User talk:Pbl1998/Archive 2-My Block Case

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Block

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Pbl1998 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have been accused of Sockpuppetry. By this I mean I have been accused of being a sockpuppet of Willrocks10-which I most certainly am not. I would like to be unblocked because I am totally innocent in this. It is my account and thats been taken away from me for something I most certainly didn't do. Please, Please take this into consideration.Thanks, pbl1998--Pbl1998 (talk) 14:34, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Not only have you been abusing multiple accounts, you have done so in the most offensive way: using multiple accounts in an attempt to feign consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Woking. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 15:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

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{{unblock| reason = I have to say, while there is no love lost between Willrocks10 and myself, I'm not convinced that the right decision has been made with regards pbl1998. Wokingrocks was definitely a sock, and a very unsubtle one at that (it was me who reported that to SPI). But Willrocks10 and pbl1998 have argued and edit warred with each other over these articles, see for example the BAT/b.a.t back and forth on Export house. diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402178188 pbl says bat diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402686199 willrocks says B.A.T diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=prev&oldid=402686780 pbl says bat again diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402686922 WR B.A.T diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402853671 pbl bat diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402853815 WR B.A.T diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402854828 pbl bat diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402854923 WR B.A.T diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402855027 pbl bat diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=403384839 WR B.A.T There are other examples elsewhere, e.g. reverting each others comments and making personal attacks in the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Woking|AfD for tallest buildings in Woking]]. So for pbl to be a sock would imply a high level of sophistication from Willrocks10 in creating a plausible false persona, and to have done so prior to any of the edit controversey arising. This is of course possible, but given his otherwise almost total ignorance of wikipeida policy and convention, plus the very obvious way the Wokingrocks sock was created and used, I find it hard to beleive. If Willrocks was that knowledgable and sophisticated in gaming Wikipedia, they wouldn't have ploughed so hard into the rules and consensus in a way that was obviously not going to work if you have any knowledge of wikipedia. I think that they are real world friends, who decided in the real world to collaborate on wikipedia editing. I also think they are likely at school together (probably in Woking), so the times when they could edit could be similar (lunch break, etc) and they could be using a common IP, e.g. a school library. As for Jargonia, their only contribution was to oppose Willrocks in AfD, so it makes no sense for them to be a sock. More likely this is a third student who saw over thier shoulder what they were doing and jumped on to give them a hard time. I find that a lot more plausible than the sock explanation. I'm not sorry to see Willrocks10 blocked, thier contributions have been disruptive and often uncivil, PBL1998 also has a lot to learn about wikipedia, but hasn't been as obnoxious as Willrocks and I really don't think is a sock. I don't know any of them in real life, and PBL hasn't asked me to put in this unblock request on thier behalf, I've just been following all this and think the wrong call has been made about this account being a sock.--[[User:ThePaintedOne|ThePaintedOne]] ([[User talk:ThePaintedOne|talk]]) 10:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)}}

Generally, an unblock request should only be made by the blocked user, especially since you have indicated they did not ask you to do this. You are of course free to assist them either here or by email in formulating a request of their own. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

PBL, if you want to try for another unblock, you need to provide evidence of behaviour which demonstrates you aren't the same people. Just making an appeal without evidence or solid argument isn't going to get anywhere. I think the diffs I quoted above would do the trick, but its up to you to put that together into an appeal. Assuming you aren't Willrocks10 than is. All the best. --ThePaintedOne (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Pbl1998 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Yes I will admit I know Willrocks10 and I have been saying to him his posts have been rude, like the one he sent to Arriva436. I also know Jargonia-he is as innocent as I am. As you can i had been arguing with him on a page before. Here is the evidence:

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402178188 pbl says bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402686199 willrocks says B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=prev&oldid=402686780 pbl says bat again

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402686922 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402853671 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402853815 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402854828 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402854923 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402855027 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=403384839 WR B.A.T

This is our most common quarrel. Anyway we can identify Willrocks10 is the persons, you can probably guess their name, main account. I have had pbl1998 for longer than he's had his 'main' account-I would say that is another reason. I am 100% innocent. Please, Please unblock me.

Thanks, pbl1998--Pbl1998 (talk) 11:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Decline reason:

If that's the case, would you care to explain how two checkusers, independent of one another, have previously linked you to all those other accounts and how all these accounts that are connected to you turned up to vote in the same discussion? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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Pbl1998 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Hi, To start of with, I want to make sure you know this, I've been the one accused of being a sockpuppet not creating sockpuppets. Awnsering the question above-Me and Wilrocks10 were doing this page together. Wokingrocks I agree is a sockpuppet, at least I think, and Jargonia I know aswell-He is not a Sockpuppet. I did not realise he was who he was until quite late on in the discussion. I am 100% independent from Willrocks, I do not back him on everything as you can see by this evidence:-diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402178188 pbl says bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402686199 willrocks says B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=prev&oldid=402686780 pbl says bat again

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402686922 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402853671 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402853815 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402854828 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402854923 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402855027 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=403384839 WR B.A.T

I am starting to get really annoyed with this. I am innocent. I have been draged in to all this and I haven't done anything wrong.

Thanks, pbl1998--Pbl1998 (talk) 20:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You admit to have abused multiple accounts, namely, at least one sockpuppet: Wokingrocks. Since you do not provide convincing assurances that this will not reoccur, and also because a sample of your contributions has shown them to be of so poor a quality as to be broadly useless, if not disruptive, you remain blocked. Sandstein 20:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

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A note for the reviewing admin. It was me who originally reported Willrocks10 to SPI for the blatant use of a sockpuppet with the user account Wokingrocks. However, I think a mistake has been made with PBL1998 (and Jargonia for that matter, not that they are contesting their block). What we have here are three schoolkids who live in Woking, two of whom have collaborated in real life to edit Woking articles on Wikipedia together. This is why they have edited the same articles and voted together in AfD, as they collaborated to create the articles being deleted. The third (Jargonia) is not a friend of thiers and thier only contribution to wikipedia has been to vote against Willrocks10 in AfD (making it improbable for them to be a sock). All three are at the same school together and using common IT facilities at that school, hence the comon IP addresses. I've been watching most of the articles they edit for the last month or so, and from that it is very apparent that PBL and Willrocks are seperate people, e.g. the example of edit warring shown above. Willrocks has also shown a great lack of knowledge about wikipedia policy and procedure in nearly all his editing, for PBL to be a genuine sock would indicate a quite sophisticated attempt to game the system, e.g. fake edit warring and fake arguments with himself, which I find highly unlikely given all his other behaviour. In fact Wokingrocks, the sock I reported, was much more what I would expect, being completely obvious in behaviour and not in any way subtle, hence it was blocked per WP:DUCK. It's also worth noting that PBL was editing for some time before the Willrocks account came into existence. If you review the edit history rather than just checkuser, I really think it's clear they are not the same person.--ThePaintedOne (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Block review

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Pbl1998 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Hi,

I have had a chat to my friend and he has admitted that Wokingrocks was a Sockpuppet. I have not abused multiple accounts that was my friend. Please understand that that was not me-It was my friend. If anyone should be blocked it should not be me. I also have someone backing me with vital evidence that I'm not a sockpuppet and are different people. Also, I will make better contribution to Wikipedia as time go's by. I hope you understand this. '

A note for the reviewing admin. It was me who originally reported Willrocks10 to SPI for the blatant use of a sockpuppet with the user account Wokingrocks. However, I think a mistake has been made with PBL1998 (and Jargonia for that matter, not that they are contesting their block). What we have here are three schoolkids who live in Woking, two of whom have collaborated in real life to edit Woking articles on Wikipedia together. This is why they have edited the same articles and voted together in AfD, as they collaborated to create the articles being deleted. The third (Jargonia) is not a friend of thiers and thier only contribution to wikipedia has been to vote against Willrocks10 in AfD (making it improbable for them to be a sock). All three are at the same school together and using common IT facilities at that school, hence the comon IP addresses. I've been watching most of the articles they edit for the last month or so, and from that it is very apparent that PBL and Willrocks are seperate people, e.g. the example of edit warring shown above. Willrocks has also shown a great lack of knowledge about wikipedia policy and procedure in nearly all his editing, for PBL to be a genuine sock would indicate a quite sophisticated attempt to game the system, e.g. fake edit warring and fake arguments with himself, which I find highly unlikely given all his other behaviour. In fact Wokingrocks, the sock I reported, was much more what I would expect, being completely obvious in behaviour and not in any way subtle, hence it was blocked per WP:DUCK. It's also worth noting that PBL was editing for some time before the Willrocks account came into existence. If you review the edit history rather than just checkuser, I really think it's clear they are not the same person.--ThePaintedOne (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

This is some infomation that is, to be honest, pretty true. I also have some evidence to show that we have been quarreling on pages for a bit. It is below:- diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402178188 pbl says bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402686199 willrocks says B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=prev&oldid=402686780 pbl says bat again

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402686922 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402853671 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402853815 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402854828 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402854923 WR B.A.T

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=402855027 pbl bat

diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Export_House&diff=next&oldid=403384839 WR B.A.T

This is some evidence that also, I hope, backs me and my case. I have NOT abused multiple accounts, that, like I've said before, is Willrocks. I am innocent. I can't say I won't do it again because I haven't done anything wrong. I do not break the rules. I am just an innocent party wanting to edit and contribute to Wikipedia again. It's so frustrating!!!!!

Thanks, pbl1998--Pbl1998 (talk) 13:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Following a discussion with several other admins, we've decided to unblock your account. Please keep your edits topical, neutral, and to our standards. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

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