User talk:Penultimate6

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for your work on updating the pages in Category:Events in track and field. Habst (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

Hello. I would like to inform you that you are currently involved in edit warring. To reach a compromise, all debatable information has been removed. Thank you! Awakenedbookworm (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2024

Hi Penultimate6! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of 100 metres several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:100 metres, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. MightyWarrior (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about record definitions

Hi, you undid my edit about pole vault all-time 25 and I'm confused as to why. Could you explain what you mean by "ancillary marks"? LivLovisa (talk) 10:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, an ancillary mark is a performance en route to the final mark in a single competition. World Athletics considers only the best mark (final mark) in their statistics. Penultimate6 (talk) 10:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I understand why it was reverted. LivLovisa (talk) 20:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Penultimate6 (talk) 06:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Punctuation of captions

Per your reversion of my edit at Heights of presidents and presidential candidates of the United States, I wanted to make sure you were clear on the Wikipedia policy. From the style guide (relevant section at MOS:CAPFRAG), "If any complete sentence occurs in a caption... that caption should end with a period or full stop." Just a heads up. Thanks, Jessicapierce (talk) 01:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full quote from Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Captions: "Most captions are not complete sentences, but merely sentence fragments, which should not end with a period or full stop. If any complete sentence occurs in a caption, then all sentences, and any sentence fragments, in that caption should end with a period or full stop." Penultimate6 (talk) 06:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So there is no strict rule on it. Penultimate6 (talk) 06:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid you are misreading it. The guidelines, exactly as you quote, state that sentence fragments do not take a period. However, complete sentences (such as the complete-sentence captions at the article in question - is this where our miscommunication is happening?), or captions which are a combination of complete sentences and sentence fragments, do take periods. "Lincoln was six feet tall" is a complete sentence, and requires end punctuation.

I am happy to let this go at this point, as it is super unimportant and not worth an edit war, but please understand the guidelines, moving forward. Jessicapierce (talk) 06:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere is written "stand-alone sentences have to end with a period in captions". I can't find this guideline, and will continue to revert you. You shortened the quote and distorted its meaning! Penultimate6 (talk) 06:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly do not want to argue about this, but would like to make one more attempt to see if we can understand each other.

I do not believe that I distorted the meaning of the original, by shortening the quote to a pertinent section. But fair enough, let's look at the original text. Here's the exact quote from the MOS, which you included above. There are two parts; let's look at them separately.

"Most captions are not complete sentences, but merely sentence fragments, which should not end with a period or full stop."

This is saying that the majority of captions are incomplete sentences, just fragments, which do not need a period. An example of this would be:

Lincoln, tallest president (fragment)

"If any complete sentence occurs in a caption, then all sentences, and any sentence fragments, in that caption should end with a period or full stop."

This is saying that there are two instances where a caption does need a period: if the whole caption is one complete sentence, or if it's a combination of complete sentences and fragments. This is the specific part of the guideline I've been referring to, and the one I think you aren't seeing. It says right there: "should end with." Examples of this would be:

Lincoln was the tallest president. (complete sentence)

1861 photo. (fragment) Lincoln was the tallest president. (complete sentence)

Again, I honestly have no wish for an argument, and hope you read this in the spirit in which it was written. Jessicapierce (talk) 14:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A single sentence in a caption does not require punctuation. You don't seem to understand the quote. Penultimate6 (talk) 15:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's look at this another way. What situation is being described in the following quote? When the MOS says "should end with a period," what sort of caption do you think it is referring to? Clearly periods are ok on some captions, and I'm curious as to what you think those captions would be.

"If any complete sentence occurs in a caption, then all sentences, and any sentence fragments, in that caption should end with a period or full stop." Jessicapierce (talk) 15:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]