurate and unreferenced claim that he is part Syrian.He's half Polish and half Italian, but has always identified more strongly with his Italian heritage. He is also originally from Chicago, not Brooklyn as that article states, but have yet to make that correction. He may have been born in Brooklyn, but he spent his early life in Chicago. It must sound like I'm some sort of Sliwa fan; I'm actually not. But I am quite familiar with him having grown up in NYC. I don't think an hour goes by where he doesn't make numerous proud references to his Italian-ness.
Aynway, I will presume in good faith that you are indeed interested in promoting a fair and balanced discussion. Hopefully we can discuss any edits you may have a problem with amicably. CannotFindAName (talk) 15:42, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- OK, I'll let your latest edit stand for now (i.e. removing the "proud" from the description of Sliwa's Italian heritage). I will put it back with references in due time. I find it interesting that you seem to want to hide the fact that Sliwa is Italian, and indeed an overtly proud one. He has stated this countless times publicly; almost hourly on his radio broadcasts in which he regularly uses Italian expressions and talks about Italian culture. In fact, he overtly states this fact in his letter to the very same Italian-American museum, linked below:
- "As you know, I'm a proud descendant of Italian immigrants and can certainly appreciate the difficulties our ancestors went through and have an enormous amount of respect for how they were able to persevere and thrive."
Hi, can you check out recent (30 March) edits to above article. I don't know enough about the subject. Regards Denisarona (talk) 16:35, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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War World I
[edit]WW1 started in Europe in 1914. Italy entered the war in 1915 (not in 1916), the UnIted States in 1917. Already in 1914 (in preparation for the War) and then more so in 1915 (when The war began in Italy) the Italian government began calling back his citizens abroad to serve in the army. Many Italian immigrants, who were not yet American citizen, went back to serve in the Italian Army. Those who were American citizens obviously enrolled in the American Army after 1917 (including Fiorello La Guardia who served in the American Expeditionary Force ). Many Italian American familues had members who served in either the Italian or the American army. Ghinozzi-nissim (talk) 23:20, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
I am not saying that I agree or disagree with you. I simply do not understand why Vincenzo Botta with 40 years of teaching at New York University and an article in Wikipedia) or Gaetano Lanza should be considered less important than Anthony Ghio, mayor of Texarkana, Texas in 1880 (who also does not have any article on Wikipedia)? Could you please answer so I can know what is important and what is not? Why the first Italian American scientist who had a prestigious position at MIT is less important than the obscure mayor of a little village in Texas? I simply would like to understand your criteria--Ghinozzi-nissim (talk) 05:48, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I perfectly agree, but the article as it is now, is not balanced. There are dozens and dozens of names of baseball players, actors and actress, politicians (that the reader can easily find in the categories) and the two of us are discussing and wondering if we should mention just a couple of academics and intellectuals, that in my opinion should be mentioned (though in the shortest and most readable way--I agree [with your experience you can certainly find the most appropriate way]), especially when their role is so important. Vincenzo Botta and Gaetano Lanza were the first Italian Americans to be tenured professors for over 40 (!) years in two of the most prestigious universities of the United States, they had hundreds of students, and published important books. Mentioning their names (as the LaGumina Encyclopedia does) would add something very important for the Italian American experience. Without this, the readers would not know that there were already Italian American academics (scholars and scientists) in American Universities in the 19th century. If we removed some names of sportsmen, politicians and actors in these too many useless lists nothing would change and the article would be much more readable. What do you think?-- Ghinozzi-nissim (talk) 18:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Taliaferro
[edit]A notable Civil War Confederate general of Italian descent shouldn't be featured on the page? Well I think there's too many singer guys like Sinatra (fair enough, the most notable), Mancini, Como, Martin, too much! Why just recent Southern Italian-descent singers? The Taliaferros were one of the founding families of Virginia/Maryland. The general is notable, I think it makes sense to show this side of the Italian American story too.--2.223.36.196 (talk) 19:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
You obviously know your military history. I would like you to know that some individuals have called into question recently published books like "Regio Esercito: The Italian Royal Army in Mussolini's Wars 1935-1943" and "Swastika over the Acropolis" (that rescue the effort of the Italian forces in Albania) in the "talk page" to do with the "Military history of Greece during World War II". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Military_history_of_Greece_during_World_War_II
It's a pity because any positive observations made by the British and Australian authors of these two excellent books will now be considered unreliable and therefore removed from the Wikipedia pages to do with the "Military history of Greece during World War II" and the "Greco-Italian War". As far as I have been able to digest, the Wikipedia censors or contributors in question of clearly Greek heritage, do not accept the fact that the Italians fighting in Albania wore down the Greeks to a great degree, and that the Greek Army left their back door open as a result, allowing the Germans to come rampaging through Greece, because of the Greek military command's obsession with the Italians in Albania.
I hope you or someone you know can talk some sense into these censors or their superiors, maybe deflate their ego a bit and let people use the recent findings in the books "Regio Esercito: The Italian Royal Army in Mussolini's Wars 1935-1943" and "Swastika over the Acropolis" without having them removed as an unreliable source.
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Pablo Nero
PS: I wish I could help more but my Italian is very limited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablonero2015 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 30 March 2015 (UTC) --Pablonero2015 (talk) 02:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I see that
[edit]you have an interest in Italian-American history, which explains (opinion) how you got to the Piccirilli Brothers. This is an article dear to my heart, I started it about 10 years ago, and in reviewing your recent edits there I discovered that in removing a large section of some redundant material you also removed some projects of theirs that are not mentioned elsewhere in the article. In trying to discover exactly what those were I decided that I would attempt to do a chart or table of their commissions rather than just restoring the commissions that were left out. That would allow us (if you are still interested in these guys) to organize and present the material in a more organized manner. I also have another fine Italian American sculptor, Corrado Parducci under my wing, please feel free to check him out. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
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Italophilia
[edit]Hi, Philantonia. I appreciate your contributions to the article Italophilia and your comments to user Reedy. I have added something in the talk page of the article Italophilia about Shakespeare. Reedy seems one of those who cannot "tolerate" a possible Sicilian (or Italian) alternative candidate in the Shakespeare authorship question....may be we need to write something about? Regards, B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.252.126.13 (talk) 17:01, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
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"Three regiments..." statement in 'Italian Americans' article
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Regarding my application of the ‘citation needed’ tag to the statement, in the ‘War of Independence to Civil War (1775-1861)’ of the ‘Italian Americans’ article. I applied the tag to a sentence that said: “Three regiments, totaling some 1,500 men, fought for American independence.” You responded to this by deleting the tag and (inadvertently?) altering the original statement so that, instead of saying, “totaling 1,500 men”, it said, “totaling 2,500 men”). I have (provisionally) re-applied the tag but I felt that I ought to explain my reason for so doing.
Although, over more years than I care to remember, I have studied the military side of the American War of Independence, I am completely unaware of the existence of any such regiments. However, I did not apply the ‘citation needed’ tag merely for that reason because I do not presume to know everything that there is to know about the subject: indeed, a great pleasure in studying history is in constantly finding out new things. I applied the tag because every statement made in a Wikipedia article must be supported by a citation from a reliable source. Any statement that is not reliably sourced has to be removed. That is official Wikipedia policy. That is why I applied the ‘citation needed’ tag and that is why, if no reliable source is provided for said claim within a reasonable time period, it will have to be removed. I noticed that, on August 17, 2019, you deleted a sentence from the ‘Anti-Italianism’ section of the article and left as an edit summary, “Removed unsourced and overly broad statement”. You were absolutely correct to do this because that is precisely the action prescribed by Wikipedia policy with regard to unsourced statements. I applied the ‘citation needed’ tag to the “Three regiments, totaling some 1,500 [or 2,500] men” claim for the same reason. If you can supply a reliable source for any regiments of Italian or Italian-American troops participating in the American War of Independence, then please do so. If there were entire units of Italian Americans involved in the Revolutionary War, I am sure that many readers would be very interested in finding out more about them - from which states they came, in which theaters they served, etc. I have scoured the Internet and found much interesting information on the Italian American contribution to American independence, such as the article, "The Italian American contributions to the American Revolutionary War", by Maria Gloria, in, 'L'Italo Americano', but as far as units consisting entirely or predominantly of Italians or Italian Americans, I have drawn a blank. This is in contrast to the participation of the 39th New York Volunteer Regiment of Infantry ("Garibaldi Guard") in the Civil War: which is well-documented.
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I am talking to you today in tegards to your removal of my edit on the italian American article. None of these artists were mentioned anywhere on the article and there is no mention of italian american entertainers in the late 20th and 21st century. Talk show hosts and other entertainers from other periods are mentioned in other parts of the article. I believe my edit is significant, all three of those artists are very significant italian americans in the present time and should be included. If plan on restoring my edit. It appears you are putting your personal opinions above the point in collaborating to make the article appropriate for the reader. It also appears this is not the first time this has happened with your account on this specific article. I will report you if this continues.
Best wishes, Koala234 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koala234 (talk • contribs) 03:45, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I have given you two weeks to respond however I have not received a response. I will revert your edit at this time. Please comment on my page for any further questions or discussion. Thank you, Koala234 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koala234 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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[edit]I'm reluctant to do this, but the copyvio report is pretty clear... 45 words copied in a row.
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