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Hope your holiday and new year were great. Have you see this?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

My holiday was good. I enjoyed the time off. Now I have to look forward to going back to class. I have to remind you, just because someone is good at comics doesn't mean that they'd be good at film. You have to have a different imagination when you are working with comics and films, as neither can accomplish completely what the other can.

P.S. I started season five.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Season eight comes back with the Legion making an appearance (see here).

You can think about about Hutchinson, but the fact remains that Hutchinson doesn't have a film credit to his name, and Zombie's Halloween banked a lot of bucks for the Weinstein brothers. I think that was the reason they left the French team and went back to Zombie. With the Writers' Strike last year, there won't be a lot of films coming out this year, because it typically takes about a year to get a lot of films made. I think the Weinstein's needed something that had a little more concreteness to it, and Zombie is more of a stable decision than Hutchinson. That doesn't mean that Zombie's film will/would do better, just that Zombie has the history to back the decision to hire him. As for Hutchinson, I've never heard that they even read his "script", so that must have been something that he was working on personally and never actually gave them.

I'm only on the second episode. I don't generally care for "Dracula" appearance episode/films. If it's a Dracula film, that's one thing. But I find it so cliche to include an appearance by "Dracula", and make him out to be like his media portrayal. It's one of the reasons I don't care for Blade Trinity. It's such an over used concept. I like how Spike was commenting on his celebrity status, but as a whole I don't care for (didn't care for this one) those types of storylines, especially when they are only single appearance storylines for such a "powerful" vampire. I did like the fact that the guy playing Dracula was the same one who played him in Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I think Kreuk is back because Durance is off for the next 5 episodes, and they can't have 5 episodes with no love-interest woman in Clark's life. That being said, they also had to properly end her storyline with Clark (I don't believe she is a "real" love interest, in the respect that this seems more about them both getting full closure). As for the Legion, apparently they make Clark realize his destiny on Earth is not just about saving lives, but building a bridge through his own alien heritage so that other aliens seeking refuge have a safe home (i.e. Earth). I'm anticipating the episode, because the Legion come to town and they already know who Clark becomes, so it's going to be fun watching them watch their hero before he becomes the man they know of.

Yeah, but you never know. His vision might have clashed with Zombie's remake's vision. What sounds good on paper doesn't always translate well (*cough*Jason Goes to Hell*cough*).

The comic was alright. I wasn't too impressed with it, but that could be because it didn't make a lot of sense to me (beyond the concept that somehow Dracula got Xander back). I guess it's one of those where you kinda need a little backstory on what's going on with the characters. I like the movie he was in, but that's probably because it's about "Vlad III Dracula" and not "Dracula the vampire". That being said, even though it isn't about vampires, if you get a chance you should check it out.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

They do, she's in Star City with Jimmy. I know that Jimmy comes back in episode 15, she either comes back then, or the episode after that one. The closure of, "Hey, good to see you. Wanna explain why I only deserved a 'Dear John' DVD, instead of a face-to-face explanation?" I think it's more of a "this was the right decision" thing for the both of them, and they are facing the reality of "this is for real, we're not getting back together again". They've never really had closure. They've always had those, "we broke up to save the other person, but we still long for the time when we can finally be together again". I don't recall worrying about the Legion, mainly Doomsday.

I wasn't saying that JGtH was a good idea, only that it must have looked good on paper when New Line made it. There are things that I enjoy about it, but when Jason is only in the movie for about 10 minutes...that's not a good F13.

Only just started episode 3, so there isn't much to report at the moment. When I'm mid-way through I'll probably have a better idea. Hopefully, my student loan will be in next week...so when I finish this season I'll be able to go get six and seven.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Who said anyone cares about her closure? She's the one that basically did a "phone break-up" to Clark, which seemed out-of-the-blue for to him. It's more about his closure, so that he can completely move on and recognize his true feelings for Lois (which are blossoming quite nicely, especially on Lois's end).

To me, even with Jason gone, it at least still had the feel of a F13 movie in the video quality. Not like how Jason X just felt so different, so alien to the series.

Anya is always a high-point to watch the show for me. Though, I feel like her character has changed too much from her original storyline, she's still a pleasure to watch. I don't really have too many strong feelings for Riley, don't really care about it. It's Tara that I just cannot stand. It's her voice, it's just so irritating to me. It's the constant, "The world hates me" voice. I just want to yell at the TV, "Speak up! No one can understand your mumbling". But then I think, "Yeah, and then she'd have another reason to lower her self-esteem".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Not everyone hated Lana, and there are plenty of people out there still asking for the Clana relationship to come back. She'll serve her purpose in these five episodes, I'm sure.

Jason X just fell flat. We needn't get into one of our long debates about why it sucked/didn't suck. lol.

I don't care if a character is more likable in the end, I'm always bothered when they make significant changes to character dynamics like that. It's always annoyed me. Even in Smallville, when they test the waters by introducing things for characters to "change" them. It doesn't matter if it helps, it just feels phony.

If Tara is being her whiny-voiced self in "Family", then possibly not.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

They're the same type of people that want Lois to die and Chloe to some how change her name and take her place. Yes, I already knew your stand on Jason X, lol, hence my comment.

You cannot really compare Jason to Anya. Jason really doesn't change in the series. He doesn't tell jokes. He just kills. Until The Final Chapter, he acts like a normal, murdering human. After that he was resurrected and his movements changed. He's never had a "personality" like Anya that could be changed and "perfected" over time.

I don't think a sad story makes up for her voice, or the fact that they sprung the Willow/gay thing on audiences like it was some Ex Machina.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 07:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

About loving Jason X, yeah, but I could swear that it was you that is always insisting that it's a diamond in the ruff compared to how I view the film.

Ok, you cannot compare personality adjustments to physical adjustments. It's one thing to replace an actress, it's another to rewrite her personality over the course of 3 seasons. You're comparing mental traits with a physical appearance in all of those examples. The fact that someone else is drawing Superman doesn't mean that they are still trying to find their niche with the character, it's just that artist's interpretation of his appearance. In TV, there isn't "that writer's interpretation of that character's personality", as that all has to mesh throughout. Hell, other than his mask, Jason's physically appearance changes just about every single film. Even the mask has subtle changes, because it's the artist's vision. A writer's vision is supposed to be consistent. Yes, there is always some hashing out (look at the first episode of House and compare it to the second episode...there are some changes in character personalities), but over 3 seasons...that's extending it a bit too long and too dramatically from the original instance.

As for Anya herself, I love the character. I love the naive, innocence of her in later seasons. I just don't like it when writers twiddle their thumbs for multiple seasons trying to finally get to that "perfect" character personality. It would be like Xander all of a sudden becoming butch and not acting like a "girl" anymore. It's random, and just because people hate the fact that he acts like a girl, and love the fact that he doesn't anymore, still doesn't change the fact that it's an unexplained variance in personality.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Then again, you cannot compare them to Jason. The original creators, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster created one character. Once they sold that character they had very little control over all the changes made to him afterward. In Superman's case, it was the Fleischer Brothers (the ones that made those Superman cartoons) that request DC give Superman the ability to fly. As for the rest of his powers, they've varied across time. At one point he could move entire planets, and at others only mountains. His powers have gone up and down with time, depending on the era, and not based on some attempt to "perfect" him.

Comparing Anya to Joey is a fair example, because you're comparing two TV personalities that change over the course of the show. Nitpicky? I didn't say I didn't like the character, I've merely stated that I don't like it when writers screw with character personalities for such a long time. I've merely elaborated on what you just admitted to be an issue you also share. I don't hold it against the character, which should be obvious since I said I like the character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Even if you could use said example, it's a single film difference (you cannot count the first film as he really isn't in the movie...hell most people don't even know that).

Action Comics also beat out Buffy. ;D I'm on the "No Place Like Home" episode, with the introduction of Glory.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

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It was nice to see Batman up there as well, given that he's usually in the same boat as Superman as one of those "over-the-hill" comics. Though, he typically has more successes lately.

I haven't finished "Family" yet, just started it. Yeah, I like how Glory tries to sneak up on Buffy while she's talking to the priest-guy.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I cannot say that I like Tara any more than normal, but the episode was good. I think my favorite part was when Spike punched Tara and she was like, "He hurt my nose". LMAO. The line was funny as hell.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring my user page. Alientraveller (talk) 09:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Of course. There's nothing like a healthy dose of arguing to liven up your day. :D Some good episodes as of late. I just finished "Checkpoint".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I was generally happy to see Riley go. He was just so ..."blah" on the show. He didn't have a lot of pizazz so to speak. "Triangle" was hilarious. It's fun to watch how self-conscious Anya is about being an ex-demon and wanting to be accepted as a human. Plus, there was a line a few episodes back where Xander was talking about worst case scenarios and he mentioned bunny rabbits...I laughed hard before Anya even reacted because I remember that being one of her fears. "Checkpoint" was definitely one of the better episodes of the season so far, as far as overall quality. I'm anticipating Steven S. DeKnight's upcoming episode, because he wrote and directed a lot of good ones for Smallville.

As for the spaces. They used to be part of the APA guidelines, but the recent edition took them all out. I don't think MLA still uses them either, but I'm not sure about that because I haven't used MLA since high school. I follow a lot of British (English) rules for grammar when it comes to things like comma/quotation placement (American rule has it always on the inside, which doesn't make sense when you see idiots putting a comma on the inside of a quote mark that is attached to a book title...it isn't being quoted it's denoting that it's a title). I don't know if the English rules still use double spaces, but I look at it as Wikipedia doesn't recognize the double space when you put it in. See, I actually just separated the previous sentence with 5 spaces, but when you look at the actual page it appears to only be a single space. So, there isn't a reason to waste the space (pardon the pun) on additional spaces the html doesn't even recognize.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't say that I don't pity him, but I just don't care for him either. It sucked for him that he felt like he wasn't getting the attention/respect he deserved (which is kind of true) and it basically forced him to leave. To me though, he was like Pete Ross. You like the character is a "nice guy" kind of way, but you're never really enthralled by him when he's on the screen so leaving is generally the best priority.

I wouldn't say that Willow was out of character, but I would say that that whiny-Xander side of her was very present in this episode. You saw it all season, where she'd kind of look to Xander and basically ignore Anya, but it was really hardcore this episode. Speaking of out of character, there was something someone did that made me think, "They'd never do that", but for the life of me now I cannot remember what it was. On a side note of that, just to be nitpicky (;D), how the hell can Vampires smoke if they have no breath? No breath equals no intake, thus nothing would happen when they sucked on a cigarette. Just saying, it kind of annoyed me seeing Spike and Harmony smoking (speaking of, she just disappeared from the show).

Of the eps you have seen, DeKnight did "Run", "Spell", "Unsafe", "Onyx", "Ageless", "Mortal", "Thirst", "Splinter", "Lockdown", "Tomb", and "Mercy". So, he kind of is up and down on Smallville as well. It seems like when he's on he's really on ("Onyx", "Splinter", "Unsafe"), but when he isn't we get things like "Ageless" and "Tomb". He wrote more in season six, including the season six opener "Zod", but since you haven't seen those I cannot really expect you to be the judge of them.

With the spacing...it didn't matter much for Jason or Michael, because it was barely there. On one of the Smallville pages there are like 300+ extra characters.

I've never sat down and watches The Office. You're right, we were thinking about it, but I told her no because we have so many other shows to finish first that we are way beyond in (The Shield, The Dead Zone, Monk, plus the new seasons of The Shield, Terminator, and Heroes that aren't out on DVD yet).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Willow and Anya have a rather tense relationship, I guess because of Xander, it came to a head in "Triangle" and continues across the rest of the show. They have nice moments together but they're never really friends. Lol, I bet the out-of-character bit you're talking about was Buffy crying over Xander and Anya's "beautiful love". That's funny, but wildly out of character, especially since in the episode before she dismissed their relationship to Xander's face. Lol, "I said no", that's right you keep those womenfolk in their place! :P  Paul  730 16:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that was the one I was referring to, but that certainly is one. I wish I could remember where I saw it. It was a few episodes back from "Checkpoint".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Had they never done the "I have no breath" line, there wouldn't be an issue. The talking being another good point. One other issue. If vampires can regenerate, how did Spike get the scar when the slayer cut him in China? I have no opinion of Harmony. I find her irritable, but that's a positive thing - as it's based on the kind of person she is, and Mercedes plays that part well. My point was that she just disappears and reappears as if she's always been there. I just finished the episode where Joyce was found dead on the couch.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

And they make the scar more prominent than it is in real life. I figured there'd be some fanplanation that addresses why he got a real scar after he was a vampire. "The Body" was good. I like how they eliminated the music and general sound effects, and overplayed the white noise of the environment. It really helped to illustrate the shock of the moment.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You mean compared to something like Brothers & Sisters, or some other drama on TV? I could agree with that. In most shows they try and make the episode momentous (even Smallville did that with Jonathan's death), but with "The Body", the episode is very sterile. Apart from the vampire at the end, had you watched this episode and never seen the show you probably would not have assume that it was a show about killing vampires and demons.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:06, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the episode would have been just fine without the vampire at the end. Interpret as you like, the rest of the episode is every bit "lack" of interpretation. There are no hidden messages, no symbolisms, or metaphors...it's all very straight ("sterile"). To me, inserting the vampire at the end seemed more like a ploy to remind faithful viewers that Buffy still fights vampires than anything else (though, I have no doubt Joss and his narcissistic self will come up with some "meaning" for the event). The following episode was good as well.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, narcissism often accompanies great talent. I call Joss a narcissist because he's one of those writers (kind of like George Lucas, and a vast many others that seem like they never call admit when something was done just by coincidence and not by some grand scheme that they thought up in advance) that will go back and take credit for things that were never originally intended on his part (or blame things on others because nothing is ever their fault). I'll give you those two, but usually those episodes have much more going on with character/story metaphors, and not just a couple of very subtle allusions.

I love the part when Spike tells Glory that Bob Barker is the key, and her little ghoul minions are like, "Well go get this Bob Barker for you". LMAO.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:58, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I think "Intervention" is a better look at Spike than "Crush". In "Crush" Spike never really sacrifices anything. He threatens to kill Dru, but you never know if he'd really go through with it. When he said he'd let Dru out if Buffy didn't admit some tidbit of feeling, he fails to live up to the threat when she doesn't. This clearly speaks to love for Buffy and not wanting harm to come for her, but he also hesitates a lot when it comes to killing Dru. Had he killed the woman that was supposed to be his "true" love in his glory days without as much hesitation than it would have spoken more volumes about his character. "Intervention" is better at this because you finally see Spike sacrifice for others, something he never would have done in his glory days. It's his first real self-less act. You can assume those other acts (flowers for Joyce, helping Dawn resurrect her mother) were self-less, but you really don't know because the event never fully transpired. It makes the moment when Buffy, pretending to be the Buffybot, gives him a kiss all that more sentimental because she even understands the level of sacrifice that Spike gave. To me, it is that moment that really starts Spike down that road where he decides to go get his soul back.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I frankly love the scene where Buffy pretends to be the robot to find out if Spike told Glory about Dawn. To me, you get to see Buffy's reaction to finally realizing that Spike is changed (trying to change).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

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I finished it last night. I wasn't that impressed with the episode before the finale. I really didn't understand how Buffy could basically trap herself in her own mind like that, knowing that Dawn was going to be killed. I get established reasoning (Buffy deciding that Glory was going to win, and "killing Dawn" herself), but I just felt like it was such a backstep for the character. She has gone through this season showing how strong she has become, and resourceful, then she does this. I get it, Glory's a god, and she don't stand a real chance, but true heroes don't give up - so I was disappointed when Buffy gave up and Willow had to come rescue her. Speaking of, I enjoyed all of the Dark Magic Willow scenes, especially the fight with Glory and the finale when Glory sees Tara and she's like, "How did you get here", and then Willow's like, "She's with me....BAM!".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not being unfair, I didn't say "this is stupid", I just don't feel that it was true to the character. I also didn't call her "weak" because Willow had to save her...I said that I was disappointed that it came to that. The entire event almost seemed out-of-character to at least a minute amount. I mean, she isn't one to run away from a fight, and I think the "she's a god" concept is/was a cop-out. If Buffy had truly given up on saving Dawn (as she basically stated in her mind to Willow), then why bother running to begin with? You know you won't get away from a god....it's a god. If you felt like you killed yours sister, and you were just going to let her die, then why not do just that. You cannot say one thing, do another, and then mean a completely different, third option. She was all, "I'm kickin' ass, kickin' ass, kickin' ass....Oh, Dawn's gone...I'll just fade away to my miserable self-loathing". It just seemed odd to me, and almost made that episode feel more like a filler than a "leading-up-to" episode. Like I said, I understand the explanation they were going for, I just don't personally buy that as an actual step in this character's development (which, to me was two-steps backward for that one episode). It reminded me a lot of Clark in season seven (which you haven't gotten to yet). Clark makes a statement that the gloves are basically off, and he'll stop at nothing to make sure that Lex doesn't hurt anyone else. The very next episode he's all "I'm afraid of what might happen to all of you if I do anything"...then back to his Supermanly self in the episode after that. It was like the rest of the writers took a night off and brought in someone that hadn't been watching the show lately, so he wasn't aware of where the character was in development. Heroes aren't grey. Anti-heroes are. Buffy is not morally ambiguous. She wouldn't even kill Ben, knowing full well that he would eventually turn back into Glory, because Ben was a helpless human. If they pose no threat then she cannot kill him (e.g., Spike). A grey character would see the potential threat in the future, and choose to do a small, evil act for the greater good.

I've seen Buffy's death before, so it wasn't new. It did help to have a whole season to back it up, which allowed it to be a more powerful scene. I kind of picked up on the selfishness of the event as well, because it hearkens back to when Spike was telling her that when every Slayer dies it is because they choose to die, they want to die (LOL, I'm reading your stuff as I'm typing, and you said the same thing I just did). I don't see "grey hero" as equating to selfish hero, as all heroes can be selfish to some extent. Oh, I skimmed through the first link, and read the "Death Wish" one. I don't like his analysis at the end, because he's coming from the angle of her accepting life. The question of whether Buffy had a death wish is only directed at season five (and then specifically in the final moments of the last episode). His whole argument is based on the fact that in season six she accepts life and ...yada yada...it doesn't matter. The point was, had Willow not brought her back from the dead, she was content to stay in heaven with her mother (she kind of makes note of this in season six when she talks about the warmth and happiness she felt before Willow pulled her back). That suggests that, had she never come back from the dead, that she would have been happy with her decision to die (thus, she did have a death wish).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

In that one event it was "only for a second", but how she described it to Willow that was really the basis for her whole breakdown, it was because she felt over-matched and just frankly gave up once Glory took Dawn. If you cannot take subconscious Buffy for what she says (especially since the subconscious is usually more truthful), then what do you go by because "real life" Buffy never explans what happened to her to the rest of the gang. It's all "I'm back, let's rock".

That's a different type of hero. Your regular 'ol heroes might have character flaws, but when it comes to their "mission" their usually pretty straight on what the have to do - even when that is actually the wrong choice. Your applying a heroes mission with a heroes character traits. A true hero always tries to save everyone, no matter what the cost (damn their own life). They might fail many times trying to do that, they may even make the wrong choice, even when that choice is actually aimed at the same goal they were always trying for (e.g. rushing into a fight you cannot win because it's the "right" thing to do...it's also the stupid thing to do). Heroes can have faults, but those faults don't intrude on their overall mission. In Buffy's case in that episode, that fault did intrude on her ultimate mission. She basically dropped into an abyss, as a result of losing Dawn to Glory. To make matters worse, this isn't the first time something bad has happened to her, but normally she sucks it up and finds a way to get over it. Here she didn't, and there was no lead up to explain a potential mental breakdown, nor any freakin' residual issues regarding that breakdown (seemed to stem more from the fact that the writers just wanted to play around with something than actually provide a logic step in her development). Her mom dies and though she's in shock to begin with, she is still there. Dawn isn't even dead, just kidnapped and she falls into a catatonic state. She didn't use Spike as a mental and physical punching bag. She didn't take his shit, and wasn't afraid to hit him to get the answers she needed. Saying she treated him like a M&P punching bag insinuates that she did it for kicks - and I don't recall a lot of mental torment that she put him through (other than what he created for himself when he fell in love with her, which isn't her fault). Faith is grey, but Buffy, up to this point, was white. When has she ever been ambiguous in her actions in more than just a heat of the moment phase (and even those are rare in themselves)?

What I read for that guy was him trying to rationalize around the idea of a "death wish", because every time he would "define" what a death wish was he would rationalize some loophole for Buffy to show that she didn't fit that definition. That eventually led to his "she had to die first to gain the self-knowledge it brought" rationale, which contradicts his later statement about the "Slayer death wish", because he's constantly trying to reiterate the point that this "death wish" isn't the type of death wish that we all think about, because it was really tied to her hero's journey. To me, that's a load of crap because the show as going to end at season five, thus her journey was over. That's like taking a some event in Halloween and then rationalizing the reason for such a thing was based on said retcon event later in the series. After he acknowledges the death wish in the paragraph above the picture, he follows it with a short rebuttle on how it probably wasn't a true "death wish".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You said, "Buffy's actions in the real world are what counts." Exactly, and what did she do in the real world? She closed herself off and went into a catatonic state. Here's the point. This isn't the first time the world was about to come to an end. This isn't the first time she has lost someone close to her (not even the first family member to be lost). Yet, for some reason, this one time her reaction became so extreme that she fell into a catatonic state. It isn't the reaction that is the problem, it is the severity of the reaction. Had she just broken down and cried I would have expected such (hell, she was rivaling Jennifer Connelly in the "how many tears can you shed" category). It is the severity that seems odd and out-of-place with the character, given that she has never had such a response before when similar things have happened. Hell, she spent most of season three living in grief because she killed (at the time) Angel.

Of course her decision in "The Gift" would have had the same weight. Killing Dawn literally was never an option for her. Her "I killed Dawn" stemmed from the idea of not saving Dawn, not the act of actually murdering her. Buffy never even entertained the idea of killing Dawn. The visual imagery of her smothering Dawn with the pillow was based on the idea that Buffy felt like she was actually killing Dawn because she had given up on her. The breakdown is random because no one else knows what is going on, with exception of Willow who saves her. Everyone else is at a loss for what is happening to her, and when you don't explain that you leave this odd looking gap in the story.

You cannot bring up season six, because we're talking about season five. The idea of her eventually growing colder as a hero, and developing this shades of gray in her actions is irrelevant to the here and now. Death can do funny things, so the fact that she becomes a little more neutral in her morals is understandable, but in season five she had not "died" (for real death) yet.

It's an interesting article, I agree. I also agree that a lot of times fans can miss the bigger picture when it comes to their heroes because they think that everything has to be linear and exactly the way "they" think it should be (ironically, you cannot make a show exactly the way everyone wants it to be).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't a coma, it was a catatonic state, and she did have control. She may not have wittingly gone into it, but she had control over coming out of it. It took Willow's interference to convince her that hiding out in her own mind was the wrong choice. I'm not acting like it was a horrible sin, I'm acting like I felt it was a little out of character because it was such an extreme reaction to the situation.

You don't need some unexplained catatonic state (which to me was an extreme reaction of her body to the situation). You can have the same thing with Buffy breaking down in front of everyone and whinning that there is no way she will be able to get Dawn back (yada yada yada). To me, breaking down in front of all of her friends is much more powerful, because they all get to experience what has been going through her head and finally realize why Buffy had them all run-away in the first place. By making it so extreme that only Willow has the chance the see what is really going on you limit (IMO) the powerfulness of the guilt and feeling of helplessness against a god. (We were talking about season five, so why would I need to specify otherwise ;D).

LMAO. Could you now? I think we all think that about certain film series (and we might actually be right). I think that the people in charge want to do things the way they like to do them, though they are usually careful about a lot with regard to how fans will take it, but it always ultimately comes down to whatever the person in charge wants. I could have made Spider-Man 3 and Superman Returns much better (S3 could have been down with some simple editing and then additional filming). I think that if it's something minor then we all have to remind ourselves what I remind myself when I watch Smallville, that it is a different interpretation of the character so it isn't going to be the same thing.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

She can call it want she wants, but it wasn't a "coma" in the medical sense, it was catatonia. I think there could have been other ways to see what was going on inside her brain...like say if Glory beat her so badly she really did fall into a coma. :D

OOOOH...you were talking about the comic books. Hell, there are usually so many different writers for those I wouldn't be surprised if you yourself were a fledgling Geoff Johns or Stan Lee, because it takes a great deal of real imagination to create those stories.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think that was more of Willow-speech than inaccuracy of medical terms. As for the Wicca/Wiccan thing...that's writers for you. Smallville does it too with their technically babble. It's like they think no one knows the truth, so if they say it real fast no one will care. There was one this season where a guy downloaded a hard drive through wi-fi. Well, that's rather hard to do when the thing isn't turned on. LOL.

Well, I blame the issue with the film series on Brett Ratner taking over. Had Singer stayed I bet it would have been a helluva lot better. Sometimes I wish they would let the fans voice any concerns over certain liberties they take, and then say "ok, well then we won't do that".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

LMAO, possibly. It would depend on how outrageous it was and whether or not I felt it was distracting. Usually, Smallville isn't that distracting with their inaccurate technobabble, but occasionally you watch and have to stop and go "Dowhaaaa?".

LOL, I was actually going to put that in my comment about rethinking my statement because we wouldn't have gotten Daniel Craig for Bond. That's funny. I hear OMD is actually turning out to be good, because Harry is back (though there is apparently a lot of questions as to whether he was ever dead, or if he was really the one behind all this time relapse stuff). Well, when you put out comics that often, it is kind of hard to come up with original stories. I mean, look how long it takes to create truly original film stories.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, that wouldn't be a good idea. Have you ever seen the science show they did where they go through all the Star Trek stuff and see what would actually work? Apparently there was quite a bit of good concepts in there. But, you have to ask yourself, was Star Trek right, or, when we invented/discovered something new did we merely just name it after the Star Trek name because the idea already existed? No, what to watch would be Star Wars. I always loved how they had spaceships actually burning in space and "sinking" as if they were out to see. HELLOOOO, there's no oxygen in space (thus there would be no continual burning), and since there is no gravity you'd just sit their floating once you were disabled.

You talk of bringing in new people. What is your take on the current Batman situation? Do you think Bruce is dead? Do you think DC will actually replace him with a new character to carry the mantel of Batman? Or maybe an old character who's done it previously?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Break 3

LMAO, not that's funny. DVD commentaries are always funny. If you haven't you should watch the Smallville ones. The Fight Club one is hysterical. Personally, to me, Bruce is a staple of the symbol. It would be like some other alien taking on the role of Superman. Plus, they tried it once before with Jean-Paul and I don't believe that fans reacted well to his presence as the Dark Knight.

I like Diary of the Dead...I like all of Romero's zombie films. They're usually way better than everyone else's. I'm anticipating his new one, but the teaser for it makes it look like a really low-budget film, like someone a film student would shoot because they cannot afford a decent camera. The POV in Diary is much easier to take because it isn't the only thing you see. I like Cloverfield, but watching it in theaters made me sick...all that running and camera shaking.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to crash your conversation, but I loved Diary of the Dead, have you seen the new Dawn of the dead? Ikip (talk) 14:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

You should probably pick up a few Batman stories, as Bruce's life is certainly a big part of his stories. The only thing that Peter and Clark have on Bruce is the fact that they have a steady woman in their life. Bruce cannot settle down, I believe, primarily because it's a reminder to him of his parents. He is so consumed be his job as "Batman" that his personal life is virtually ignored to the point that he has no outlet.

I enjoy Land. It's more of a Hollywood film, but it's still enjoyable. Small screen is different...even a "big screen" is still small compared to the theater. OH! Speaking of TV screens...and I don't know if/when this will be available for you, but did you hear about the re-releasing of the Friday the 13th movies on DVD? They got the first 3 set for February, with extra stuff (deleted scenes, commentary, etc)...but the big kicker...the Friday the 13th Part III DVD will feature the 3-D version of the film (and come with a pair of 3-D glasses).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Unless you were around when the movie was first released, then no one has had the pleasure of experiencing it. Paramount, to my knowledge, never released a 3-D version of the movie...not even on laserdisk (I think). This is like the first time in almost 30 years. I'd buy all of them again...just because. I mean, any extras are good extras considering that none of the Paramount films actually have extras (or commentary). Only the New Line films have anything, but there is no word on what New Line is doing...nothing I would assume. This is only Paramount who said they were going to re-release all of their films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Neither have I. I take it you aren't going to go see My Bloody Valentine: 3-D? That's your choice. I'm primarily interested in the 3-D film.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I've actually never seen the original. What I find funny is that they announced the Friday the 13th movie before My Bloody Valentine, and I'm pretty sure that Friday the 13th started filming first. But it seems that Valentine rushed their production enough to get released before F13...then again, that could be more of Feb. 13 being the first Friday the 13th of the year...otherwise it might have been out sooner. I guess 3-D is coming back, with all these movies now trying to make 3-D versions. It was attempted in the eighties, but it failed miserably because it was too costly to send theaters the projectors that could do 3-D imaging. I wonder if they've developed some more efficient way.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but I feel like it is worth it to see a classic that was originally broadcast in 3-D. I'm sure it's a lot different than the 3-D of today (for one, I think the older films did far more intentional images to invoke the 3-D feel).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

It might be best. But not this "H2" crap. I think just call it "Halloween sequel", because right now there is no official title.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

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Just a heads up: it probably would have been simpler to upload the new image on top of the old image at CordeliaChase.jpg . That way the history would be preserved, and I wouldn't have gotten a useless "non-free image" notice.

Of course, that's just my opinion. — trlkly 01:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The debacle at Talk:Angel (TV series)

I do not know if you have checked out the Angel series talk page recently, but it is a mess. The page has basically turned into a discussion forum with less manners and has not had a single constructive remark made since August 08. I tried to tell the users (a lot of times) that talk pages are not forums, linked the page to the rules and everything, but the people abusing the talk page have a serious lack of maturity (and might all be the same person). I came to you because you invest yourself a lot in Buffy-related articles and I do not actually know of any admins top turn to. I figured you might. kingdom2 (talk) 04:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Scratch that. Since June 08. kingdom2 (talk) 04:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

No prob. kingdom2 (talk) 01:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Television_episodes

I notice you had opinions about the page before. thanks Ikip (talk) 13:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Dawn of the dead

RE: I wasn't a big fan, tbh. I love the original, but the remake didn't do anything for me. If I remember correctly, there was more action and less characterization. I also prefer the classic slow Romero zombies.  Paul  730 22:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Have you seen the remake of Day of the Dead (2008 film)? Straight to video. It was okay.

My brother just sent me this:

Nazi zombie pic premiered Saturday at Sundance

I have read a majority of all of the Zombie novels. The best, by far is the books by Brian Keene. But they are fast zombies (possessed demons), which use weapons. Dead Sea (novel) is greatIkip (talk) 08:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Torchwood

Paul, Stephen James Walker's book holds an extremely clear bias towards a specific relationship in Torchwood, and it is not the canon one. He also holds a strong dislike of Ianto (because it goes against his preferred paring). My edit is not so much a personal disagreement more than removing bias that is upsetting many fans, and making the entry opinionated. Stephen James Walker, in relation to his comments on the characters and their relationships, may be a published source but is not a credible one.

Clarrisani (talk) 02:34, 25 January 2009 (AEST)

January!

Hiya. I liked "Harmonic Divergence" but thought it would work better as a TV episode in the vein of "Superstar". I have yet to read the newest Angel. Also, I recently saw some edits to the Jack article which were trying to remove factual information because it related to series one and not series three? Bizarre. I just had a look at the Ianto talk page - fans are odd, it should have been expected. All writers have a slant. Removing someone because he seems Ianto-favourite would be tantamount to removing reviews from Christian fundamentalist organisations who condemn movies: it's good, relevent information no matter how contentious. OH WELL. How are you?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 19:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I am completely unspoiled. My life at has for the last two weeks revolved around Ulysses, The Battle of Maldon and my now-past-tense turbulent love life. I also now thoroughly hate James Joyce, despite appreciating what an utter genius he is. I look forward to reading #16, these last few Angels have been very good.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

WELL, where do I start. For one thing, Ulysses is a good enough answer to 'why I hate James Joyce', but having to essay about him is especially painful. I still haven't bought Angel #16! I think I'll make the trek to buy it today. My comic shop in Oxford still has all the ones that came out over Xmas for me (which I bought from the comic shop at home) so I'll have some splaining to do. I also have to get the Final Crisis where Batman dies.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Went to the comic shop today. Massive trek. No Angel #16, no FInal Crisis #6 or #7. I hope I can get ahold of them before they sell out. Totally shit. I read a tiny bit on Angel 16. Illyria's back? I like Final Crisis. I think it's well-written, but would work better as a paperback novel then as a comic book (except to say, Morrison is very good at 'directing' the visuals). I think killing off Batman is cheap - I didn't read RIP. I used to read Outsiders but quit when I realised Batman was leaving soon and thus it isn't going anywhere. Batman dying to DARKSEID of all characters in a scifi way is nonsense, so is his using a gun moments beforehand. Thankfully, this is the same series where Martian Manhunter died and Superman said "we can pray for a resurrection" at his funeral. And it's not a real death, it's like being forced to live out a million hellish lives which means Batman will eventually come back darker and angstier and will kick the ass of whichever Robin has put on his cowl.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 16:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I watched Being Human and loved it. Was expecting a comedy, got something perhaps much better. Best British scifi in years, currently the best original British program in season at the moment. One simple rule: Characterisation over plot gimmick. Easypeasy. OH, watch this: http://www.new.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=48396838341&h=zv1S4&u=mTD67. Fucking sweet trailer for Dollhouse and Sarah Connor in Grindhouse style.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 12:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Paul730! I'm new here and I'm working on the WikiProjekt Films. But I also like TV series. Smallville, the series about Clark Kent who later becomes Superman is my favorite. I'm trying to make a list of episodes of season 8 and I have already prepared the episode called "Bulletproof". If you would like to take a look at it please visit my userspace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sha-Sanio/Smallville/Bulletproof. Hope you like it, if not, please leave a message on my homepage and tell me what's wrong.Thank you.Sha-Sanio (talk) 21:12, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi again!

I would like to improve the sections about development and production of smallville. I want to accomplish my article. I've just found out that there are books that I can use to look something new up. Maybe you know someone who has the books and might let me have a look at it. If so, maybe we could meet and take a look at the books together. If you know somebody who has the books and is willing to borrow them, please leave a message on my talkpage. Thank youSha-Sanio (talk) 21:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello Paul730! I have added a new image to the article about Smallville season8. I think it fits very well there. If you want take a look at it and then tell me if you like or not. Please leave a message on my talkpage. Thank you!!!Sha-Sanio (talk) 15:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

F13 and other happenings

Not much, just trying to get settled into my classes. It's the 4th week and I still don't have my books (I ordered them through Amazon because the bookstore ran out). The books should be here today (while I'm at work no less). As far as F13, yeah I'm going to go see it. I'm going down to Palm Bay (a 5 hour trip) to see the g/f (a combo birthday/Valentine's Day thing) for the weekend. Though she doesn't know it yet, we're going to go see it on Friday when it opens. I'm think we'll also go see Gran Torino at some point in the weekend. Love me some Clint Eastwood. How are things with you? P.S. Have you noticed a particular editor asking, almost incoherently, about things on Wikipedia?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Her's. Mine isn't for a few months. She's seen all of them. When I say "dragged", I don't mean like she's going whether she wants to or not. I mean in the sense that I haven't really discussed it with her, but I'm sure she already knew (when I showed her the trailer when it came out) that she was going to be going to see it. She's seen them all. We've watched all the F13s, Halloweens, most of the Nightmare films (skipped Part V and Freddy's Dead because we were working our way up to FvJ and those two really aren't that great). She's watched a lot of my horror movies. I imagine that she wants to see it only because I want to see it, and she recognizes the importance of it to me.

I don't know what's going on with that. They went to Erik too, for other film articles and they have a lot of user sandboxes (check the contribs). Speaking of, I don't know if I told you, but that "Legion" episode was pretty awesome. It was definitely one the best of the season (so far), and definitely one of the best (if not the) episodes for DC character introductions. They make reference to the tights, the cape, the glasses...and Garth almost reveals to Clark that he eventually going to operate under the name "Superman".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

We got another early jumper on the Halloween 2 page creation. Um, I think they're going to toy with the idea at some point this season.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Images of Smallville characters

Hello, Paul, we are discussing the replacing of the old images on the pages of the characters of Smallville. We don't come to an agreement and bignole wants to spoil the editing of the page. Please say your opinion, so that we can finally decide. Thank you very muchSha-Sanio (talk) 03:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

New Friday

I still rank 4 as my top Jason movie, but it's certainly up there. One thing I noticed in this film was that Shannon and Swift seemed to intentionally write their idiot characters to be idiots. Before, it was always just bad writing that turned characters into idiots, but the ones that are smart tended to act smarter (though, they still died..lol). The kill scenes were awesome, and when you're a fan of the series you get to know which deaths are homages to other deaths in the series. Jason looked great. You don't really see his face all that much. There's a quick glimpse just before he gets the mask, and at the end of the film, but that's about it. I think you'll enjoy the movie. I don't know how you'll rank it given your fondness of 4 and 6. It's hard to rank these newer films to their older counterparts, because they were after different things back then. In this film, Jason is more of a force. The characters really don't know who he is or what he wants, minus a couple who kind of figure it out. The rest are just like "WTH is going on!".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Nana is there. The very opening of the movie is pretty much reminescent of the ending of the first film. I think they cut the little kid. All you see is a pair of child hands picking up this locket that Pamela was wearing, and that's it. His backstory is kind of vague, but one dudes "campfire tale" basically recounts the "life of Jason" in a way. I don't know what you have, because they've only released the first three for us (though, the rumor is that Paramount plans to release the rest of them. Here is what ours look like: [1], [2], and [3] (except, you have to envision a holographic cover, and our part 3...which comes in 3-D has 2 pairs of glasses). I haven't viewed my copy of "His Name Was..". I'm sure it's still fun to watch anyway.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you saying that the ones you saw personally were probably just re-releases of the same films? I know the ones we got (which I did buy) were revamped with 5.1 Dolby, and high definition broadcasting (plus a load of extras on each of them). From what I've heard, Crispin Glover ("dead fuck guy") didn't want to do the interview...which I would believe, because he's fucking quarky as hell. I see him as being a little egocentrict, or some other personality issue. The only other person I know they didn't get was Steve Miner, and I don't know if that was a scheduling thing, or if Steve opted not to do it. I doubt that they didn't get these people because they didn't want them. Hell, they managed to Warrington Gilette and Steve Dask together on this. I think the "other media personalities" was more of them providing fans with insights from people who are famous and grew up watching these movies. It's a way of saying, "Look, so-n-so, who makes lots of money doing this, loved the Friday movies just like you, Mr. Joe Schmo". I still have to watch H25 myself. Anyway, get to the theater and let me know what you think. I'll probably be going again in March...it's ALSO got a Friday the 13th - which is really weird to have back-to-back months with a 13th that falls on Friday.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

That would be cool of Hugh was on it, but I agree..he probably isn't. Yeah, I remember rewatching JTM and going, "It's Kelly Hu!" lol. She had such a thankless role in that film. Yeah, Glover's a decent actor but I believe it was HE who decided to snub the doc. I don't even think he did the Peter Bracke or David Simpson interviews for those two books. I think he's one of those actors that doesn't want to even be remembered for his role in that series...which is odd, because Bacon always talks about it because it was basically he's starting career. I'm going to go see it then because it's F13, and because I'm hoping to get my buddy at work to go. He's never really seen a F13 film before. He isn't that into gore, though he loves Kill Bill, which to me is far bloodier...though in a more elaborate way. The g/f enjoyed it, and so did her roommate who really doesn't like those types of movies either. There were things they didn't like, like the obligatory sex and naked body scenes. But, it's a staple of the series, so it's a must.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

You know the part of Jason bursting through the window and grabbing Clay was a homage to the scene in 4, where Jason does the same thing to Tommy? There were a ton of homages with the death scenes, even with Jason's. You had the cop who got his eye poked out, the sleeping bag death, Jason's hanging, it was just fun to watch those things and think "oh yeah..." The bear trap scene with Shannon and Swift's take on the sleeping bag death was my favorite. I also love the part where Lawrence (the black guy) puts up a great fight only to have Jason hurl that axe at him. I personally think they did a great job with all of the characters, even the deaths. I mean, who would have guessed that fucking douche bag Trent would last as long as he did. One semi-surprise was Jenna's death. She was a likeable, strong willed character who catches it at the end. I was also on my seat with the wood-chipper. I was like "Shit...he's all done for now". Though I never felt "scared", or even suspensed up, I think the "startle" moments were good (except the ones ruined by the trailer). The g/f about jumped out of her seat the first time Jason showed up and killed Wade by the weed patch. Hell, Scream was never scary to me. I think this movie had better jump scenes. I can't hold predictableness against the movie, because these movies are legendary for killing everyone and leaving only one person left - which was kind of why I kept expecting Clay to kick it at the end. I admit, the "say hi to mommy" was corny, but who really cares in the grand scheme of things.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

There was an early interview with them, before that last one I used in the film, where I remember them talking about that being one of their favorite moments in part 4. It was shot almost identically to how Tommy gets grabbed as well. Yeah, I liked Jenna as well, I also liked Lawrence and Chewie, because they were such a trip. It was nice to actually see a character so concerned for his best friend that he would basically walk to his own death just to go get his friend back. That arrow scene was fucking awesome. I knew Nolan was going to get it, but I never expected him to get it before Willa Ford's character did. That was so sweet and so out of nowhere when it happened, and for them to show Jason with the bow afterward was awesome. I liked Mears as well. I think he does a better job than Hodder ever did as far as bringing a true menace to the character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but when that's the only scene you reuse almost exactly the way it was, I think it's ok. Chewie's bit with the hockey stick was funny. I think all the black people in my theater were cracking up watching Lawrence get ready to beat it to a winter clothing magazine. Trent screaming like a girl was pretty good. Well, IMO, before Mears there was no one better than Hodder. Kirzinger never really brought anything to the character in my opinion. But, the swiftness of Mears, the intensity that he brought to the character made him fun to watch. Hell, I think there was a brief interview with Hodder at the premiere, and even he said he was blown away by Mears's performance. I don't think he has much grudge about not being asked to do this film, because he's getting up there in age and really really isn't in the shape he was in back in the 90s. Plus, Hodder came in when Jason was a zombie, and Mears gets the character while he's still human...and I've always liked the human Jason (not performance wise, but the character himself) better, because it lends to a scarier opponent - because it's more belieavable.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope

I have yet to, sorry. And I haven't heard much of Spike. I liked "Swell" and you can see the author took the time to reiterate that Buffy is straight (laboured point?) and I liked the setup with the ship (feels very much like season five in that respect). I thought the new Friday the 13th was really rubbish, except it was visually interesting and had some sexy people in it. The Halloween remake was much more creatively successful. What else? I haven't got to read the Barrowman-penned Torchwood comic book, but I figured you might have. Any good? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 01:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

What do you make of the latest edit to Jack Harkness? I can sense the good faith of the edit but I feel it makes the already fragile lead somewhat more clunky, plus seems to be aimed at subtly incorporating the Jack-is-Boe theory. Which while a likelihood, seems a bit bizarre to make pains to mention. Surely conditional immortality is still "immortality"; compare vampires and stakes, etc.? Perhaps it should be edited for wording to say "cannot die" and then make a piped link to immortality? I'd rather take your opinion before I revert this (I'm assuming) nice editor again.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Last House

Have you seen the trailer for the the remake of Wes Craven's "The Last House on the Left"?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I liked the trailer. I wasn't following the developments of the remake (though, after seeing the trailer with F13 I've decided to adopt the page and see what I can do to fix it up. As for the original, I've always been a huge Craven fan so that was one of the first movies I got on DVD when I first moved to Florida. If you ever thought that Texas Chain Saw displayed realistic violence (as it is known for), then Last House will school you on what it means to be an exploitation film on graphic violence. This is not a film for the general horror fan, who likes the scare but not the gore. There's rape, disembowelment, and a blow job castration. I know you're more of a hardcore horror fan like myself, so if you ever get a chance to see it (or find it cheap at a store...but only the Unrated version) you should check it out. Even if you hate it, the film will stick in your mind for some time. I couldn't tell you if I liked it or not, because when I got finished with it was I more like "Holy Hell". I guess, in retrospect, I did like it and appreciate it for what it did to Craven and Cunningham's careers (without that film neither probably would have been able to create Nightmare or Friday, because it was the success of that film that launched both of them into the spotlight for horror). I was dismissive of the remake, because I doubted (and kind of still do) that it will be able to capture the gritty realism that the original had because of today's censors. The original is like watching a snuff film. The trailer shows promise, and even if it doesn't live up to the original, it actually seemed like it might be a decent remake as a whole.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a great revenge movie, because the movie isn't about the death of the girls, but really about the revenge of the parents when they discover the truth. Texas isn't graphic though, it's just realistic the way it is shot. Hellraiser is typical horror gore. House is different. It's like combining Texas and Hell into one movie - realism and gore. I don't know how involved he really is. He has a producer credit, but then again so does Cunningham on the F13 remake, yet you didn't get any interviews with him about the movie. On the other hand, F13 was never billed as his movie, and the trailer for House actually broadcasts Craven's name, which leads me to believe that he did have some control over the film. A part from the way the parents kill the murderers (based on what I can see in the trailer), this looks like a spot on remake, and not some "reimagining" as everyone else is trying to do. As for Scream, I heard the same thing. He did an interview where he said that Williamson's script has to be basically perfect and awesome for him to come back, plus Dimension has to make him an offer (which I think they haven't yet).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, clearly that's new because microwaves weren't really around in 1972...lol. I know that how they discover the truth is different as well.

I think you've mentioned Being Human before, you or someone else on here has. I read a little about it on its page, seems like they did some retooling after the pilot.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It looks interesting. Seems to have some decent film quality. How does the werewolf look? I wasn't getting a good vibe when I saw the brief instance of it in the YouTube clip. It seemed to be channeling The Howling, which, although that's a good movie it's also an old movie, and so a TV series modeling out-dated special effects can be a turn off.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Star-crossed couple article

Paul, will you weigh in on a discussion about this on my talk page or at this article's talk page? It's about the best format for the section in debate per Wikipedia policy. Flyer22 (talk) 08:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I have restructured the article as I said I would on its talk page. For the section dealing with famous examples, I simply took information from the leads of those articles (the ones with couple articles) and tweaked some of it to fit that section better, as well as other stuff. I also reworded and added to the section dealing with modern examples.

Anyway, I hope that that IP/"new editor" who gave me a tough time before about putting the modern day section in paragraph form will see that this new version of it is better than its old version...and will not revert it back to that old version. If he does, of course, I will see it as vandalism (since this has been settled on the talk page) and I will report him.

I have basically set that article up to incite further improvement to it, rather than further deterioration of it.

I thank you again for your help on this matter. Flyer22 (talk) 04:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page, but I'll reply here as well because I'm not sure if you were going to check my talk page for a response: About some of the information lacking sources, I get your point, Paul. But, other than the last paragraph of the couples in the famous/classic examples section, the majority of the rest of those couples in that section are not directly stated as star-crossed lovers (though it is obvious that we are classifying them as such); there is instead a bit of information about each of those romances. As I stated before, I got most of that information from their couple articles, which are not sourced or are lacking a lot of sourcing in most cases also. I suppose those articles are not sourced too well for the same reason we do not see plot summaries of films sourced here that often -- because the stories, which many have usually seen or know of, serve as the reference. But, as you suggest, I will later try to source that information in the Star-crossed article, and will probably then use whatever valid sources I get to also source a little information in their couple articles. Flyer22 (talk) 23:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

The IP wants more of your thoughts on my revision of the article. I am bored with this, and I suppose you are as well, but I'm just letting you know (in case you did not already know). Flyer22 (talk) 22:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem, Paul. I hear you. Flyer22 (talk) 22:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

What's up

What's up, haven't seen or heard from you in awhile. Busy with life? I'm surprised you haven't provide some personal opinion on the new Halloween movie and the pictures that are surfacing, as has been discussed between myself and VampireKen.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

That's cool. Nothing like fanboys (no offense, each of us are in our own rights) arguing over the definitive plot point. ;) I assume Laurie all bloody is from the end of the first movie. She was rather bloody at the end, and this is probably her trip to the hospital. The other big issue/news is Tyler Mane sporting a huge ass beard. The reports say it's well hidden by the mask, and suggest that it isn't part of the film (as Zombie has stated that Mane has been growing it out since the first movie ended). Other than that, everything about this film has been pretty mum as of lately. I haven't started the last two seasons of Buffy yet. I just put in Birds of Prey....it's not Smallville. LOL. It's really cheesy (really plays up the camp on occassion... i.e. doesn't try to be serious like Smallville), and the acting at times is horrendous.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I was actually fine with the long hair, because Zombie made a good point with a lot of his changes. Who has the balls to go in and cut Michael's hair? You can explain away the beard, because I know plenty of men that just cannot grow one, but unless years pass between the first film and the second then how do you explain how the beard got so damn long? I mean, if he could grow one before then who was shaving it off during all that time, as I'd like to know why they didn't cut his hair as well. In the pic you can kind of see what appears to be a large wound at the top left (his right) side of his head. I don't think BoP is supposed to be "canon", at least nothing yet has told me that it is while watching. That said, when they were trying to explain to Dinah about "metahumans", they mention a "strange effect" a particular meteor shower had on people in another location (though they never say Smallville). I thought it was a cute little nod to the show. It's hard to tell if the acting is that bad, or if the writing is just that bad that there's no way to act it well.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Plenty of convicts don't cut their hair while in prison. I would assume that unless the facility had a policy on the matter (I've known some places that were run like military boot camps), then it would be up to the inmate. Since Michael wasn't talking, and they didn't cut his hair when he first arrived and was more docile, then I'd say there was no one that was going to take the chance when he was larger and had killed a nurse there.

There isn't a timeline specifically. It looks "modern". It takes place 7 years after Batman's disappearance following Selina Kyle's death and Barbara Gordon's paralyzing. I would liken it almost to Charmed in the way it is filmed and presented. It kind of acknowledges the ludicrousness of what it is and just hopes people will play along with all the corny dialogue.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't. One reason is because I saw it for a second time with my friends a few weeks ago, and two because I'm trying to conserve money as the semester ends. That being said, I might go see Last House if I find other people that want to go (hate going to the movies by myself). Right now I'm in the process of trying to fix up that Last House page. It's coming along, slowly but surely.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't/don't care right now for Dillahunt as the Terminator. It isn't him as a performer, it's just him physically. He just does not provide the same menace as someone who has that physical prowess. No, I haven't seen Twilight, and I probably never will. To me, there is a difference between Anne Rice's vampire sexuality, and Stephanie Meyer's vampiric girly romance novels. Plus, from what I see in the trailers, it just flat out looks shitty. "Say it...... Vampire." Are you fucking shitting me. That's the dialogue?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

So, Stephen King was right when he said that Stephanie Meyer was a horrible writer? LOL. Yes, I am blaming her and not Melissa Rosenberg, because I'm sure (as is with most novel adaptations) a good portion of the dialogue probably came from the book. Frankly, and I know this is going to sound sexist like nothing else, but I would wager a bet that the problems with the book stem from it's high female creative attachment. The book is from a female author (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, Rowlings is a great author from what I've read about her, as are Anne Rice and Patricia Cornwell to name others), and then the movie itself was written and directed by two women. It was also edited by a woman. Now, any one of these on their own isn't, again, necessarily a bad thing (I like the films by Nancy Meyers and Penny Marshall, as well as Nora Ephron...can't think of any female screenwriters that I know of, and JAWS had a female editor), but I think the flooded market of female bodies crafting this film is why it turned out that way. Just because your market is young girls doesn't mean that older woman know how to talk to them. Plus, if you paint yourself into a corner by trying to go after just your specific demo, then you aren't going to make a good film (good film as a whole...as I'm sure the tweens loved the movie). That's just my opinion.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Hence my point. The book was written from the female perspective. The film was created through the female perspective. That was no divergence in POV. I think there was too much "love" for the source material, because of who wrote it. Think about it, when was the last time a series of books was written by a woman that eventually became a series of movies with predominantly female crew (included the top chief position)? The first time I noticed that the primary people were women I was like, "keeping it in the family, eh?" It was odd. I didn't dismiss the movie because of that...frankly, I dismissed it when I saw the trailers and was like "what the hell is this shit?" It was supposed to be Harry Potter meets the Vampire Chronicles, and it wasn't. I don't know. The only way my theory will be justified is if Chris Weitz turns out a film with a completely different tone that ultimately makes it a better film (for the people that watched the first one). Otherwise, it's simply because Stephanie Meyer cannot write worth a damn on any level.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

They made the film very "girly". There wasn't an attempt to bring it to a wider audience, which is a fault of the crew. If the action film was a book written by a man, and adapted by men, and sucked because it lacked any outside POV, then yes I would. I'm not saying that this circumstance would make any film suck, I'm saying this specific one sucked because of that. If the film had turned out differently I wouldn't have assumed such a thing, but the trailer gave you a hint as to the style of the film and from what I saw there, and have read about elsewhere, I'm putting the blame on the crew.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Moving on to brighter topics (Twilight doesn't deserve this much banter :D), did you hear that Zombie is now calling the film: "H2: The Devil Walks Among Us"?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Should be "now". My issue is that "H2" just doesn't fit alongside the title. It should be one or the other. I'm not sure I'm fond of "H2". It's too similar to "H20", and we've had one of those already. Say he did drop the "H2", this would be the first film in the series (hell, even if he doesn't drop it) to not have "Halloween" in the title. Oh, did you see that "Lois Lane" is going to be in the movie as Laurie's psychiatrist?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

It had as much Halloween as the original did. Michael killed his family on Halloween in both films. Michael came back for Laurie on Halloween in both films. By "Lois Lane" I mean Margot Kidder.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't mean Halloween was more in that film, it just means that Carpenter used it more as a means of describing Michael. Zombie does that to an extent, there's just an added explanatory element to Michael. Kidder's name is currently Barbara Collier. Marion was a nurse though, why would it be her?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Would it be considered vandalism if I...

Edited the 'l' in this image to a n 'n'? Image:Barin_in_a_vat_(en)_v2.png?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 01:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Good....bad....I'm the guy with the gun.

First look.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be cool. I still haven't read the first one yet (beyond those panel clips from those links you sent). You also might get like to read this interview with Zombie. I haven't had a chance to incorporate it yet into the Halloween article, but it's pretty interesting. It gives you a little better understanding of what he's going for, and his feelings about the first film. As for Dexter, no I don't watch it. I don't watch a lot of shows when they first come out. I've read about it. There's another show on TV with a similar premise which stars Christian Slater, called My Own Worst Enemy.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering if they are maybe the ghosts that haunt Michael, like maybe that bit about him chasing Laurie is some dream that he's having. IDK, it has the potential to really give some depth to the character, or fizzle out and die real quickly. It'll be interesting once we know more about what Zombie is going for. Dexter is in its third season I think.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

You might like this, if you haven't already seen it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you remember Debra Hill claimed the mask in Halloween II is the same one as in the first one; it has just been smooshed.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, with the gradual wear and tear added to the mask. I was watching a video interview between William Shatner and his daughter, and she was asking him about the mask. Apparently, he really didn't know anything about it. According to him, they had produced a mask of his face for Halloween, but he didn't really know about it (probably just accepted checks and didn't care). Anyway, the story goes that on one Halloween he was in the store buying costumes with his girls, and he inadvertently picked up a Michael Myers mask for himself. So as he walked his girls from house to house he wore his own face. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, after they modified, she's right. But I tend to think that the original (i.e. what the bought) looked creepily like Shatner. But, once you start cutting into it and painting it...it turns into a whole new thing. What I always thought was funny was how Shatner has blonde/brown hair (and so did the original mask), but that as the films went out Michael's mask developed black hair.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

If ginger to you means red (as it does over here), then it wasn't red. It looks almost black in the original, but I chock that up to Carpenter's dark lighting. In the first sequel it looks almost blonde, because there were a lot of shots where the lighting almost seemed to fall right on his head (which, as a result, forced you to see his eyes more often as well). In Part 4 was darker, but not really black. Part 5 seemed to get lighter in coloring. Part 6 got darker, but wasn't really "black". I guess they were never true "black", but a darker brown than originally made and the lighting always made it look black.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

NOES

First look at A Nightmare on Elm Street.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

For the most part I'm optimistic. I don't like the idea of Nancy being a goth chick. Nothing against goths, but do they really have to corrupt the sacred image of all of our movie heroines (Laurie, anyone?). I'm on the fence about having him be potentially sympathetic. They say that it could be more open to interpretation, but that could just be them throwing out "what ifs". What could really happen is that the kids tell on him, and afterward someone is like "what if they were lying". But, then that begs the question of what do you do now that you've basically labeled the kids the real villain of the story. If Freddy's going after Nancy then it's because she told too.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say she was a goth> I said "corrupt the sacred image of our movie heroines". I was referring to the loss of innocence that Laurie had in Zombie's remake. To me, she was no better than Annie or Linda in many respects (though, probably still a "virgin"). With the potential that the kids lied about Freddy molesting them, that puts Nancy in the "corrupted image" category. It's not that I think lead heroines should be innocent, and perfect. I would love a good horror movie where the final girl was a little more morally ambiguous, but not when it comes to well established horror final girls.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I hate that bagel scene. I don't have a problem with Scout, because I think a lot of the things I hated with the character were things that Zombie did...which, ironically, he has said the character bored him till the final scene. I'm more interested to see how that night has affected her. She looks pretty rough in some of the pictures. Nancy is still up for grabs to me, mainly because we know just about nothing on the film (I can only trust Latino Review's "review" of a "script" as far as I can throw them).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure. Obviously Tommy. I would actually vote for Clay, because he was one of the few bad ass male characters to confront Jason. If Kristin wasn't dead I'd say her, given her ability to pull people into her dreams (sorry, I favor her over Alice if the choice was available). Nancy, definitely, but that goes back to the dead thing. If you can have Nancy, then you can have Kristen. Hell, why not get Katherine...and have someone who knows Freddy because he's blood. The power of "Daddy's love"?? lol. Then that could justify the use of Jessica, because you'd have blood relatives of both of your villains on your side.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Halloween

If this is true, then all hope is lost.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was watching a video of Mane doing a webcast, and he was in overalls. In fairness, he spent like an hour not in the mask in the first film as well. I just don't like this BS. Zombie isn't really disclosing anything about the film (which is good and bad), and I wonder if he's taking Michael Bay's approach to releasing false information because both has issues with people stealing info from them during production of their films two years ago. Hell, Zombie had that whole work print fiasco.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You can make a unique movie with MM without destroying what makes him MM. It's like having a movie about Jason without the hockey mask nowadays. It's a part of who he is. As for the music thing...it wasn't a false statement. Zombie didn't plan on using the music originally, because he couldn't find a place for it in the vision he was scoping. Eventually he did find a place for it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but The Shape hasn't been the The Shape since the first movie. The second Carpenter and Hill created "Halloween II" he ceased by The Shape. After that, it was all about explaining his motives.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that's because people get bored with the same thing (except F13 fans, we love to see the same shit every time, but that's a little different. We care about the kills, not the characters). Having a killer who you don't know why he is doing this is only scary once.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, you do and you don't. If you look at the films, each sequel tries to continue the story set forth by the previous one and further explain who Michael is. With the first set, it was the establishment of the biological connection, then the Thorn Curse. That was later revamped in the second set, and then revamped a new time in Zombie's to be more of a "protective" feature of Michael's. The issue with the comics is, "what's good in a comic doesn't necessarily translate to the screen." Look at FvJvA. That would not translate well to the screen. Hell, if you take RZH and put that in comic book form I'd bet it would have a completely different feel to it than the film does.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not justifying the films, I'm merely pointing out that Zombie didn't really do anything new. IMO (a part from the horrible dialogue), Zombie did a better version of the "explaination" side of Michael.

Being written as a film doesn't mean it would work as a film. It was hard enough accepting Freddy and Jason in the same world, when you put Ash in there you're really stretching it. They realized how difficult it would actually be to make that film work, and find a better medium for it to be presented in. I mean, look at Spider-Man. As an example, those films work because they were grounded in some form of reality (i.e. the only real outlandish part is the mutation Peter goes through). Green Goblin is just a juicer going through Roid Rage, with cool gadgets at his disposel. Doc Ock is just someone caught up in his own tortured mind, subtly controlled by the AI in his robotic arms (now the advancement of the AI isn't that high today, but the idea is there). Then we have the third film, which brought in an alien symbiote that could literally morph your body, and a molecule machine that didn't kill you but just turned every part of you to sand grains. Great for the comics. Clearly did not work well on film (p.s. here's hoping they bring redemption with Spider-Man 4). What looks good on paper doesn't necessarily translate to the screen (I think we've had this debate before).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say they were cartoony, I just said that some stories work better in that medium. Hell, they couldn't even translate Superman's Death/Resurrection into a decent animated film (though, the way Smallville is shaping up as the season comes to a close, it's looking like the Smallville might be doing their version of that storyline--referring to the whole story and not just the character of Doomsday--so we'll see how it translates to live-action). I'm sure the Halloween stories are great ones, I read Sam and it was good. What I'm saying is that some things come out great in one medium, and not so much in another. Hell Blazer was a good comic. Constantine not that good of a movie. Would you prefer if I said, "don't translate very easily"? If the writers of the comics were so gifted, why haven't they written one of the movies? It's probably because the studio looks at what will sell, and not what will make fans happy.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Out of all of the Halloween writers (removing Carpenter and Zombie), which of them were "well known"? I would assume that Hutchinson has more pull than any of the previous writers given his work on the comics which puts him in direct connection to the filmmakers.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm merely saying that beyond Zombie and Carpenter, it wasn't like the series has high profile writers. If Hutchinson wanted to do a film, the option is there, but they don't seem to even bother requesting that he pen a script. He's in a unique position that he shouldn't have to pitch anything to them before they even consider him for the job. Watchmen is a critically acclaimed comic book, but that doesn't mean Alan Moore could write a good film. I'm just saying, just because you're good at one thing doesn't necessarily mean you'll be good at the other.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so at least when we do see it it looks pretty bad ass. Also, here's an interview you might like.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

It does seem interesting, but I'm still on the fence about H2. I read the interview with Scout (I have it saved), plus that interview I just gave you with Toth. I plan on going through them again when I have time and see what I can scrape up and see if it's enough to go ahead and start the article (though, I still have no friggin clue what it's called. Zombie has never called it "H2"....beyond the artwork....Scout refers to it as "Halloween 2". I think Toth referred to it as "Halloween 2"...I'm clueless). The way Toth describes Michael's appearance, it doesn't sound (sound...though I may be wrong) like he's just picking up random masks and putting them on. It sounds more like his mask goes through some dramatic changes throughout the film and just looks almost indistinguishable to the original. I mean, look at the one in the image. If I put them up in front of you, without having mentioned Halloween, you might be hard pressed to just jump to the idea that it was Michael Myers (assuming of course you hadn't seen the remake). IDK. As for Wolverine, I have no intention of seeing that in the theaters. I've seen some trailers that look cool, and others that look like it was some hand-me-down production value. Some of the SFX looked like crap too in the trailer. That one's up in the air as to whether it will be even decent.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Buffy

You give up editing Wikipedia? I'm 3 episodes from finishing Buffy completely. I wasn't really impressed with season six. I felt like it was nothing but sex. I mean, I get their reasoning for why she was with Spike, but to was just too sexualized. I feel like season seven is the best "season", because it's the most focused season of all of them. Just about every episode is focused on continuing the primary story arc, whereas the other seasons seemed to take breaks and do those FotW episodes to "fill" the season. One qualm, the Letterman Jacket episode seemed like it should have been somewhere in the first 3 seasons. It seemed really out of place in season seven. Also, did you notice (I'm sure you did) how Andrew's sexuality seemed to change during season six? Initially, he seemed like the typical, nerdy male (he and Warren trying to score free cable porn), then all of a sudden his comments begin to be more homoerotic in nature. It looked like they just decided that he'd be more interesting, or funny if he was making subtle comments that reveal his real orientation. I was kind of tiffed by a continuity error as well. The knife Andrew uses to kill Jonathan was left inside Jonanthan. It's still there when Wood finds his body...but later Andrew pulls it out of the Summer's kitchen drawer.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, don't get me wrong. I find Buffy/Spike way better than Buffy/Angel. To me, the BS relationship seems to mean a bit more, because it wasn't like Angel had to do anything to earn Buffy's love. Spike was basically a neutered vampire. He could have simply left Sunnydale and orchestrated evil. Instead, he chose to help the Scoobies and Buffy, because he was in love. He has a much better journey toward redemption than Angel does/did, IMO. And for me, it all started back with the BuffyBot, where Glory kidnapped and tortured Spike to learn about the key. I just felt like that season, since the moment they first had sex, every episode after that had to have them having sex. Weren't you the one that told me that SMG even had an issue with that season? But, don't get me wrong, it isn't that I don't like the season. I just didn't care for the overt (my feelings) sexual tone. BTW, "Once More With Feeling" is probably my favorite episode of the series.

You have to remember, I've seen the majority of these, but being able to watch a lot of these episodes in order and in entirety helped a lot. I have to agree somewhat that I really didn't care for how they characterized Willow's addiction to magic. It works with Smallville and red-kryptonite, because Red K is supposed to be a symbolic representation of alcohol. I never got that feeling with magic and how it affected Willow. I enjoyed the final episodes (again, because I got to seem them in order and in entirety), but for some reason I felt like what they dropped the ball on was Willow's dialogue. For some reason, it really took me out of the moment. It didn't seem to fit either Willow or a dark version of Willow.

I'm fine with the way Andrew is...kind of like how I love how Anya is. The problem comes when there isn't consistency from the moment we meet them and instead of maybe doing something gradual they just kind of snap them into a new personality. I don't have a problem with the limited screen time. SMG gets most, as she should. But season six was really all about Willow and Buffy (the Xander/Anya thing was a side note, IMO). Your thoughts on the football jacket episode?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Like I said, it wasn't the darkness itself, it was just the overly sexualized relationship between Spike and Buffy. You need it, but you could have done without some of the actual sex stuff. I mean, given the show's particular audience, it was extremely adult and sent a lot of bad messages. That's just me.

I'm a closet musical lover, so "OMWF" was fun. I even went and downloaded a bunch of the songs (and put the actual soundtrack on my Amazon wishlist). Like, Hedwig and the Angry Inch is one of my favorite rock musicals (and I want to get that opera movie, cannot think of the name, with Anthony Stewart Head).

See, I don't think so about Andrew. He doesn't "act" like he's acting "hetero". There was that whole, "can't wait to have sex with Warren's ex" episode (kind of creepy btw..lol). As far as Warren goes, I actually loved hating the character. I thought he was a horrible character, but for some reason I thought that was great. When we first meet him, you kind of feel sorry for him. But it seems in the time that lapsed he became a pretty evil bastard (hiding most of it from Jonathan and Andrew). I actually enjoy watching The First pretend to be him, but as stupid as "The Trio" was for a Buffy villain (which the show often acknowledged with self-deprecating humor toward the group), they really grew on you. I think it was their own naivety about how "super-villainy" they actually were. I love when Andrew's recalling his "checkered past" in "Storytelling", which tended to illustrate that point that they were really delusional about how "powerful" they were. (P.S. New photo)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Prude? You're talking to the guy who loves F13 movies, which are virtually porn with killings. I guess I'm more of a "prude" when it comes to my heroes. I cringe when I see Clark and Lana having sex - I even cried out "No!" when they both lost their virginities to each other in season five's "Mortal". The inappropriateness is the whole "friends with benefits" (though they really were not friends) aspect. It almost seemed to condone the idea that if you like the person it's ok to just sleep around. It sends mixed messages from a character that generally has a lot of high morals (I mean, she won't even kill a human who really did deserve to die, but she's got no problem "shagging" in the balcony of a club). It's almost like, "It's ok to be a slut, so long as you don't kill anyone." (;)..lol exaggeration, but I think you understand my point).

Um, I like them all but if I had to pick some favorites they would be: "Rest in Piece" (reminds me a lot of Joss's Firefly theme); "Walk Through the Fire", and then a tie between "I've Got a Theory" and "Something to Sing About". I think the former is hilarious, especially Anya's rant about the bunnies, and I think the latter is very poignant - specifically when she reveals that she was in Heaven. They're all catchy, and I enjoy them all. I know this one wasn't in that episode, per say, but I do like "I'll Be Mrs..." - I like how it was played in the episode as (never really say if it was) if was Anya's last thoughts before dying (though she wasn't dead).

I have no real thoughts on Kennedy. To me, she's just there. On a hetero level, I find her sexy as hell. On a TV watchers level, she's just "eh". I like how she pursued Willow, but to me she was just another "Potential", lost in the crowd....well, except for the fact that Buffy basically made her second-n-command of the others. I'll say that I didn't "not like" seeing Tara in season six like I did before. She grows, but I still didn't find a lot of sadness when she was killed. It may stem from the fact that me original introductions to her before watching the show in linear format were her death (unaffected) and early episodes where she is a stammering, oxygen stealer. So, it was a long ways to climb up the ladder for me. I think it could also be that almost all of the other characters are "funny", to a degree...even Giles. She really wasn't all that funny, and humor makes me bond better with fictional characters.

Apparently the trailer is only coming out with Wolverine in like New York and Chicago (or something like that), no where else. I always thought there was a "loop hole " that 70% thing. What was always said was, "He's not in the mask for 70% of the movie", and not "He's not in the mask for 70% of the time we see him". If the movie is about Laurie, like Zombie says, then of course he wouldn't be in the mask for 70% of it...he wouldn't be in the damn film at all for 70% of it...just a potential loophole. I think I'm sticking with my theory that there aren't "different masks", but different things that happen to this mask. (P.S. Reading those pages: "And suddenly, Daniel Craig is my new favorite Bond"....tsk tsk, Timothy Dalton is going to cry.)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Not "whiter than white". Darkness is fine, I just don't particularly care for every detail of the way they handled Buffy's venture into the dark realm. I mean, darkness can be fun. Clark's romp through Metropolis on Red K is kind of fun, or when he oversteps his boundaries after his father dies or Lana gets married. I just don't aspects of what they did.

"Sefless" is ok. I liked it for finally going deeper into Anya's character, and really for the moment at the end between Xander and Anya. To me, I thought they never should have had Xander walk out on her at the wedding...but what can you do.

Roger Moore is dead last on my Bond list. I hate him as Bond. I've never had a chance to see the two Dalton films. I think George Lazenby is highly underrated, and Connery (as much as I like him) I think is a little (just a little) overrated. I like Craig the best, and Brosnan was good...in Goldeneye (but I cannot fault him for just horrible overall Bond films).

I'll probably finish the season tonight, which I think I've seen these last episodes before. It was really sad when everyone basically mutinied Buffy this past episode. It made me angry.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't rank episodes on what they are trying to accomplish, but how entertained I am. "Selfless" was great about expanding Anya's story, I just wasn't entertained with it (a part from the "I'll Be Mrs..." part). I would certainly rank it high on my list, but not in the top 3...or maybe top 5. Oh, I wasn't saying that I couldn't see how he could do that, because I do. I just don't like it. I wanted them to be together, because they were perfect for each other.

I don't think you could argue "it was out of character", I mean, out of character for who? You have a bunch of pre-teen girls who don't really know Buffy...so of course they're going to turn toward Faith (the "new" Slayer in their lives). Wood was just put in his place by Buffy over the shenanigans with Spike, plus that semi-spark he had with Faith when they first met. Giles I can easily see, because he clearly shows his feelings of Buffy choosing Spike over just about everyone else. Xander...well, he was doped up, in pain, and it's understandable that his heart wouldn't be in it like it was. Hell, it didn't help that Caleb basically called him out on his position in the group and punished him for it (love that line, "So you're the one that sees everything." after Dawn had said the same thing to him before, clearly foreshadowing his ultimate demise). If anything, I think Dawn was the only one that felt a little "much". I have a bit of trouble believing that she would side with Faith, given that she pretty much loathed Faith's return when she showed up. Does one night on the town with Faith automatically fix everything? IDK, but that's just one person and there was clear consensus from the whole room that Buffy should go. So, no, I don't think it was OOC at all for the most part. It really seemed more like everyone had hit their end with her.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Good moments, just not enough for my taste. Still, I think season seven is the best all around season of any. A few questions unanswered is neither here nor there. It's focused and doesn't dilly dally on filler episodes like the previous seasons did (how most shows do). It usually takes me awhile to get through Buffy seasons, and I just started this one the other day.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Filler doesn't necessarily mean that there is absolutely not plot development, it just means that wasn't the primary story. Fillers are usually FotW or something else that isn't primarily associated with "Story A" for the season. Typically in those episodes, what minimal season development you get could have been placed in another episode, but because they are contracted for a certain number they space out the story and provide "filler" episodes that remind you of the overall plot of the season but the primary story for the episode doesn't deal with it directly. Season seven has like what, one or two of those types of episodes? The only directly obvious one I can think of is the sports jacket one.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that. The first episode laid the seeds for the whole season, with Buffy finding Spike in the basement of the school and your first introduction to the Hellmouth's reactivation. Then "Beneath You" begins the introduction of the First storyline more completely. I guess "Same Time, Same Place" is kind of filler because it really doesn't focus on anything but Willow's return to Sunnydale. "Help" probably is as well. Maybe it isn't that seven has less fillers, but they just threw them all in the front so that they could focus more on the remaining episodes.

I think it was Gough who commented on the differences between a serialized show and one that focuses solely on the mythology. Because the first season of Smallville was pretty much 21 episodes of FotW, which annoyed critics, and really fans of Superman. He made the comment that you have to find a balance, because you have hardcore fans who want nothing but focused, mythos stories (most of the time) and then you have the general audience who doesn't really care about the mythos and typically enjoy the "filler" episodes because they usually focus more on something they are interested in. Plus, the "filler" episodes have the benefit of generally not requiring a backstory, and thus anyone walking into the show mid-season doesn't feel lost - whereas with a mythos heavy season unless you do recaps all the time then the audience is lost if they haven't been keeping up.

Speaking of seasons, I just finished this one. I realized when it ended that you don't see Kennedy again after she gives Buffy the axe. So, I went to her page (nothing but plot..lol..but served my purpose) to find out she was still alive and was with Willow. Then I read that they are planning on rewriting the history by having Willow go back in time to save Tara, and thus voiding her relationship with Kennedy (P.S. What a graphic little sex scene between those two in the last episode. Rolling the pierced tongue up and down her neck...I mean, from my stand point that was hot, but for a TV show not on FX at 10pm at night that was rather intense). What is your thoughts on that? Personally, I like her with Kennedy better.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but earlier seasons seemed to have even less to do with the overall storyline in those types of eps. Even season six, with it's dark nature did that. I mean, you have the continual "Willow going bad" thing, but "The Trio" was like all but abandoned for a long while it seemed. Maybe it just seemed like they couldn't figure out what their "Story A" was supposed to be for that season, and that's why they bounced around between Buffy/Spike, Willow/Tara, and The Trio. It seemed like they were cramming a lot of stuff into the season, and it eventually didn't all come to fruition the way they possibly planned it to.

I couldn't remember exactly when it was, because they're in bed, alone, an awful lot in those final episodes. I love how Kennedy almost made Willow act as if she was learning she was a lesbian for the first time. Yeah...I think they got lucky. I mean, "barely able to kiss" to "softcore porn" (slight exaggeration, but still that was like, "Holy Shit! Did they just do what I think they did").  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Now it's on to Angel, though I have no idea when I'll get around to buying those seasons. Oh did you hear (probably not), that the rumor is Welling didn't sign on for season nine. He actually signed on for seasons nine and ten (pending good ratings in season nine).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, technically Smallville is earning the same, if not slightly better ratings than Terminator - and that latter is on FOX. Season 8 has been really good. IMO, it's better than season seven. Clark is making a lot of big steps toward becoming "Superman" (the actual persona). He's already developed a "dual identity" with his "Red-Blue Blur" persona...changing out of his Daily Planet suit and into his blue shirt and red jacket when he fights crime. Plus, Welling and Durance have way better chemistry than Welling and Kreuk had, making the Lois and Clark scenes a must see. Their constant sarcasm with each other, when you know (and at this point in the series they actually know) that they are in love with each other. I cannot wait for the final two episodes. "Injustice" is supposed to be where Tess unleashes her "Injustice League", which is a group of meteor-powered individuals, to look for Davis. Apparently she double crosses them and they go balistic. Then "Doomsday" is supposed to have the biggest fight scene in all of Smallville between Clark and Doomsday.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:24, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. It isn't the "teaser", it's something Zombie cooked up for ET. I'm really annoyed that they are only broadcasting the teaser in NY and LA...and that no one has managed to get a stolen copy of it yet. (P.S. I forgot to ask this before, but what happened to the new Slayer that should have been called upon when Buffy died at the end of season five?)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, she certainly looks like she's going to catch it in this film. I don't know when this happens, because they were mingling the hospital scenes with other scenes later in the film, and "Annie" didn't look all stitched up after her first meeting with Michael. She looked like she had healed..but maybe the shot was too quick to tell anything. I've read mixed feelings about the "hoodie", but to me it seems right. I mean, he was shot in the head (somewhere) so he's probably really bloody and nasty looking and a hoodie would help hide a lot of that - draw less attention to himself.

Well, if that's the case with the Slayer line, then shouldn't Faith be "The Slayer"? If her bloodline is the only one that matters, in all technicalness, Buffy should have been following her from the start of her arrival. But that also brings into question that none of them must have known that little tidbit given everyone's comments about "if Buffy dies, one of us will be the next Slayer". Even Buffy made that comment. It really sounds more like they just forgot about that little plot detail and decided to retcon (unofficially, because I assume Joss has never actually touched on this in the comics) an explanation for that. Oh well, it wasn't anything major, just something that I thought of when I first started watching season six and then into season seven when all the potential Slayers were arriving. Speaking of Buffy, when are you going to finish her page? It would be good to have such a well known TV character become a featured article (anything is better than Nikki and Paulo).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

According to Zombie, this isn't a remake of the Halloween II. The hospital stuff is just in the beginning, because most of the movie takes place 2 years later, and he said that even the hospital stuff isn't the same as it was for the 1981 movie. I put it as "Annie" because we usually refer to her by "Danielle", the actress. I don't know..I just do that some times. I heard the beard is in the film, because Michael spends much of those two years living in the woods, living off the land and such. So, I'm sure they'll be times when he's maskless and we see the beard...though I assume that will be toward the end of his two year stint since Mane's beard is real and it would be quite odd for him to be seen with the beard only a month or so after the events of the first film.

Well yeah, I wasn't that I don't see why Buffy is considered "The Slayer". I mean hell, if I'd died (twice) and had been around for years doing that job then you'd have a helluva time trying to take that position away from me. Especially so when you're an escaped convict. I just thought it was funny that the Watchers' Counsel didn't bring that up, since they supposedly "know everything".

Don't worry about the F13 FAN. That was killed more from what's her face than anything - it was closed after 3 days, while most of the other articles had been (still are) up for like 10 days or more. Anyway, I'm going to make one more pass through the article for redundancies before I nominate it again. Have at it with the comics page...though I hope you try and finish Buffy in the near future. I mean, again, if Nikki and Paulo can be a featured article...hell, Clark Kent (Smallville) should already be featured. ;) Seriously, it's like the article is right there, just needs some reception info and such. Plus, she's such a huge figure as far as scholarly works go, the article could be Jason-length.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not that I liked the long hair, it's just that I understood how he could have it. I mean, if the boy looks completely innocent one minute and then cuts the throat of a nurse the next...sorry, I don't want to be the one to cut that boy's hair. As for the beard, again it's going with Zombie's more "realistic" approach to the character. If he's on the lam, I doubt he's taking time to shave.

Maybe if I get some time I'll check on Buffy stuff and craft some sections for you. This is my last semester of course work for my Masters degree (I have a summer internship and then I'm done), so I should have a bit more time (though that's subjective) for this kind of stuff. As for the prose stuff, the problems with F13 were basically redundancies (e.g., overly explaining something....which, I have a tendency to be wordy) and, ironically the opposite, lack of explanation (e.g., introducing elements as if everyone already knows them). I could probably definitely use your help with that on the Smallville related stuff, because even though you've watched the series you haven't watched it like I have (I think I've watched the entire series like 4 or 5 times), you'll be able to pick up on things I miss in that regard. Speaking of, rumor is that there might not be a Season 8 Companion book for Smallville, because the sales haven't been great for the Season 7 Companion. So, that could hurt some of the articles.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, the lovely curse of Thorn. Wherever would we have gone without the Curse of Thorn? lol. Buffy's no bother. I mean, I'm not promising, just saying if I get some time I'll try and utilize my university search engine before they revoke my clearance. :D Where did you stop with Smallville? I'm trying not to start any "new" shows, because I know the g/f wants to watch a few of them and I'll catch hell for starting them without her. I'm safe with Angel, because I'm not even sure that she has any interest in Buffy, let alone Angel. BTW, I picked up Repo! The Genetic Opera over the weekend (along with The Spirit, Sin City, Disturbia, The Day The Earth Stood Still, and The Happening), with Anthony Stewart Head...I'll probably watch that sometime this weekend. Have you seen that?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

No I never suggested it, because I was already half way through when she finally got time to visit. Plus we have so many other shows. Maybe I'll suggest it whenever we have free time again...see if she likes it. I haven't see Repo yet. It's a rock musical that came out a little while ago. It's had mixed reviews, but that doesn't mean anything. As for The Happening, a lot of people hated Lady in the Water but I actually think it was one of Shyamalan's (sp) best films. So, I'll reserve judgment on this one till I see it for myself.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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Watch this before they remove it. It's shitty quality.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you get Yahoo Movies? If so, it'll get released there as well, which will be better quality than YouTube, I'm sure. Um, you see the scenes from the ET clip, plus more. You get a better look at the hospital stuff. You still really don't see how this is all going to affect Laurie too much, though you get some dialogue for it. I'm not sure what he's planning to do with Deborah, but you see quite a bit of Sheri Moon and Deborah seems to be pushing Michael to kill more people. She makes a comment about "their blood", but I couldn't catch all of it. It was a bad bootleg...probably from someone's cell phone. You also see that he's calling it "H2" and nothing else.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

How much is repeated on the series' main page? If it's all there (p.s. you shouldn't have blank sections with "please expand" on the mainspace), then there isn't a need for a page right now.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but when did Pamela ever actually say that to Jason? She said it to herself, when she was having a psychotic break, but you never see her actually say it Jason. Nor do you see him fantasize about it. You see him fantasize about Pamela telling him she was pleased with him and that he could stop (only speaking of Betsy Palmer and the real "Pamela"...not the Freddy bit from FvJ). We also don't know the context in which Zombie is using that. The trailer isn't very clear about anything, probably because it's a teaser. H2 seems like the official title, because that's what appears on the trailer...no other subtitle.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Eh, don't we all have mommy issues? ;) That little kid is in the trailer. He's wearing like a clown outfit, and he sees Michael and he's like, "Are you a giant?" Um, apparently there is a major Halloween celebration (either in Haddonfield...doubt it after Michael...or wherever Laurie is) and they are there. Uncle Coffins is like a TV personality, kind of like Joe Bob Briggs and his Monster Movie marathon thing he ran (not sure if you got that over there). I think he's hosting the town celebration, and the band is a band playing the celebration. It's supposed to be really big in the movie (though, not necessarily very long). I kind of liken it to Halloween 6, where they had that celebration (I think it was in 6...my memory is a little fuzzy on which one had the radio disc jockey hosting a Halloween celebration).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Bill Moseley was supposed to do it, and they filmed some scenes with him but he had to drop out because he was filming another movie. So they brought in someone else and re-filmed Moseley's scenes.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't entirely impressed (now that I see the non-bootleg version). There are things that look good and things that don't. I think the way they cut it I have no idea what this mask is going to look like at which point in the movie. I have to agree that the hospital scene looks like a dream sequence, because it appears like she wakes up right when he goes to grab her.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I see the mask. I just cannot tell which versions of the mask I'm looking at for which part of the film. There was one instance where you see the bloody-version (which looks cool) and another where you see Tyler's face (clean...not bloody) that didn't really look all that good. I thought the helicopter scene made the mask look a lot like that in the Halloween 4 and 6 sequels.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Did you once tell me you were on Xbox Live?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I got tired of them cheating us out of the PC equivalents to the Xbox games, or giving us crappy ports. Plus, I've been having trouble getting my Games for Windows Live to work (had to uninstally GTA IV (PC) for it to work again), so I decided to pick an Xbox up.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I haven't picked up GTA IV for the XBOX yet (still only have it for the PC), but I plan to. The box came with Sonic Tennis, and some arcade games. I bought Gears of War 2 (had the first one for my PC and I've played 2 awhile ago on a buddy's xbox). My buddy is letting me borrow Dead Rising and Mortal Kombat vs. DC. He gave me (he didn't want them) the Kung-Fu Panda game and Lego Indiana Jones. Don't know if I'll play Panda, but I love the Lego games. I have the Lego Star Wars games for the PC. But GTA IV is on my list (won't get that for a couple of weeks...when my loans come in), as well as this new UFC 2009 - I played the demo and it's awesome. You should sign up for LIVE. It's expensive to purchase initially, but if you buy it for a year it's £40 and you don't have to worry about it till 12 months later.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't know if you can view this, but you might find it interesting. I know you aren't even close to season 8 of Smallville, but I figured I give you a taste of what this season's finale will be like.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I've said, as I learned more about about what they were planning, that I think they are going through with their version of that storyline. I mean, you have Justive League members in the finale who try and stop "Doomsday" (really Davis), just like in the comics. Then you have a big showdown between Clark and Doomsday. I wouldn't surprise me if they did kill him, or if they at least had the cliffhanger be the two of them lying unconscious on the ground as the episode ends. From the trailer you can clearly see that they are going to show Doomsday in all his glory...no "in the shadows" or "low lighting" tricks from what I can see. The producers have said that the season 8 finale is supposed to line the show up pretty closely with the DC mythology for the ninth season.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

As long as it evolves, I don't really care. I mean, this season has been really good overall. I mean, I'm all for "ending on a high note", but I'm also of the belief that if something is working well there isn't a reason to just end it. You can have a crappy season and still end on a high note (i.e. season nine could suck but they could craft a great series finale out of it and it would all still be worth it). After season 7 of Buffy I kind of wanted more. I mean, that was my favorite season and I felt like they could have continued to tell that tale (just like they can continue to tell Clark's tale regardless of whether he has the tights or not...though I really wish they'd tackle the flight thing).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

He still lives in Smallville, and they still have episodes that take place there. Metropolis is just a more predominate setting because it's where he and Lois work now. You can drag this on for awhile still, because you have to remember two things. First, this is their interpretation of "Superman", which means there is no set time limit to when he becomes "Superman". Second, which is a play on that time limit aspect, the first 4 seasons he was just a kid. Hell, even now he's only like 23 yrs old on the show. That's really young when you think about it. In the movie he was like 28-30 when he first showed up as "Superman". I'm not sure if his exact age in the comics, but I'm pretty sure he was well into his twenties when he first showed up with the big "S" on his chest. So, technically speaking they could legitimately go for a couple more years without the question of "why isn't he 'Superman' yet" really being an issue. I know most fans want him to be Superman and have the tights and fly around...but this isn't the comic, or some lead-in for the comics. It's its own thing and it's definitely growing as a show each year.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, to a degree it is, but the only reason that assessment could be made is based off of previous live-action incarnations of the character. It's the association with those versions that makes us look at Smallville and say, "This is really 'Superman' now". I don't know if we'll ever see flying on a regular basis, or the tights, or even hear the name "Superman" used as more than just a euphamism for Clark's character. In "Stiletto", Clark (in his Red-Blue Blur persona) talks to Lois on the phone and the topic of his current monicker is brought up as being "a bit of a mouthful". Clark even suggests that there is a better name for him, and that he knows Lois can discover that name for him. But, I have no idea what the legal rights are right now. The film division is so protective over their characters and relationships that it's hard to know what's allowed. Initially Lois was only allowed if her and Clark didn't have a romantic relationship. At the time, Smallville could not even have those "pretend" moments where they kiss. That seems to have changed, because everyone knows that Lois and Clark are "in-love" (even the two of them). It may be that because of the failure of Superman Returns, and the delay in getting a new Superman film off the ground that the film division is giving Smallville more allowances with the characters. Maybe we'll get to see the tights (though according to the producers the only person not wanted to do the tights is Welling), maybe we'll hear him referred to as "Superman". To me, the fact that the show is called "Smallville", when it isn't primarily set there, is neither here nor there. One cannot expect a show to change its name when it evolves into a greater entity. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a little inauspicious given that she only really kills vamps as a side job and is really battling much larger foes from season three onward. Vamps are definitely still there, but they aren't usually her primary villains. Smallville hasn't primarily been in Smallville since like season six. What I see right now is the best incarnation of the character that we have, and I don't see a reason to kill it on the assumption (not yours, but the studios) that a film will become just as popular, especially given the fact that that theory has already been proven wrong with Superman Returns.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey could you assist Zythe in the GAR for Cordelia. I have left some comments on the GAR page, but it looks like he's been largely inactive for the most part (hence why I don't want to fail the page b/c he just hasn't been able to get to the edits). The GAR really needs to be closed here soon, and I know that you know enough about the character and the show to make the adjustments necessary to fast track that process.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Um, the only two things I can think of are the episode title identifiers and the quotes. The quotes are not a huge deal, but I would take care of them eventually (I'm referring to paraphrasing more quotes instead of just quoting large chunks), but I'm not terribly worried about that for the GAN. Just make sure that wherever an episode title can and should be used that it is. Do a quick once over to see if you see anything, and then just let me know. You took care of the other issues.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Fun, relatively easy new project

Some user created Echo (Dollhouse), which I think is probably a bit premature. However, we have TONNES of information about Echo's conception, portrayal, and reception (most of which handily linked on Whedonesque and DollhouseWiki) to use to improve the article. Would you like to help get this article looking GA-able? I am personally of the opinion that it should have waited until the season had aired, as there currently is a very slowly unfolding plot. Meh.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

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Faith

Hi ! Thanks for the great work you've done in the Faith article, I'm currently translating it for the french wikipédia :). It's really nice to have "just" a translation to do in order to have a well written article with accurate references ! Léna (talk) 10:13, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi again ! I've worked on the Faith article in French, using Buffy Studies such as slayageonline.com and or Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Philosophy. I asked if the article worths the "Good Article" status and I was answered that providing philosophical analyses of the character was useless. Do you think this kind of work would be welcome here ? I'm not kind at ease yet to write in English, so you'll need to watch me to correct my grammar :) Léna (talk) 15:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate: Proposed topic ban of Nintendoman01 from Buffy/Angel articles

Hi, I've started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Buffyverse#Proposal:_Community_topic_ban_of_nintendoman01, which I believe could benefit from your input. Please consider this an invitation to participate. Jclemens (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Buffy Season Eight

Gah. Yes. It looks like it will be "dark" and "serious" but it will still be some nonsense, probably rubbish, and it will confirm everything the people who never saw the TV series already think the show is. It's really hard convincing people who've never seen much of it what a good show it is. Also: Lost, Dollhouse? (And I was about to ask, does an appearance like this... http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/05/25/captain-jack-stars-in-a-very-special-doctor-who-episode/ warrant inclusion in the Jack article?) ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The Sarah Connor thing is sad, because season two was so much better than season one and building again on their mistakes, a hypothetical third season would have been really great. Dollhouse, if you want to get really into the good bits, I advise you watch episode two as a "pilot" (the first five are essentially that) and skip to six, then watch 7-13 to blow your mind! Then watch 1, 3, 4 and 5 later for kicks / completism! ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

OMG. Retreat. Best yet? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, on points, but I feel the story was well-executed and economical with the boring details. You have to be sort of attentive. I was reading Q&A with Scott Allie earlier which filled me with SO much optimism that Joss has this whole arc plotted out for the characters, thematically and emotionally as well as in terms of sheer plot goodness. Have you read Joss' "Always Darkest" webcomic? It's set in Buffy Season Eight, there's Angel/Spike slash, and a wacky wedding with so many cool cameos. Oh, and it's all Jo Chen.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 16:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I was very tempted to pick up After the Fall Epilogue but didn't. Although I do sorta want the complete "After the Fall" story. I wonder if this sudden jump back is to test if people will return if they hear it's Lynch/Urru? I have no intention of reading Aftermath though, and the Spike ongoing probably isn't going to excite me either. I will occasionally check online to "keep up" with the character but I imagine it's all going to be very comic booky, lots of back-and-forth character changes which aren't creatively driven. Scott Allie's comment on the Dawn arc is wonderful: he said it is not over just because the spell is broken (he said "this isn't Charmed!!") and that's exactly what I like, when the stories actually have an acutely character-driven element to them. I liked new Torchwood a whole lot and am already geeking out. I loved the little Dalek and Martha references (although I'm glad the word Dalek wasn't used!) and loved the Rupesh red herring (shame - he was hot). I am already thinking how Walker's opinion of the one-sided Janto relationship is more accurate than all the actors' fan-pleasing assertions that Jack and Ianto are "made for each other". And I like that the show is exploring Ianto's sexuality textually for once; shame it seems to contradict Twilight Streets ever-so-slightly. I can't help but wonder if Ianto's background (working-class Welsh, deceased father...) at all resonates with any aspects of Davies' own.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I would actually prefer Gwen and Jack to end up together. At least, let the baby be Jack's, that'll be one to divide the fans! If they wanted to make Jack and Ianto a love pair, they shouldn't be so afraid of fans. They should have started a season with Ianto having moved on, and then maybe some wooing - the Ross/Rachel approach. As it appears now, it's RTD's Queer As Folk your-rules-don't-apply-to-gays mentality. I don't mind the pushing back or the subverting of conventions, but I dislike that on one level (textually) it's being played as a very Stuart Alan Jones-type thing, whereas in interviews etc. it's a "love story." I do genuinely feel however that the cast are usually bullshitting when some internet blogger or DWM person catches them at a convention surrounded by fans and asks them those sorts of questions. The Torchwood fans are so touchy.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: the Jack article. The character appears in lots and lots of novels now, should I remove the listings of the various novels from the article itself and reformat it only to comment on the very relevant ones? Not having read them, I rely heavily on the information I can find in summaries (Wikia) and Amazon reviewers to understand which ones are worth recording. My take with the spin-off media is to write down any (pertinent?) information it gives on Jack's offscreen/prior life, so there are mentions of exes Duchess Eleanor and Greg Bishop alongside ones which explicitly fix continuity curiosities. What's your take on a format for this section? Once season three has aired, I've fixed up those sections and added new stuff from the season three reviews / commentaries / interviews etc., I would like to try FA again. There will always be new information as more articles / books etc. are released, but I feel after the series would be an easy point to try again. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I feel that too. A lot of the online stuff is of course electronic literature, but there is a lot of video footage too. Which complicates things. But, I suppose the medium is online nevertheless. Still, until the Monster Files references, it works by giving me an opportunity to plug The Torchwood Archives which appears to be full of canon tidbits and future episode predictions, as well as transcribed versions of all the website information. Would a structure like:

• Doctor Who books
• Torchwood books
• Torchwood comics (Doctor Who comics)
• Books like Torchwood Archives... bridge to...
• New section: online media
• torchwood.org.uk, BBC America
• Captain Jack's Monster Files

Should the special "Doctor Who: Tonight's the Night" go under reception or some sort of misc section? It would feel wrong to include it in appearances. Perhaps it would go with mentioning Jack's recognisability or pop culture presence?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Coe#4 was SO good. Now's a good time to get Ianto's article even higher up to scratch / further towards completion! The fan reaction is going to be so immense, already so illogical "omg worst writer ever". Clearly, the opposite.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

That's essentially all I was thinking of. On the whole, we've got the Torchwood articles looking alright. The lists are low priority. And I accidentally read definitive spoilers for tomorrow - woe is me. Well, partially, I avoided reading precisely what the deux es machina is but my eyes couldn't avoid the sombre epilogue description.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

No clue! I like this article[4] - kind of tacked on, but briefly suggests the plausibility of the cabinet's decisions 'in light of the expenses scandal'.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ALSO! Omg, Rictor! Woo.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 12:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Liefeld is such an arrogant prick. the character as originally conceived is rubbish anyway. Only the developments added by later writers make him interesting. Whenever Liefeld has had him since he's just reverted, hasn't he? Don't let him back into Marvel: who needs more mysognists and homophobes? Anyway the last I read from X-Factor was when Quicksilver was there with his strange homoerotic friendship with Rictor. I had started reading after PAD dropped hints he would be exploring Rictor's sexuality and I wanted to see how they dealt with bisexuality.

The Torchwood finale was excellent. I was impressed actually. The aliens mysterious motives etc. were all dispelled with some very base humour which served to highlight their pettiness and essentially what was their status as a plot device. So their destruction was necessarily unceremonious and brief. The Frobisher tragedy was something I'd imagined probably happened in a lot of Doctor Who stories before the day was finally saved. The Jack thing was terribly sad. But it's highlighting how he has some consistency in his pragmatics (12 children for the world who aren't his vs. 1 who is), and his heroism is shown to be inverse to his selfishness. Selfishness is what cast the MPs as the murky side of morally ambiguous. And of course, Riley taking over as PM was itself an injustice, as she had been the most evil of the MPs on the Cabinet. And what else? There were some interesting things going on with the Christian parallels, almost to the point where Jack becomes self-aware of his Christ position but with some sort of realisation that his existence is necessitating the sacrifice of others. The "Christological slippage" that occurs between Jack and "his only son", grandson Steven, also symbolises Jack's maturation. His exit, both in lights to the Heavens (to be the absentee-God bearing the suffering of his people) also makes him a moody wanderer alike the Doctor, his own father within the show's symbolic mythologies. I'm really intrigued by the idea of what critics might dig up from it all. I can feel RTD was trying to do stuff beneath the text, which is new for him.

It sounds to me like the Doctor Who finales are going to be "Restless"-inspired. I can't think of a better device for allowing fanservice, prophesy, reflection on emotional tangents we don't normally get to explore, and culmination of themes. Problem is, those kinds of dream sequences are very hard to execute and most people didn't get or like "Restless" when it first aired despite its brilliance.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. The reviews for this season of Torchwood have been fantastic, quite a few say "better than any Doctor Who" or "Is Torchwood now better than Doctor Who?" which is a case of the show finally reaching its potential. I put this down mostly to RTD's finer control; I do actually think he is a talented writer. The Christmas interviews do make it seem like the Donna, Jack etcetera that we see are just apparitions which would make more sense for their characters. You should never undo tragedy if it worked. If the next time we see Jack he's formed an outer-space crime-fighting duo with Jenny, it would be a let down, wouldn't it? A frighteningly possible one.

And yes, only one Torchwood member left in the whole world and she's pregnant! It ALMOST seems like RTD tore down the organisation to keep it exclusively under his pen should the BBC not commission the season four he has in mind. From interviews, again (unless he's lying to suspend the Day Five shocker) it sounds like he has a way of putting it all back. The only thing is, Lost, Heroes and Smallville are both prone to these kind of "oh no everyone's off doing their own thing slash dead" finale cliffhangers and all of them always spend too long undoing it for the first seven episodes or so. Buffy season three was the best example of how to pull your cast back together, but Torchwood already borrowed that approach in "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang." It seems almost like those rumours about a Jackless Torchwood could be possible. What if Gwen leads a new team of Johnson, Lois, Mickey and someone else with occasional appearances by Captain John? It would be very hard to put everything back together again over a miniseries; they'd have to start with a new status quo, and the writers seem to feel they're stuck in this format should they be asked to continue.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 12:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I liked Bruno, and you're right, it exposes something very ugly about the nature of homophobia which will be lost on a lot of viewers and reviewers. I didn't find it as funny as Borat, but that's maybe perhaps because I found Borat's exposé more frightening: the fallacy of Americanism, the bloodthirstiness towards the East, the way race is regarded. In all his movies, Cohen has largely been attacking the American working-class (and of course, with justification) for their ignorance. The middle-class are only mocked for their complicity and wilful obliviousness.

As for Torchwood Two, they included a shot on Lois' computer screen for the eagle-eyed fan which declares that Torchwood Two is no more, which is why it feels so much more like RTD intentionally taking the organisation out of play till his hands are securely back on it. Actually, I've come to appreciate Gwen too. And the need for Torchwood, with rogue secret agents out for a sort of secular moral justice, seems so much more necessary in the new Earth of "Homeworld Security", with the growing moral ambiguities of UNIT. I really dig the social commentary that the show has found an outlet for, increasingly (much the same who in Who and Sarah Jane).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 19:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Probably. I had heard that Moffat's plans with the BBC were to end Torchwood with a fourth series in 2010 before he new series of Dr Who (this was when the plan was for Series 3 to happen early in 2009). It sounds like the BBC have been a bitch to work with this year, tightening the purse strings and holding back real dramas from achieving a regular schedule. I don't know if anything that was on the card last year still counts. I'm pretty sure (from my gut, if nothing else) that this Sarah Jane series might be the last. The "full-on" DT Doctor Who crossover is going to be a treat, though. Actually, we'd best keep our eyes peeled for when s3 starts back, as that will be our next fix.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, btw, are you watching the UK airings of Dollhouse?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Some lucky pre-orderers got it on the Wednesday of Torchwood week and were able to spoil Thursday and Friday for us, too. ;) ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 08:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Terminator

I enjoyed it. It wasn't as good as Star Trek, but it was a good movie nonetheless. I love the Arnold scenes. Those were awesome. I liked Bale as Connor, but my only problem was that I think he was channeling his Batman voice too much. I mean, he can do a regular American accent, he did it in American Psycho. I don't know. I loved Sam as Marcus Wright. I think he did an excellent job at portraying the conflictedness of a man realizing that Skynet has been using him (P.S. also loved the twist at the end where they reveal that all of his "help" was really just part of his programming). I thought Blair and Barnes were a waste of space. Anton Yelchin is great. It amazes me (because I saw Terminator and Star Trek in the same day) that he portrayed two iconic film characters--Kyle Reese and Pavel Chekov--and was perfect in both of the roles. I though he managed to capture the Kyle Reese persona so well, that I really felt like I was watching a younger version of Michael Biehn.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not that I didn't like them, I just felt like they were a waste of space in the film. Barnes especially. You get that quick point that his brother was killed in the last battle, and then that's supposed to be all we need to understand why he hates machines so much that he'd torture Marcus by shooting him over and over again for fun? Really? Almost anyone could have been in that part. Blair had more to go with, probably because she was in it more, but I never really understood why she was so into Marcus. I get that he saved her, but she seemed to be throwing her shit out there a little too easily. Makes me wonder if she wasn't getting around the Resistance campfire like the town bicycle. I mean, it was cool that there was a human/machine connection, but I just don't think they developed that relationship between her and Marcus all that effectively.

You have to remember, Yelchin's Reese hasn't been in the prison camp for real yet (unless where he was was McG's version of that...but the way Biehn describes it in the first film it made it seem like it was more than just a night's stay). Plus, he's really young right now. He's still got another 10 years before he gets sent back to the past, so that's a long time of fighting to harden someone up. I felt like at this point in his life, he's still optimistic about winning, and that eventually he loses that optimism, gains it back when John and the fighters defeat Skynet, but then loses it again when he learns that Skynet sent someone back to the past to kill John's mother and effectively John. In short, I think there is a lot of character growth he has yet to go through, and I'm glad to see that it is probably someone that will happen over time.

BTW, go see Star Trek. Even if you aren't a Trek fan, you'll like the movie. I was never big into it, but it's an awesome movie. They do much better explaining time paradoxes and such.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not discounting her feelings, just that it seemed liked she was throwing herself around more than Buffy season 6. ;) Well, you have to remember that this takes place after T3, which means that he's aware that they are going to try and send Terminators in to kill him, so he's probably cautious of all Terminators that he doesn't personally reprogram.

Oh, that was clear nepotism. John was just giving it to him to give it to him. In the least it was because he kept his cool while being imprisoned and helped out. Also, I'm pretty sure that anyone who shows up at a Resistance camp wanting to fight would automatically get one.

Simon Pegg was great. Star Trek did a much better job of making those classic lines of the characters seem more like a natural part of the dialogue than Terminator did.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's really only a 1 line type of thing, and I think it had to do more with the fact that Marcus was wearing it but not acting like he was Resistance. Then when Marcus pointed out that he didn't have a red stripe I think his comment was more of a response after basically being insulted. They did an "I'll be back" reference. It was the last thing Conner said to Kate before he left for the Skynet base. She said, "What should I tell your men when you don't return?" and he was like, "Tell them, 'I'll be back'". I was find with the "Come with me" because it was Kyle, and he's technically the first one to ever say it. It seemed to make it something that was a part of his speech for a long time.

I think I read somewhere that Pegg said his girlfriend is the one that taught him the Scottish accent, because she's Scottish. I think he did fine with it. I never felt like I was listening to a Brit use a Scot accent...but then again, you'd probably be able to tell better than I would. I was really impressed with Karl Urban, because he usually sucks in whatever he's playing, but he was great as Dr. McCoy.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's called initiative. They should it in X2 and he showed it throughout Terminator. You don't have to do something great to get one. The "Get Out" line was where Marcus was trying to get the little kid out of the truck when he was trying to leave.

I've never really watched the show, but the movies are alright. Wrath of Khan and First Contact are the best ones.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

She was piloting the jet over to them to pick them up (ala an impromtu rescue that wasn't all that great). Stop degrading Bryan Singer's movie, it's way better than that Brett Ratner shit that passes off as X3. The red jacket aside, to me that was a young version of Kyle Reese. IMO, you cannot expect your characters to act like their counterparts that are typically years older/younger (older for Kyle, and younger for John), because time changes people in different ways.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, I'm not a fictional teenage mutant girl. With that theory, Rogue is just as useless given that you basically doesn't exhibit any of her iconic abilities. Plus, Iceman's also not a kid in the comics...at least not kid in the sense that he is in the movies. He's usually older. One scene of Iceman icing up does not save that movie from the trash that it was. I saw Wolverine'. It wasn't that bad. I think the poor special effects were too distracting and hurt the movie a lot. You also do no cut Deadpool's head off. I don't care if there is a cut scene later showing him still alive, you don't do that shit. Plus the fact that they changed Deadpool's origins to that of a genetically engineered mutant with Wade's head. I also don't recall Deadpool ever having Cyclop powers. For Marvel having control over their own movies now, I was really surprised they allowed such deviation from the source material.

John changes into a man who accepts his destiny, but is faced with the hard reality that no one else is accepting that destiny. He knows he's supposed to be leading everyone, but none of the leaders actually care. He's a grunt basically (even though he does command some troops).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

That was her primary power, but if you say her name it's not what she's best known for outside of the films. They never even seemed to try and tackle the idea that she might keep these things for longer. It wasn't complete trash no...It was certainly worth the $7...but Brett started altering the characteristics and personalities of the characters Singer had established. Wolverine yelling out "Hold that line", and becoming a big 'ol leader came out of nowhere really. He's always been a loner, especially in the movies. He'll help fight, but typically his own way (which is kind of scene in the very beginning).

Maybe if Jonathan Nolan had written the entire film, instead of just the last act it would have been better all around? You have to admit, the last act was pretty sweet. Good action, great moment where Marcus realizes that he has been used by Skynet the whole time. I did like how they explained the scars as well.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I've been working on this, want to know what you think. I know you haven't gotten too far into season six of Smallville, or beyond, but just your thoughts on the setup. I noticed that I have these characters that are getting more screen time on the show (recurring guests), and the companions are giving them some space, but they really aren't notable in their own right...at least not enough to warrant a whole page to each individual character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Not among casual fans. Casual fans first think of the animated series, which focused on her flying and strength. Only the hardcore fans even knew about the absorption thing before the first film. Well, you have to admit, Hugh Jackman and the Wolverine character are much easier to sell to audiences than any of the other characters are/were. That's why we got a Wolverine movie and not a Cyclops movie, or a Rogue movie, or a Storm movie...or anyone else for that matter.

Yeah, according to McG, J. Nolan wrote like the entire third act and he was pissed that the WGA didn't give him writing credit for it.

Well, as they appear in more episodes I was being forced to realize that they are not "recurring guests". Since the companions are seeing fit to include some real world info on them it was either create 4 new sections and develop them in the style of Oliver Queen...or, create a new page for all of them to exist and trim Oliver's section down to something like Clark's section and then create sections for the others that mirror that setup as well. The thing with Martha and Jonathan is that they aren't going to get any bigger. We still have season 9 ahead of his, and potentially season 10, which means potentially more appearances from these members as well as new ones. The only problem I forsee is that they have not greenlit a season 8 companion yet, because sales on season 7 weren't that great. But, as far as these specific characters go I should be just fine. I have a whole section in season 6 companion on their costumes (which I can probably scan that image and overlay it with their traditional comic book representations for a new gallery image). I also have some stuff about Alaina's costume as Black Canary. I really only need to find some reception stuff and it should be fine.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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The 90s cartoon is far more popular. Just like the 90s Spider-Man cartoon. But that's cool that they were moving past that portrayal. I never felt like Toad worked, mainly because he's not really in the movie all that much. You could easily lump him over with Sabertooth. Jean did work, but I have a feeling that Singer would have done better with the Phoenix storyline had he stayed on for that. Yeah, I probably end up using that explosion scene, because it's the one that has them all in it in their first appearance. There hasn't been an image (or even an episode) with 1) a better group shot..which isn't saying a lot, because that one is really blurry most of the time 2) a shot with all of the members.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Well it's up. I still have the reception section in my sandbox, I haven't had a chance to get that done. Let me know what you think.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I still have to do the reception stuff (I'm hoping that all of the Justice reviews and season 6 reviews will talk about the actors and characters). Plus, I already have the bit about the action figures (I'm hoping to find more on those), but I don't want to put that in at the moment because it's really only a single line of stuff.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Just watched the "Killer Cut" of Friday the 13th (2009). It made the movie even better, but I was still slightly disappointed when I saw the scenes that were still on the cutting room floor in the special features section. One explains how Jason was running the electricity at the camp, because he was the one stealing the kerosene from Danny, the guy who molested the mannequin. Others were extended scenes that helped to clarify other issues...frankly, I would have been happy if they were all in there-which would have made the movie about 1 hour 50 minutes. There is also an alternate Jason death scene. I was slightly annoyed that they don't include the theatrical version on the "Killer Cut" edition, which most of were led to believe they would. Instead they are two separate discs you'd have to buy. There is also an 11 min. "Behind the scenes" featurette on bringing him back to the silver screen. There appears to be some useful stuff there that I'll probably use in the article. I don't think the theatrical cut version has any special features whatsoever.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

August. It says 101 runtime, which is what the Killer Cut is...though that box doesn't say "Killer Cut". I think it was better, simply because the extended scenes helped to clarify things. Like, when the cop drives up at the end Jason just appears. But, in the extended version you see that he actually witnesses the cop coming down the driveway. There's also a bit they put back in where Jason's remembering the night his mom was killed and then he just goes ballistic, so you get a much better sense of how that whole event has affected him over the years. Too bad this is the last season of SCC. I heard they left the show on a cliffhanger that will now never get answered.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

No, this is ours. We got the poster as our cover art. If SCC was on The CW, it would still be running. The series was pulling in 3.5 - 4 million viewers a week. Those are Smallville numbers, which would have made it one of the top scripted shows on the network. FOX ruins everything...except for House. I did hear about the Buffy movie, and I was curious as to what you were thinking. I thought you'd leave me a message when that was first announced calling for blasphemy. I'm not excited in the least. I really don't care. Joss doesn't have the film rights, so it's not his call...hence probably why he appears to have no involvement (at least that was the word the last time I heard about the film) and why they are deciding to both change Buffy's personality, and...at least from rumors, possibly even change her name. I'm sure it'll bomb. You cannot have 7 years of SMG, more years of the comics (which is supposed to be the SMG portrayal in comic form) and then assume someone else can do the role just as well. It's like trying to envision Brandon Routh as Superman, when Tom Welling had already been doing that role (not Superman per say) for 5 years already.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't really care one way or the other. I only like the original film because I grew up with it. I'm sure if I had grown up with the show and saw the film later I'd probably hate it. As far as this film goes, it could be a good vampire movie. Or, they could try and replicate the show, in such case I would say it'll fail miserably. I think they took it out of Joss's hands because they probably didn't want to do what he wanted to do (if he wanted to do anything) and since he doesn't control the film license he was pretty much screwed.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

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