User talk:Petermixt

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July 2008

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Peter, I hope that you find the current version of the CMA entry vastly improved. It is difficult when the only articles that give notability to the entry also mischaracterize the fellowship. I would like to let the current version sit for a while to ensure it becomes accepted and stable, then I would like to remove the sentence that is marked as citation needed.

I am an active member in Austin, Texas and pleased to correspond with you. I edit other pages on here as well, so I don't think I have a conflict of interest. As for the content of the page, one area that I had difficulty with was whether the Big Book was the official literature of CMA. The history page indicates it as such, but it actually says that CMA "use[s] the 12-Step Recovery Program found in the book, Alcoholics Anonymous", which strictly speaking, is just the 12 steps according to How It Works, "Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery." (p. 59). Nowhere does CMA state that the Book is the official literature of the fellowship, but I took the more expansive view of the statement on the history page and said that the fellowship uses the AA text, not just that it uses the AA steps. Perhaps you could comment on that? Bruce Garrison Advocate (talk) 08:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Bruce - your version was and is excellent. Had a messy email flurry with on of the writers there (Scarpy?). It has come to my attention - that I share with you as the other writers can't see the error. He cannot understand that people are not attacking him when they offer him help.

Here is the error and the fix all in one: All 12-Step organizations are fellowships. They are all legal non-profit corporations, a group of people, an association of persons having similar tastes, interests, etc, fellowships. About half of the 12-Step Fellowships have a program and they are usually, but not always in a book. The other 12-Step Fellowships do not have a program. While they are all 12 step fellowships - they do not all have a 12-step program of recovery. ・ Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of people that works a program found in the Book entitled "Alcoholics Anonymous" which was named after it's founding fellowship. ・ NA is a fellowship that works it's own program - see the NA book. ・ CA (Cocaine Anonymous) is a fellowship that does not have it's own program. CA works the program found in the book, "Alcoholics Anonymous". The CA Book is but a collection of stories, not a "program"of recovery. ・ The fellowship of CMA (Crystal Meth Anonymous) does not have it's own program. It too works the program found in the book, "Alcoholics Anonymous".

SO--Making this simple - All 12-Step organizations are fellowships. Some of them have a program in a book they use, but that does not make them (the fellowships) a program. The program is the 12-steps in the book they use. The AA preamble says "fellowship" -- it does not say "program". We in recovery have made the mistake of this poor choice of words for a long rime. Now people like Talbert (scarpy) continue this thinking and can't wrap the head around the thought process.

About your question above - CMA has chosen not to say "use[s] the 12-Step Recovery Program found in the book, Alcoholics Anonymous"... anymore. The current wording is found on the home page of the CMA website: The Fellowship of Crystal Meth Anonymous works a Twelve Step program of recovery. We have not felt the need to elaborate in great detail a specific CMA approach to the Twelve Steps: too many other excellent outlines already exist for following these spiritual principles. But our experience has shown that without the Steps we could not stay sober. *CMA World Conference 2008

Also the CMA newsletter is now "public", http://www.crystalmeth.org/pmb-555.html - hope you find it informational. Thank you for your time, hugs and good thoughts. PeterMixt 23:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC) Pete S

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