User talk:Penkyamp/Archive 1

Welcome!

Hello, Penkyamp, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! --Jose77 (talk) 06:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salar Test-Wikipedia

Hi Penkyamp,

I see that you have submitted a proposal for the creation of Salar Wikipedia. Have you notified them about this project at the Salar forum?

If so, could you also ask them to help translate these texts into the Salar language?

欢迎您来撒拉语Wikipedia!

这边是让人试验撒拉语的Wikipedia。欢迎你来贡献写撒拉语。等到著作的文章满足了，撒拉语Wikipedia就会获准成立，全部德内容正做下搬去正式的Wikipedia。在试验个Wikipedia，文章的标题必须用[[Wp/slr/Name of article]] 的样式。例如，「撒拉语」该篇文章的标题就是wp/slr/Salarçe Dili。（在正式德Wikipedia的标题当然是[[Salarçe Dili]]。）

--Jose77 05:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good News

The Request for Salar Wikipedia has been verified as eligible.

This means that to qualify for final approval, the following two criteria needs to be meet:

There needs to be an active Salar Test-Wikipedia on Wikimedia Incubator.
These MediaWiki interface messages Interface messages must be translated into the Salar language.

To translate those system messages, they need to follow these steps. --Jose77 (talk) 05:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sx Gym

Sx Gym and Sx Exercise workout on Spike TV

http://www.spike.com/video/sex-workout-video/2934366

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=sexercise+gym&btnG=Search&meta=

Hanzi - Latinised automatic transliteration of Cantonese Wikipedia

There may be the possiblity of setting up a Hanzi - Latinised automatic transliteration of Cantonese Wikipedia on the same principle as it works in Kazakh Wikipedia. (see more info, Kazakh converter)

However we need an Cantonese native speaker to help us write the comparative table with letters and transliteration rules. Then we can create such converter.

If you wish to help us, contact us.

(original message written by Kprwiki 10:55, 26 10-Ay 2009 (UTC)

Romanization for Shanghainese

Dear friend:

I invite you to take part in this debate. Thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Rjanag/Latin_phonetic_method_of_Shanghainese#User:Rjanag.2FLatin_phonetic_method_of_Shanghainese

--ZHU Yeyi (talk) 20:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

廣東話拼音字典?

Hi Penkyamp,

Is there a "廣東話拼音字典"?

For example:

--Jose77 (talk) 03:25, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Penkyamp/Embassy

A tag has been placed on User:Penkyamp/Embassy, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

Just one big linkfarm

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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hang on}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Green Giant (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your email

Hi Penkyamp,

Could you leave me your email address? I wish to contact you via email because you don't edit on Wikipedia on a regular basis so it would be quicker for me to talk to you via email. --Jose77 (talk) 01:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

penk_yamp@yahoo.com

Cantonese phonology

Vowels and terminals

Finals (or rimes) are the part of the sound after the initial. A final is typically composed of a main vowel (nucleus) and a terminal (coda). There are 53 finals (including the two syllabic nasals^[1]) for all the sounds of the Cantonese dialect.

A main vowel can be long or short, depending on vowel length. This is the only indispensble part of a syllable. A terminal can be a tail vowel, a nasal consonant, or a stop consonant. Finals with no terminal are called open finals.

The following chart lists all possible finals in Cantonese as represented in IPA.

V	aː 沙		ɛː 些		iː 詩		ɔː 疏		uː 夫		œː 鋸		yː 書		Ø
	Long	Short	Long	Short	Long	Short	Long	Short	Long	Short	Long	Short	Long	Short	Ø
-i / -y	aːi 街	ɐi 雞		ei 你			ɔːy 愛		uːy 會			ɵy 水⁴
-u	aːu 教	ɐu 夠	ɛːu¹		iːu 了			ou 好
-m	aːm 衫	ɐm 深	ɛːm¹		iːm 點										m̩² 唔
-n	aːn 山	ɐn 新			iːn 見		ɔːn 看		uːn 歡			ɵn 准⁴	yːn 遠
-ŋ	aːŋ 橫	ɐŋ 宏	ɛːŋ 鏡	eŋ 敬	iŋ³ 点		ɔːŋ 方	oŋ 風			œːŋ 傷				ŋ̩² 五
-p	aːp 插	ɐp 輯	ɛːp¹		iːp 接
-t	aːt 達	ɐt 突	ɛːt¹		iːt 結		ɔːt 渴		uːt 沒		œːt 曰	ɵt 出⁴	yːt 血
-k	aːk 百	ɐk 北	ɛːk 錫	ek 亦			ɔːk 國	ok 六			œːk 著

¹Finals [ɛːu], [ɛːm], [ɛːp] only appear in colloquial pronunciations of characters, while [ɛːt] is restricted to loans and de novo coinages. They are absent from some analyses and romanization systems.

²Syllabic nasals: [m̩] [ŋ̩]

The stop consonants (/p, t, k/) are unreleased ([p̚, t̚, k̚]).

³Only appears in allophonic variants of syllables like “点，边” when in compounds like “点解”，“边个” as the syllables that immediately follow “点” and “边” begin with the consonant [k].

⁴[ɵ] is an allophonic variant of [o], both variants of the same phoneme, which only appears as [ɵ] before a final palatal or aveolar (semi-)consonant [y], [t], or [n], but as [o] otherwise.

Based on the chart above, the following pairs of vowels are usually considered to be allophones:

[ɛː] - [e], [iː] - [ɪ], [ɔː] - [o], [uː] - [ʊ], and [œː] - [ɵ].

Although that satisfies the minimal pair requirement, some linguists find it difficult to explain why the coda affects the vowel length. They recognize the following two allophone groups instead:

[e] - [ɪ] and [o] - [ʊ] - [ɵ].

The main vowels /ɪ/, /ʊ/ and /ɵ/ are pronounced more like [e̝], [o̝] and [ɵ̞].

In that way, the phoneme set consists of seven long vowels and three short vowels that are in contrast with three of the long vowels, as presented in the following chart:

V	aː		ɔː		ɛː		iː	uː	œː	yː	Ø
	Long	Short	Long	Short	Long	Short	Long	Long	Long	Long	Ø
-i / -y	aːi	ɐi	ɔːi	ɵy		ei		uːi
-u	aːu	ɐu		ou			iːu
-m	aːm	ɐm					iːm				m̩
-n	aːn	ɐn	ɔːn	ɵn			iːn	uːn		yːn
-ŋ	aːŋ	ɐŋ	ɔːŋ	ʊŋ	ɛːŋ	ɪŋ			œːŋ		ŋ̩
-p	aːp	ɐp					iːp
-t	aːt	ɐt	ɔːt	ɵt			iːt	uːt		yːt
-k	aːk	ɐk	ɔːk	ʊk	ɛːk	ɪk			œːk

When the three checked tones are separated, the codas -p, -t and -k become allophones of the nasal codas -m, -n and -ŋ respectively, because they are in the complementary distribution in which the former three appear in the checked tones and the latter three appear in the non-checked tones. That explains the distribution of codas well.

Automatic transliteration tool for Cantonese Wikipedia now possible

Dear Penkyamp,

Do you wish see all the articles on Cantonese Wikipedia to be able to be automatically be converted to Romanised Cantonese at the click of a button? (similar to this Hakka tool)

I know how to have it implemented however I do not speak Cantonese so you and your Cantonese community group will first need to translate these 6,621 most commonly used chinese characters into the Romanised Cantonese (ie. Penkyamp). Note that I have already translated the first 927 of those characters (ie. 14% of 6,621) based on the words found on your Userpages.

After you have finished translating the 6,621 character list, please leave a message at my talk page to inform that me that you have completed the translation. Thank you. --S205645 (talk) 02:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

^ The nasal consonants [m] and [η] can occur as base syllables in their own right, and are thus known as syllabic nasals.

[1] The nasal consonants [m] and [η] can occur as base syllables in their own right, and are thus known as syllabic nasals.

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