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Thank you Shalor I appreciate it. Still trying to get the hang of things. Pbnj1518 (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

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Lead

WP:LEAD recommends a 4 paragraph overview of the topic in question.

Your changes broke all the references aswell.

What do you think is wrong with the current content? It is all well referenced... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HI Doc James, Thank you for your warm welcome. I am still working on the introduction. I did take suggestions from other pages where the introductions were small or just a couple of concise sentences. So is a 4 paragraph intro necessary? As for what was wrong with the content, nothing was 'wrong" per se, it was just really messy and too much detail for an introduction I felt. I think there is a more concise introduction to this topic that can give a good overview of the condition without confusing the reader, especially for an introduction and considering that there are dedicated wiki pages for the specific forms of sleep apnea.

Could you please advise or direct me to a page where I can understand what you mean by references being broken?

I am looking at the page right now and all the references by the previous user are still there.

Thank you Pbnj1518 (talk) 04:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

We generally have 4 paragraph overviews that touch on all aspects of the disease in question. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Could you please explain the references being broken? I still don't understand that. I also see that this section was edited was that you? I was under the impression that edits should be explained in the talk page of the article so that other editors can understand and benefit from that. Are you working on this page as well or this is a quality control type of thing? Thanks. Pbnj1518 (talk) 19:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

Yes I also work on this article. And yes this is also quality control.

This is the text you added "'''Sleep apnea''', also spelled '''sleep apnoea''', is a [[sleep disorder]] where a person experiences brief interruptions in breathing resulting in either complete stoppage of breathing or very shallow breathing.[[Sleep Apnea#cite note-NIH2012What-1|[1]]]Each episode can last for a few seconds to a few minutes and they happen many times a night.[[Sleep Apnea#cite note-NIH2012What-1|[1]]]Causes for these interruptions can be anatomical obstructions or a disruption in the way the brain signaling that controls the breathing. Apneic spells are characterized by very loud snoring, choking and snorting. People with sleep apnea may not be aware they have it and are often reported by a family member."

A bunch of text is missing references and the reference that are present do not work. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I was actually just adding on the text that was already there. The first sentence was part of the original content. I thought the citation went through when I added the other sentences but I guess it didn't go through properly. Pbnj1518 (talk) 19:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

Please note that trying to copy and paste text around Wikipedia with visual editor does not work very well. That is probably were you ran into problems. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ok that makes sense. maybe that is what is going on. I will look into it. Thank you. Pbnj1518 (talk) 19:57, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

Lots go through this bit by bit

You added

"Preventive measures can include lifestyle changes such as weight loss, avoiding alcohol and medications that can suppress breathing.^[1]"

The ref is this https://web.archive.org/web/20160827160600/http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/sleepapnea/treatment

It makes no mention of alcohol... Can you provide an exact quote. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:44, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

sure here it is, it is from a MedlinePlus article. Lifestyle changes may help relieve symptoms in people with mild sleep apnea, such as:

Avoid alcohol or medicines that make you sleepy before bedtime. They can make symptoms worse. Avoid sleeping on your back. Lose excess weight. Pbnj1518 (talk) 19:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

when I went to add the MedlinePlus article, it added it as reference "1" so I am still learning how to add that properly. Pbnj1518 (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

That was not the reference you used. You used the reference I linked. Can you add the url you are trying to use here. Please have a read of WP:MEDHOW. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

yes I am trying to figure out why every time I add the URL to the MedlinePlus article it gives it a position of "1" on the reference list. Learning still. Pbnj1518 (talk) 19:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

If you add the url HERE than we can discuss. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000811.htm Pbnj1518 (talk) 19:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

I also don't understand why the sentence A type of CSA was described in the German myth of Ondine's curse where the person when asleep would forget to breathe.[11] keeps getting put back in? I was trying to delete this and its back in because I don't really see the relevance except that its an interesting point. Is there a significance to this sentence to the topic that I am missing? Pbnj1518 (talk) 20:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

This source https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000811.htm is ADAM and is not very good. It is not by the way produce by the NIH but bought by them.

Wikipedia also covers history and cultural aspects of disease. Ondine's curse is a historical cultural aspect. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ok thank you. I will look for a better source for the prevention of sleep apnea. I frankly don't think a "myth" constitutes as relevant to anyone looking to get a better understanding of what sleep apnea is. I don't think its a big deal if we let that edit of mine go through. Pbnj1518 (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

here is a link an uptodate article on prevention methods. https://www.uptodate.com/contents/management-of-obstructive-sleep-apnea-in-adults?search=sleep%20apnea&source=search_result&selectedTitle=4~150&usage_type=default&display_rank=4. Will this be ok? Pbnj1518 (talk) 21:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

Uptodate is not a great reference as one cannot link to a static version. By the way you continue to break the references...

We are more than just a medical textbook. It is relevant to the history of medicine. It does not really need to be removed. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:19, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I felt that since its not a historical fact it doesn't really belong there. It almost sounds silly reading that. Its a historical myth not a fact. But if it is that important I guess. Pbnj1518 (talk) 13:21, 24 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

also we were told sources like MedlinePlus and uptodate were good sources to use as long as we didn't just copy and paste. you don't like any of the sources I have cited, would you mind sharing sources that you don't have problems with? Pbnj1518 (talk) 13:22, 24 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

could you also please link to where I broke the references? I am on the history page and I don't see anything since my last edit?13:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518 (talk)Pbnj1518

Hum who told you ADAM was a good source?

Uptodate is not very good as 1) it is tough to access 2) one cannot reference a static version 3) it is not archived by internet archies like other sources. WP:MEDRS explains what sort of sources we prefer. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:32, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You have added "breathing resulting in either complete stoppage of breathing or very shallow breathing.[[Sleep Apnea#cite%20note-NIH2012What-1|[1]]]" That last bit of text was copied and pasted from somewhere it appears. Doing copy and pastes with visual editor often breaks stuff (ie you cannot copy and paste with visual editor). We have one line about the history and culture (which includes mythology of sleep apnea) in the lead. Do you have another bit of history you would prefer? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:35, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

yes I copy pasted from my sandbox. I often edit in there before bringing it to the page. It seems visual editor and me together break things often. I will keep that in mind. Pbnj1518 (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Pbnj1518[reply]

Yup. Try adding some references to the risk factor section to start with. Here are some decent sources

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30970189

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31078212

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:41, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This could be another useful source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28143688 being about both central and obstructive sleep apnea.

As is this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29779616 Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:45, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]