User talk:Perplextase

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Speedy deletion nomination of Waleed Shahid

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A tag has been placed on Waleed Shahid requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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The sources you provided were either by him rather than about him, or WP:UGC, none of them meeting Wikipedia's need for reliable, verifiable, independent sources. He doesn't seem to me to meet the criteria of WP:NPOL. The timing of the article's creation doesn't help either - following so soon after the end of Cynthia Nixon's campaign it could be seen as advertising (WP:G11) for a new job. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 09:38, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you mean by the timing being off -- I didn't realize that would be a concern, and I see what you mean by sources. I'll look into this --Perplextase (talk) 12:52, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Cabayi, I replied to your concerns on the Talk page for Waleed Shahid but I can repeat it here in case you prefer that:

So I've added sources that are not by Waleed Sahid. I think they qualify as sufficient? They also demonstrate his notoriety insofar as he is cited and consulted as an important political organizer by established publications like the Guardian, Washington Post, and the Intercept. Concerning the concern that the timing, right after his position with the Cynthia Campaign, is... awkward, maybe I could remove the blurb about where his writings appear, because that is the most "plug" looking part of the new article. And his notoriety is more as an organizer than author (although he is a prolific author) --Perplextase (talk) 13:13, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about the G11 thing - I only meant it as an aside.

The main concern is about his notability, though notoriety works too :-)

The source publications are fine now, The Guardian & The Washington Post are tip-top sources. The Intercept wasn't one I'd ever heard of, but it's been discussed & accepted at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 218#The Intercept as a source.

However the WaPo quote is merely a re-post of his Twitter post - which is WP:UGC. The Guardian's quote is as co-founder of the group "All of Us", but Wikipedia's All of Us (initiative) seems to be a different group. In the Intercept's material he's a mouthpiece for Justice Democrats.

In none of those three posts is he of interest in himself, just as a mouthpiece for his organisation which were (CN & JD) or were not (AoU) notable themselves.

As an honest appraisal, I don't think he meets WP:NPOL (he's never been elected to public office, and he's just received rent-a-quote coverage rather than anything significant concerning himself), so I'm leaving the deletion tag in place.

In respect of your question about where to leave a message, I think you've chosen wisely in doing both. It needs to be on the article's talk page to contest the deletion where the reviewing administrator will see it. But, if the article is deleted, that discussion will be deleted too. Continuing the discussion here at least leaves pointers should his notability increase and an article about him becomes viable in the future. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 13:55, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

re latest edit: Facebook and Instagram are WP:UGC, carry zero weight, and may be counterproductive. Cabayi (talk) 14:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks for clarifying I will take out the instagram parts, and see about the user generated comments. So about the subject of the articles. I think the articles are about certain movements in the Democratic party and although the articles are not _about_ Waleed Shahid per se, they are about a movement that he is demonstratively involved in, important for, and a mouth piece for. So I figured they counted? --Perplextase (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So about his notability, I see your concern. I guess I'm no authority on what makes someone "notable" but I do see him quoted and referenced as an important source for certain activities (Political activities). To further show his significance/notability, I included a reference to the PAC All of Us he co-founded which is found linked to in Wikipedia, but it is currently not created yet as a page, found here List of Political Action Committees. Would created a stub for that organization, as referenced by the Gaurdian, be a good idea? As co-founder of an organization (which became a part of the Justice Democrats) I figure his notability points go up? :) --Perplextase (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK ya so I found an article on CNN about the Progressive wing of the Democratic party, and how Waleed is apart of that movement (notably) insofar as he is a co-founder of an organization/PAC, is this relevant? --Perplextase (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again :), so I thought I should mention the Gaurdian article aforementioned not only quotes Waleed several times, but also the article is about the movement he is a part of and the organization(s) he co-founded. He is shown to be one of the activist significantly organizing in this area. --Perplextase (talk) 14:47, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not sure that he makes the grade, but it's no longer as clear cut as it seemed at first. I've removed the WP:A7 deletion tag as it doesn't seem appropriate anymore, and tagged the article as unreviewed so someone else can take a look.

In the Gadgets section of Special:Preferences there's a gadget called ProveIt which if you enable it will provide a tool which can take a URL and format a reference with all the whistles and bells. I think you may find it useful. Regards, Cabayi (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll definitely check out the gadget, and the fillin tool you used to make the references better, thanks, best, --Perplextase (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Waleed Shahid for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Waleed Shahid is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waleed Shahid until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Bearcat (talk) 07:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This edit to the Waleed Shahid deletion discussion

I'm guessing you struck the wrong vote here? _signed,Rosguill ^talk 06:40, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rosguill... yeah I'm not sure what I should have done. I really thought the article could have succeeded, and still might later on! but I was spending too much effort on what felt was an uphill battle... so I thought I'd let it go for now :( -- I'm not new to wikipedia, but I'm new to creating articles, do you think I should have stood my ground? Perplextase (talk) 04:46, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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