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AHA dog story

Hi, while doing the rewrite for AHA, we (me and cartick) agreed not to use Tamil Tribune site as a source, as it has been contested as a RS and as a POV source before many times (because of the inflammatory separatist statements it carries).The chennaionline link has copied it from Tamil Tribune. The dog story as far as i can determine comes from one of Anna's medai speeches and not his Rajya Sabha speeches. I am looking for a book reference (and will eventually find it, when i go through enough library books). We are aiming to take the article eventually to FA status and Tamil Tribune or Chennaionline would not be acceptable to FA reviewers as sources. I will remove the story for now. I will DEFINITELY add it back, when i find a published book that mentions the story.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:59, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Also please reply in the article's talk page, as it would be good to archive our discussions there. Thanks!--Sodabottle (talk) 06:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

i said so cause when i met a few Indian govt staffs abroad one female asked me how could i be an Indian without knowing Hindi & her spouse said the it wasnt me who ta reason but our ancestors & leader's who did the mistakes & to be blamed ....then in reply i said tht i would better spend time & memory in learning french , the Spanish or the Japanese or the German as English alone is enough to live in India & if i happen to settle in the north of the nation anytime then i may goahead with learning their regional languages like Hindi ......& even if i would wish to learn a regional language i shld first learn Telugu or the other southern languages ......--Doctor muthu's muthu wanna talk ? 10:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any proof that Gautam Menon's mother is Tamil. don't create your own story. And there is no reference mentioned on that.

You know Trisha is born in Palakkad. i can prove it with her interview. but here(wikpda) it is mentioned Chennai. —Precedingunsigned comment added by122.167.55.171 (talk) 05:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

message safe

Vaise tumhare liye binmangi salah. Shadi ka laddo jo khaye vo bhi pachtaye ,jo na khaye vo bhi pachtaye.

na nau man tel hoga na Radha nachegi, na tum bulaoge aur na mein aaogi

--Doctor muthu's muthu wanna talk ?07:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Two deletion viotes

You have put in two deletion votes at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alka Ajith. Cheers. --Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)



WikiProject India Newsletter Volume V, Issue no. 1 - (June 2010)

Project News

WP:IND Newsletter is back! It's been nearly a year since the last edition, but we hope to bring out issues on a more regular basis now. The India Wikiproject was set up to increasing coverage of India-related topics on Wikipedia, and over the past few months the focus has been on improvingarticle quality. A number of the project'sfeatured articles underwent featured article reviews over the past year. Of these, Darjeeling and Flag of India survived the review process, while the rest were demoted. During the same period, Gangtok, Harbhajan Singh, Darjeeling and Mysore were featured on the main page respectively on August 20, September 17, November 6 and December 29, 2009. Meanwhile, articles on topics as diverse as Political history of Mysore and Coorg (1565–1760), Marwari horse and Iravan were promoted as featured articles, and respectively appeared on the main page on March 25, May 17 and May 28, 2010. Consequently, the number of FA-class articles under the project's scope dropped from 67 in August 2009 to 63 in June 2010. The number of good articles, however, saw a more than 40% increase, from 91 to 130 during the same period, while the number of featured lists saw a 33% increase from 12 to 16.

Due to the recent policy changes regarding unreferenced Biographies of Living People(BLPs), an effort was started in January 2010 to source all unreferenced BLPs coming under Wikiproject India. 1200 such articles were identified initially and more were added to the list later. Due to the sourcing effort, the number of Indian unreferenced BLPs is down to565 currently. During February-April 2010, There was a scale disruption of Kerala related articles by a Thrissur based IP vandal. Editing from a dynamic IP BSNL connection, the vandal changed dates of birth, death and ages of a number of Malayalam and Tamil film actors. Later he added a few international biographies to his list. He also marked some living people like Arvind Swamy as dead. A month long range block was imposed on his IP range two times and each time he came back to vandalise dates once the block expired. Currently the range has been blocked for three months till September 11, 2010.

What's New?
Current proposals and discussions
  • A discussion is underwayhere to reach a consensus regarding the use of Indian number names (lakh, crore etc.) in Wikipedia articles. Please participate and add your comments.
  • A discussion is in progress here in order to determine whether non-Western (including Indian) forms of classical music should be referred to by the nomenclature of art music instead of classical music. Please participate and add your comments.
  • Watchlist the Articles for Deletions page for India related discussions. Opinions from more Indian Wikipedians are required in many of the discussions.

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Tamil Eelam

I note with interest that you reversed my edits on Tamil Eelam. Your rationale was "kindly prove it, i still see scores of people in various country holding the image & shouting slogans, hence the war defeat has nothing to do with the aspiration".

  • Replacement of the infobox has nothing to do with the war defeat and everything to do withWP:NPOV, in particularthe section on biased statements which reads that "a biased statement violates this policy when it is presented as a fact or the truth. It does not necessarily violate this policy when it is presented as an identifiable point of view. It is therefore important to verify it and make every effort possible to add an appropriate citation." Using Infobox Country gives uninformed readers the impression that Tamil Eelam is an existing recognised country. Scores of people holding signs and shouting slogans does not make a country recognised; on the contrary we need to see evidence that other existing recognised countries have extended due recognition to Tamil Eelam, e.g. diplomatic missions, participation in supranational bodies like the UN. Since Tamil Eelam does not have international recognition, it is untrue to present the article as if Tamil Eelam is a country.
  • As far as proving it goes, WP:Verifiability is quite clear that "the burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material" so I'm afraid that it's up to you to prove that Infobox Country should stay. Green Giant (talk) 01:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • I have removed Infobox Country from Tamil Eelam for the reasons I stated above. I realise that perhaps you have been busy in real life and may not have noticed my earlier message, and I feel you should be made aware of my edit. Green Giant (talk) 04:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Username change

Follow the intructions on Wikipedia:Changing username. Thanks Secretaccount 19:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


WikiProject India Newsletter Volume V, Issue no. 2 - November 2010

English WikiProject News

After a missed issue, the WP:IND newsletter is back on track to being a regular bimonthly feature. The Indian WikiProject has seen plenty of online and off-line action, both in English as well as other Indian languages, and we now have a bigger, better format that intends to feature content and news from the English as well as other Indian language Wikipedias.

Reaching out to Indians has been the theme of the Indian Wikiproject over the past couple of months, aiming to involve a greater number of Indians in editing both the English and Indian language Wikipedias. To this end, efforts to set up the Indian chapter of Wikimedia have moved into their final stages, and registration of the society is currently pending. An effort is underway to push for "WikiMarathons" at meetups, where attendees will be encouraged to edit the English and/or Indian language Wikipedias. This is intended to popularise Wikipedia editing among the general public. In addition, abot to post DYK's from the Indian Wikiproject to Twitter was created and launched byUser:Logicwiki.


What's New?

Regrettably, the number of Featured Articles has dropped from 63 in June to 58 at the end of October 2010. Several FAs came up for review and were delisted, while Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India was saved. Meanwhile, Chalukya Dynastyappeared on the main page on July 9, 2010. Hearteningly, the number of Good Articles increased from 130 to 136 during the same period, while the number of Featured Lists remained constant at 16.

The source code for the Article Alert Bot is now available and the bot itself is expected to be up and running very shortly. This means that article alerts for the Indian Wikiproject will again be available, enabling editors to easily keep track of developments in respect of reviews, nominations, deletions etc.

The date change vandal mentioned briefly in the previous issue made a reappearance when the range block on his IP range expired in September. Consequently the block was extended till September 2011.

In October there was a heated [1] in the India project noticeboard regarding the copyright status of the Indian party symbols. The discussion was triggered by the deletion of Wiki San Roze's party symbol images by Hammersoft as copyright violations. No resolution was reached, partly because of our inability to explain to Hammersoft how election symbols in India differ from party logos. Comments are requested from anyone with a background in Indian copyright law to clarify this issue.

Complete To Do List
News from Indian-language Wikipedias
  • The Bengali Wikisource, which contains the literary works of many prominent writers of Bengali language including Rabindranath Tagore, has crossed the 5,000 pages milestone. According to List of Wikisource page, Bengali Wikisource is now at rank 21 among 56 Wikisource based on number of content pages.
The Tamil Wikipedia stall at the World Classical Tamil Conference 2010 in Coimbatore in June 2010.
Jimmy Wales introduces the Malayalam Wikipedia CD of 500 selected articles during his key note address atWikimania 2010 at Gdansk.
  • The Hindi Wikipedia and its sister wiki projects migrated to the new vector interface on September 1, 2010. In addition, Hindi is the first (and so far the only) Indian language to be incorporated into the WikiBhasha translation and contribution toolkit developed by Microsoft Research.


Community news
The first meetup in Delhi on 22 September 2010.

Mumbai and Delhi held their first meetups in September, where Wikimedia Board members Barry Newstead and Bishakha Datta met up with Wikipedians and other interested members of the public in these cities. A month later, Hyderabad also held its first meetup.

Arun Ram,Shiju Alex and Barry Newstead releasing the Wikimedia India community newsletter at the nineteenth Bangalore meetup on 24 September 2010.

Wikipedians in Bangalore continued their tradition of meeting up regularly at theCentre for Internet and Society, with the nineteenth meetup in September featuring Barry and Bishaka as attendees, and marking the release of thecommunity newsletter. Along with Delhi and Mumbai, Bangalore is reported to be one of the three cities in contention for the Indian office of the Wikipedia Foundation.

Jimmy Wales speech at the Mumbai Wikipedia Meetup #3 on 31 October 2010. Intro by User:Bishdatta & User:Arunram. (Recorded byUser:AshLin.)

Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales had an interaction with Wikipedians followed by a presentation to members of the public at the third Wikipedia meetup in Mumbai on October 31, 2010.

The first Wikimarathon, where Wikipedians and members of the public were encouraged to contribute to Wikimedia projects onsite, was held simultaneously at the meetups inBangalore and Chennai on November 14, 2010. Wikipedians inDelhi also held a meetup the same day.

The Malayalam Wikipedia held several academies in different parts of Kerala over the past few months.

Wikimedia Foundation board member Bishakha Datta and Indian WikipedianSrinivas Gunta co-authored a panel presentation at Wikimania 2010 on theAsia Project.

Current proposals and discussions
  • This interesting discussion on the quality of editing in India-related articles has been underway for on the noticeboard a few days. Feel free to join in and express your opinion.

If you've just joined, add your name to the Members section of Wikipedia:WikiProject India. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy!

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Tinucherian (Distributor)


This newsletter incorporates content from the WikiMedia India Community Newsletter, September 2010.

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