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Journalist request
Hi! I’m a public radio reporter working on a story about the challenges of editing Wiki pages related to Palestine and Israel in the current moment. I’m hoping to interview some active editors about their experiences right now. Can you email mdalton at ct public dot org? Appreciate all your efforts so much! 69.126.242.38 (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Year pages: Domestic events and astronomical event etc inclusion
Why not include domestic events, notable astronomical events, etc in future year pages? First, these events are included in event lists of past years. Second, I just don’t see the point of omitting them, there aren’t very many non domestic events to include anyways, and you’d expect any international events included, people would know of anyways CoastRedwood (talk) 22:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- It was decided close to five years ago that we wouldn't include eclipses in main year articles. As far as domestic events go, every country has a respective year page ie 2024 in the United States, 2024 in China, etc.
- The point of omitting most domestic events is Wikipedia tends to only focus on western countries, limiting domestic events to their respective country articles allows editors to contribute evenly for each one. PaulRKil (talk) 13:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Why shouldn’t construction projects be included though? CoastRedwood (talk) 12:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Also I should add: why do events in future year pages have to be notable? And some of the entries you removed seem notable enough anyways. CoastRedwood (talk) 12:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Why do editors insist on omitting so many categories of events from the year pages? Not just eclipses, but construction projects, software decommissionings, probably more. CoastRedwood (talk) 12:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Users insist on omitting or including so many categories because those same users have reached consensus on what merits inclusion in the past as I have said with eclipses. I'm generally open to making changes to inclusion criteria but as I have always referred to rubrics such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Years/criteria for inclusion criteria. As I've said, consensus exists regarding a majority of items that have been removed. I have even opened a discussion for reconsidering events like the UEFA tournaments because you're not the only one interested in their inclusion.
- And to note, some of the events I listed did not have a source to back up the year as was the case with New Horizons.
- I'd also prefer that you go to the talkpage for each year, go to the the years talkpage, or the editors talkpage instead of using the edit notes to call out other editors. PaulRKil (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- There’s quite a few unsourced things in Wikipedia overall. There isn’t a strict rule for sourcing content in the rest of Wikipedia. CoastRedwood (talk) 01:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- “There isn’t a strict rule for sourcing content in the rest of Wikipedia.”
- That is simply not true Wikipedia:Reliable Sources outlines the need for things to be spruced. PaulRKil (talk) 01:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I mean it’s only a guideline. Just looking at pretty much any one random article you will probably find quite a few things that aren’t sourced at all (and then some more which aren’t reliably sourced). As far as I know sourcing added content is a guideline, not a requirement. Although I haven’t actually read the page, so the observations I pointed out could just mean a lot of editors break the rulesCoastRedwood (talk) 10:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- There’s quite a few unsourced things in Wikipedia overall. There isn’t a strict rule for sourcing content in the rest of Wikipedia. CoastRedwood (talk) 01:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
In response to this revert, I see that you have cited an essay. As it clearly says on the top of the page, a essayBlocked Sock PaulRKil (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)contains .. advice or opinions
andis not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community.
The essay in question was authored by a single editor. Both other editors who made further edits added disclaimers stating that the essay held no weight as policy. 1, 2
I would like to draw your attention to a community discussion where it was made very clear that the community found hand-waving and citing of nonexistent consensus unacceptable on WP:YEARS related pages. I strongly recommend that you take some time to review the discussion I've linked before making any more edits. I also suggest you think very carefully about what edits you make in the future. Please consider this a formal warning from me. 33ABGirl (talk) 15:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Blocked Sock PaulRKil (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've never been a fan of the unofficial "international notability" requirement that was the crux of that community discussion and that's never been my reasoning for removing content but the idea that there is no consensus on many of my reverts is simply not true. I used the essay because it seemed to reflect consensus in archived discussions and I misread an archived discussion where users discussed moving the essay to the years homepage which I had incorrectly concluded that users found it to be an acceptable rubric for what gets included.
- For that, I apologize but consensus seems to exist for many of the edits including public domain and eclispes for example. Regarding sporting events, I've personally opened an RfC regarding them. I could create a new RfC for every edit you've taken issue with but I'd personally find it overkill.
- For other edits, they simply lack sources and I cant find anything to support them such as the olympics vote entry or the sources contradict the statement being made as in the case with Artemis. If you want a fresh RfC for everything, that certainly can be done.
- Additionally, I don't appreciate the threatening and deprecating tone of your comment. PaulRKil (talk) 15:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Paul, thanks for liking some of my edits. I'm also one of the many people she's being hostile to, breaking WP:CIVIL. She's telling us what not to do, as though she has authority. However, she's an ordinary editor like us, not an admin. She made a false 3RR & sockpuppetry report against me & is canvassing to find people to back her unreasonable claims against me. We're both good editors, yet she's trying to prevent us from continuing to improve articles! X2023X (talk) 20:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to hear that. Nonetheless, I've opened a noticeboard regarding this incident because it simply did not sit well with me. I will let it be handled there. PaulRKil (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Paul, thanks for liking some of my edits. I'm also one of the many people she's being hostile to, breaking WP:CIVIL. She's telling us what not to do, as though she has authority. However, she's an ordinary editor like us, not an admin. She made a false 3RR & sockpuppetry report against me & is canvassing to find people to back her unreasonable claims against me. We're both good editors, yet she's trying to prevent us from continuing to improve articles! X2023X (talk) 20:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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Be careful
With this edit at 2024 Crocus City Hall attack, it looks like you reverted several other edits that should have stayed. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 19:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I honestly have no idea how that happened. I was going to revert it and re-add my piece, but I legitimately have no idea how this occurred and I apologize for the inconvenience. PaulRKil (talk) 19:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Upon revisiting, I still don't know how this happened. Could it have been an error where other edits got merged into mine? I know there was a dispute when I tried to post my edit but I just went ahead and refreshed the page and re-submitted my edit. That could have been what caused it. I can say all I did was re-add what you deleted with a source. I didn't do any of the other edits. PaulRKil (talk) 19:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry for taking an accusatory tone. I'm sure now that it's not a big deal either way. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 23:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Upon revisiting, I still don't know how this happened. Could it have been an error where other edits got merged into mine? I know there was a dispute when I tried to post my edit but I just went ahead and refreshed the page and re-submitted my edit. That could have been what caused it. I can say all I did was re-add what you deleted with a source. I didn't do any of the other edits. PaulRKil (talk) 19:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Yolanda Saldivar - parole date
You can't overrule people on wikipedia. The entry lacks notability not to mention a source. We don't have OJ Simpson getting out of prison in 2017 or Bill Cosby's conviction getting vacated in 2021. Why would we add someone being merely eligible for parole here? It makes no sense whatsoever.
-I counted twenty (20) other entries on this page that lack an external source. Curiously, you did not delete those.
-"Notability" is subjective. But the level of celebrity of the subject in question should be a key determinant.
-How can you be so sure there was no prior entry about O.J. Simpson's projected parole date? With seven years having passed, any such entry would have been long deleted by now.
-Please use capital "W" whilst referring to Wikipedia. Thank you. Sean 2015 (talk) 04:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- 1. I've removed them in the past or have gotten citations for entries. A lot of them are entries I've deleted in the past. I can't police every year page, but having a citation is the bare minimum to add content to Wikipedia. It is also because the ridiculous statement you made in your edit note caught my eye.
- 2. Notability is subjective sure, but if we don't include when celebrity criminals or world leaders are fully released from prison, why would we document someone merely being eligible for parole?
- 3. I ran a search of the edit history for both years and nobody has made an attempt to add the release of those figures but I am certain that such entries would be removed. I'll give another example: we don't include when the guy who shot Ronald Reagan got released either.
- 4. Look! Read entry 1 again! I capitalized the 'W' in Wikipedia for you! PaulRKil (talk) 12:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Sean 2015 I reverted your reply because the way you did it made a mess of other replies if you want to do the comment again feel free to but in a way that doesn't cause this entry to get hard to read. PaulRKil (talk) 16:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
October 2022
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- I turned it on, thank you PaulRKil (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
November 2022
Hello, I'm Coolman2917. I noticed that you recently removed content from 2022 in the United States without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. 𝘾𝙤𝙤𝙡𝙢𝙖𝙣2917 (talkpage) 15:45, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- I did explain it though, the events have passed and were moved out of predicted into the past events section. PaulRKil (talk) 15:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- What was the general agreement on not adding UN designations? Blakelyelijahl (talk) 14:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Greetings
On further causes on my edits being reverted, would you give me some reasons of why I'm behind the other IP? I'm a completely a different person and I'm here to build an encyclopedia. I have nothing wrong about any of my edits and the edit requests I made are constructive. --2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 21:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
You have a disctinct style of writing and both accounts are editing year articles and local shopping malls usually by making unconstructive edits or adding unnecessary links to other articles. These tend to be your hallmarks. Additionally, you were repeatedly told to use sources, and on this new profile you are arguing with other users who remove your content by saying that you are now adding sources. But you don’t have any awareness of how unconstructive your edits are. I don’t think English is your first language and as a German who moved to the United States in my teenage years, it isn’t mine either so I relate to that. If you do want to contribute, I’d recommend doing it in your first language as there’s always a need for non-English Wikipedians over English ones. PaulRKil (talk) 01:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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Hi. Just making you aware of the above essay. I believe that it was bad form to remove the hatnote at Storm Daniel after a discussion had started but without giving a chance for any dissenting opinions to speak up, which they later did. There was already implied consensus on the hatnote through the editing of others for well over a day before it was brought up. I strongly encourage you to heed STATUSQUO and restore the hatnote until an actual consensus forms to remove it. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 05:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I noticed these edits ([1] [2]) after I posted the above message. It's very clear that people disagree with your removal and repeated reverting will not help your cause at all. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 05:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- There is an active discussion for it right now in two places and we typically withhold an edit such as that until a consensus is reached. My perspective is that it is being done in bad faith and that the arguments in favor fall short but I'm willing to concede if a true consensus is met. PaulRKil (talk) 16:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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