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Welcome 1

Hello Pastordavid! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. You may also push the signature button

located above the edit window. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. This is considered an important guideline in Wikipedia. Even a short summary is better than no summary. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! -- Kukini 17:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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Wecome 2

Oh, and since you didn't get an intro yet (I think): Hello there Pastordavid, welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you ever need editing help visit Wikipedia:How to edit a page and experiment at the Wikipedia:Sandbox. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the village pump. -- EmperorBMA|話す 06:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcome 3

Welcome to Wikipedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Also: you can play and experiment all you want in the Sandbox. If would like to ask questions about anything at Wikipedia, please feel free to message me HERE.

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We're so glad you're here! Welcome, and Happy editing!
Walter Humala - Emperor of West Wikipedia|wanna Talk? 04:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Kudos to Me

Thanks

Thanks for the encouraging comments. As I'm sure you know, there are a lot of sloppy and mishandled saints articles out there. Just working to make Wikipedia a more user-friendly place. See you around. Alekjds ^TALK 05:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my request for comment. It's easy to lose perspective which is why I do value external input in a dispute. Sophia 22:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Wise County, Virginia

Thank you for your third opinion on Wise County, Virginia. I hope that you are still interested in collaborating on the problem you commented on; edit conflicts are difficult to resolve on sparsely-trafficked articles. --Takeel 13:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe you haven't already gotten this

(barnstar moved to user page) That's more or less a joke based on the name. However, right now I am trying to assess all the so-called Vital articles for the various relevant projects, and that's going to take quite a while. At the very least, I intend to shortly finish the missing articles pages, and probably at least ensure that all the missing encyclopedia articles exist before working too steadily elsewhere. John Carter 22:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your guidance on the honorifics question. Cheers! PeterHuntington 18:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Ralph Nader

Thanks Pastordavid, please see my note to you on my Talk page... I think you did a great job... sort of Solomon-like :-) 76.166.123.129 04:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured article

I've seen elsewhere that having one featured article is an almost required step to becoming an admin. Congratulations on Maximus the Confessor, and my sincere hope that you don't stop here. We've got a lot of work for you yet to do, future admin or not. I'm still working on all the Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints/Missing articles, and many/most of them would probably benefit from your expert input. John Carter 16:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind remarks! I'm happy the article reached FA status as it deserved. I'm more happy, because Wikiproject Greece is enriched with one more FA. As a matter of fact, I spend most of my time in the English WP and not in the Greek one (though I should - Greek wiki needs our experience). So, if you ever need my input or feedback, do not hesitate to ask. I think that, in certain cases, my Greek library of religious books could be helpful.--Yannismarou 20:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Kudos for the FA! :-) --Michalis Famelis (talk) 20:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! Keep up the good work. Majoreditor 02:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome/ I sugested som,ething similar to CTS a while back...It's good to see something's finally being done. Passing around a few banners.... Arch O. La ^{Grigory Deepdelver} 20:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The vandal on my userpage

Hi Pastordavid; 10 points to you for your comment on my talk page. If you haven't seen it already, I reported him to WP:AN/I and El C has sent the account into the next world. Happy editing. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right. Btw, congratulations with your FA on Saint Maximus. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

(Barnstar moved to Userpage - Thanks so much)

thank you!

Thank you for offering to help! I am looking for someone who will be very, very, very patient with me. I don't know if you are very, very. very patient or not- if not you might want to escape now. Zantaggerung 14:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry. I honestly thought some of them didn't get the subject. This is why I need a mentor. I didn't know that I was always supposed to paste at the bottom of a discussion. Zantaggerung 15:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you - LGAT 3rd opinion

Your input is appreciated. I am fairly new to wiki, and the challenge in this first series of articles has left me drained. I'm not sure where to turn. She knows the rules so much better than I do and uses them very adeptly. Like the crafting of her third-party request, asking if it was legitimate to use reputable sources in an article lead (which was not the real issue, but the question was designed to get the reply she wanted). Anyway, I'm tired and frustrated and ranting. Thanks for your input. Lsi john 22:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Danke

Hallo, ich bin Pcechan, der Herausgeber der Seite "Werner Chan". Danke fuer die Abloeschung der Seite "Werner Chan". Bitte Werners Musik in der Seite "My Music" zuhoeren. Website-addresse: http://sky.prohosting.com/wernchan Danke!!! Pcechan (—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pcechan (talk • contribs) 10:56, May 15, 2007.

Bitte schön. Happy to help. Pastordavid 16:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Classical music Thanks!

(Barnstar moved to userpage) Thank you for updating our project banner. Glad you could help out even though you aren't directly involved with the WikiProject. I hereby award you a Bronze Wiki as a token of my appreciation. Centy 21:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you very much for your help on the reference desks, your explanation was top notch! I hope an Orthodox member comes along and adds some more information, but you have made a great start for me, its good to know most of my assumptions were correct. So, again, thank you, RobertsZ 20:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You earned it!

Gregory of Nazianzus has passed GA review. Thanks for your contributions -- you played an important roll in bringing the article to GA status. I look forward to future collaborations with you. Majoreditor 00:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank You Very Very Much

Thank you, I knew I wouldn't change anything but it's still good to put that seed of doubt in their heads so maybe they will study up on it. I really didn't mean to personally attack his beliefs but when he said b)God's being a jerk I got really mad. Hey atleast I found a Christian friend... I think.... right you have pastor in you name I hope so. Besides this is my first time on Wikipedia and I need some help. I don't know much but I know a little bit of stuff, and with the right help I think I can make something worth while... not sure what yet but... Thanks, Pianoloverizme 04:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I like your style

Hi PastorDavid, we've never worked together, but I've noticed some of your activity recently. In particular, I'm really impressed by the advice you gave to Pianoloverizme on his talkpage. While you and I would be on the opposite sides of many issues philosophically, it's easy for me to see that we share a common goal here at WP. I'm afraid that many Christian editors who try to contribute to some of the um,...controversial science topics end up getting frustrated and leaving the project, when they could actually make valuable contributions to other articles (several of which you highlighted in your recent post). There are many more examples as well, and I wanted to bring your attention to Chronology of the Bible in particular. This appears to have been a reasonably good article which was recently edited at length by an IP who made some very questionable changes. I don't have the knowledge to restore the article, but it dearly needs some TLC from people who do (I also made a brief post about this at Wikiproject:Christianity, but I don't know how active the project is). If it's ok with you, I'll continue to drop you notes about things that might benefit from your attention, whether it's an article in need, or an editor. I'd like to help build an environment where everyone can contribute to something worthwhile in an appropriate manner, and it seems that you do to. I look forward to hearing from you, and in the meantime, happy editing. Doc Tropics 04:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

(Barnstar moved to userpage) I award this Barnstar to Pastordavid for their guidance, charity and understanding with a new user. Cas Liber 05:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)}}

No problem, just good to see a christian displaying some genuine christian charity :) cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 22:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiStalking

I've seen this word a lot recently. In any case, I am WikiStalking you, Pastor David, I hope you don't feel too harassed. I mean it's not like I'm going to start a fan-club yet, but you have certainly converted me to a school of Wikipedia editing style that is much more satisfying. It's hard to specify, but here are what I think are the central tenets of the Pastor David school of Wikipedia editing:

Never comment on editor behaviour, only the content matters.
Humbly state your well-sourced opinion, don't try to force it through.
If consensus is against you, just leave the page.
Be civil, friendly, and have fun editing.

I have tried this a bit now, and not only is it more effective (in that one's view is much better received), but it is so much more satisfying to edit Wikipedia in this way. Many thanks for showing me The Way :) --Merzul 13:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Minor correction. Behaviour issues are of course important and there are venues for dealing with them, but the important thing is to keep them separate from content debates. So the principle would be: In content disputes, never comment on editor behaviour. That should be official policy! :) --Merzul 13:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

It is. Wikipedia:No personal attacks. First paragraph. KillerChihuahua^?!? 13:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

True, but I guess the question is where one draws the line between contribution and contributor. I used to think that a statement like "You have a consistent history of POV-pushing" is acceptable because it is about edit-history and not the person... --Merzul 15:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Aw shucks, now I'm blushing. Yes, that is a pretty good summary of how I edit. To put it in terms of policy, there are three types of behavior on wikipedia (in my experience). (1) Behavior that is so incivil as to violate policy; (2) Civil behavior; and (3) Unkind or uncivil behavior which does not violate policy. It is easy for regular contributors to avoid (1), but many are prone to (3). Bottom line -- it's not an effective way to edit; all it does is create an adversarial environment, where less and less is accomplished and more and more time is spent quibbling.

As to where to draw that nebulous line: yes, I am very careful about commenting about the character, motivations, or intentions of other editors. If I feel compelled to do so, I try to do so in the same manner that I would like such comments directed I me (I've read something about that somewhere ...)

Thank you both for your kind words. I am humbled that I have had any sort of impact on this community, and hope that you will continue to hold my contributions here in such good regard. Pastordavid 21:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm Impressed

Personally, I have to give you kudos for your user page. Having come from two very religious families (Seventh Day Adventists on my Mother's side and Jehovah's Witnesss on my Father's. Trust me, I've heard every joke in the book.), it's refreshing to see someone who will make their beliefs very clear with you without trying to shove them down your throat. --_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ 01:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Ministerium

On 11 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pennsylvania Ministerium, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 11:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Clergy infobox

Looks great. Particularly now with the religion projects, that will be very useful. Right now I'm in intelligent design, and I don't know how many clergy are there, but I'll add it as the opportunity arises. And don't worry about the "crabby" Lutherans not using the word. I think there's a real chance that the Anglican category will have to be adjusted soon to "Anglican heroes", considering they commemorate an atheist, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, in their US calendar. I'm expecting to adjust that category probably Saturday. John Carter 23:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pennsylvania Ministerium

The article Article you nominated as a good article has passed , see Talk:Article for eventual comments about the article. Well done! jackturner3 19:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Great work

Pastordavid, you did an excellent job explaining the reason why Philippians 4:13 does not belong in WP. While this is a great part of scripture, I too believe that it is not notable enough for its own article. Great explanation! Blessings, Tiggerjay 16:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)