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Your submission at Articles for creation: Medway Christ Episcopal Church (May 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by EDG 543 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

All sources are official site. Please include refs to independent sources.

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Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 17:22, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Peaches4free! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 17:22, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Medway Christ Episcopal Church (May 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Qwerfjkl were:

This submission provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject matter. Please see the guide to writing better articles for information on how to better format your submission.

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Medway Christ Episcopal Church and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Medway Christ Episcopal Church, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 20:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Qwerfjkl: I am sorry - I am very new here. I was just looking to create a page about a semi-famous local architect and all of the buildings he created in my town. I wanted to start with his latest works, but I have subsequently been told that there aren't reliable sources - these are primary sources, some from over 130 years ago - one from a book written by the person who commissioned the project and another by a survey of the land commissioned by the town. There are many physical print books about this. Can I reference those? I don't want to spend too much time on this if it is not going to work anyway. I have also been told that churches don't get articles - but that is clearly not true, there are loads of churches that do, I guess this one may just not reach the required level of interest. Its a big deal for the town, but perhaps not outside of the town. Anyway, I don't even know if this response will get to you (or anyone) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peaches4free (talk • contribs)

Peaches4free, I don't know who told you that churches don't get articles, but you definitely should not take their advice anymore. You are allowed to use primary sources, "but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them." Please read over this section for specific guidelines regarding primary sources. Per WikiProject Religion, "presumption of notability for a religious structure or building depends wholly on the existence of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." This means that, while primary sources are good, you should include secondary sources as well, meaning sources that have no connection to the church whatsoever. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 14:33, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Qwerfjkl: Thank you for the information here. I initially included some secondary sources, but most of the information is contained on sites maintained by the town or the church itself. There are a few books written, but not a lot of web-based secondary sources - hence trying to get information up here. I will read what you have posted here and try to absorb it. There is almost too much information given on the guidelines, I sometimes think it actually makes it harder to understand than if there was less information.

Out of curiosity, are you an admin/mod here? Do you approve a bunch of new articles, or did you just randomly stumble across this one?

Thanks for your help by the way!

Peaches4free (talk) 18:26, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an admin, I use the AfC script to approve new articles, and chose a random 0-day-old article. Thanks for adding sources! ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 18:50, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Medway Christ Episcopal Church

Hello, Peaches4free. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Medway Christ Episcopal Church, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 21:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Medway Christ Episcopal Church

Hello, Peaches4free. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Medway Christ Episcopal Church".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]