User talk:Palmiro/archive2

Stop with the Historically-revisionist Orwellian Doublespeak

Stop trying to change history by adopting equivocating weaselling terminology like "armed action", which is nothing more than an attempt to apply a badly-peeling fig-leaf of euphemistic revisionism to vile loathesome despicable acts of immoral suicide-terrorism which intentionally and deliberately targeted civilians, in violation of both international human rights law and the recognized law of war. You seem to be channeling Ron Ziegler when he called the bombing of Cambodia a "protective reaction strike", because you're adopting an identical rhetorical strategy. AnonMoos 21:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

It's not about "changes I wish to make", it's about the fact that YOU introduced the phrase "armed action" on 00:05, 13 November 2005 (and from what I can tell, with a very specific and deliberate intention of whitewashing over brutal atrocities and crimes with a weaselling equivocating euphemism) -- and then when I restored the article to express the basic sense of what the article had previously been before your edit of 00:05, 13 November 2005, then you hurled an accusation of "POV" at me.

I agree that the article Nonviolent resistance is not the place for any general debate over the mid-east, but I find the phrase which you specifically introduced -- "armed action" -- to be extremely unsatisfactory. If you can admit that YOU were the one who changed the article from what it had been (not me), and can stop hurling insults such as "POV", then I'm sure that this discussion can proceed on a reasonably civil basis. AnonMoos 21:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

It's very nice for you that you "don't care what was there before"; however, the fact that you accused ME of changing the page when it was actually YOU who changed the page did not cause me to be excessively impressed by your sense of honesty at the time, and was one of the little misunderstandings which led to the breakdown in "civil discussion". Another factor was your use of an equivocating weaseling phrase "armed action" -- which sounds exactly like a Department of Defense bureaucratic jargon-speak euphemism -- and a third was your action of immediate reverting, accompanied by pompous pretentious condescending language in your accompanying edit summary.

Meanwhile, the basic fact remains that I'm extremely dissatisfied with the phrase "armed action" which you introduced into the page. I haven't done any further editing on the page since I'm not very enthusiastic about childish "revert wars", but if you haven't come up with an alternative substitute for "armed action" which is acceptable to yourself within a few days, then I won't have inhibitions about editing further.

And the attacks on the Israeli military which you're so fond of pointing to actually have a much greater importance to armchair romantic radicals from a distance like yourself than they do in the real conflict -- except in certain small areas (such as along the Philadelphi road), most of those "attacks on the IDF" in fact consist of things like ambushing off-duty Israeli soldiers waiting at bus-stops for a ride home. In any case, acts of Palestinian non-violent resistance are NOT generally contrasted with attacks on the IDF, and it is not because of attacks on the IDF that some Palestinians have felt the need to take up acts of non-violent resistance to improve the international Palestinian image -- and insofar as your phrase "armed action"[sic] implies otherwise, then it's incorrect. الاضطهاد ليس الاستشهاد!! AnonMoos 00:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Now was that really so difficult? Why couldn't you just have done the right thing in the first place? AnonMoos 15:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Long-lost relatives, now in Damascus??

I�m afraid I don�t have any quoteable ref. as to what my ancesters did in the good old days ;-), but as far as I can follow the family history: they all lived by/off the sea. I recon it�s a fair chance they some of them were in Irland at one time ;-) -I do know one of them shipwrecked on Anglesey (hey, it�s close!) about a century ago...

Btw; I understand you are in Damascus now? Is Jabri House still open? Ah, I spend quite a few lazy afternoons there, -mostly nibbeling Baba ganoush or other mezes. And there was an internet cafe by Martyrs Square, run by a Syrian who had lived in Sweden and spoke Swedish; that place was kind of a meeting-place for all Scandinavians in Damascus. The place also had a noticeboards with messages of Arab-lessons or vacant flats, etc. Do you know the place? (I don�t know if it is still open, -this was in 2001)

And is this worlds worst red-wine still made in Syria? (I swear: it was.) Can�t say I miss that (the Babaganoush, however...)

And thanks for the copyedit of Toujan al-Faisal! -I will not be on Wikipedia much for the rest of the week, but when I return I might have a look at Israeli Arabs again...if Zeq isn�t too.....eh....too "Zeqish" (Btw: for the fun of it: I counted the number of edits he had on Ramallites admin. vote: 164!!! (+all the edits on other users talk-pages urging them to vote. Words fails me.) Cheers, and regards, Huldra 04:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Please ignore this: I�m really not on WP this week ;-) (..but I�ll try to find time for a little reverting over at Israeli Arabs, when needed....) Anyway: I was only in Syria for 5 weeks, and in May/June; I have heard about the cold winters, though. (Btw, I woke up to snow outside, this morning ;-( I definitely don�t like the cold.) I don�t know what accomodation there is at Bab Touma? I stayed in hotels (which were generally very good value for the money, compared with most countries, IMO) -and I tried several Syrian red-wines: they were all absolutely awful! I assume Kefraya is Lebanese? I had some of the Lebanese, but it was (almost) as expensive as at home... And I�m not too fond of Arak..(if I stayed there in the winter I might change my opinion, though!).

I travelled all over Syria; I particularely liked Arwad. Have you been there?

As for travel: My next "long" travel will (hopefully!) go to West-Africa: I have wanted to go there for years. But the earliest that will be is in the 2.nd half of -06. If I do any travelling before then, it will probably be a shorter trip to Turkey or Cyprus. It depends on what opportunity that arises.

Oh, btw, I have a question to you: do you have any experience with Lebanon/Lebanese customs? There is a 12 year old boy in Beirut -that I want to send a gift to. Now, I don�t have a clue as to what is a suitable gift to a 12-year-old, but I�ve been told he�s interested in computer games, so I thought of sending him something along those lines. My question is: is there a chanse that he might have to pay a custom fee on this? Do you know? If so, I better not send any.

Also, if you have time: take a look over at Syria, History of Syria, Syrian occupation of Lebanon, and Lebanon; a certain editor, John McW, is rather active there. (Among other things: he argued that it should be written that the West Bank was "liberated" by Israel in 1967. A model of an objective editor, as I�m sure you�ll agree....) Cheers, and regards, Huldra 13:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Catholic categories

Hi Palmiro,

I can understand your concern with

Category:Fictional_Catholics

This is even worse:

Category:Fictional_Catholics

It's only matter of time before we have

Category:Lapsed Catholics or Category:A_la_carte_Catholics--Damac 14:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Palmiro, I happened to notice your comments re Category:Roman Catholic Politicians on another user's talk page, and I must say I agree. --Ryano 19:44, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Palestinian nationalism

Sorry about the "Palmiro's version" thing, it was just a slip to identify which version I was talking about. As for the "colonization" phrase, I tried not to give other editors an excuse for accusing me of throwing stones from a glass house; even though the phrase is not inaccurate, I assumed it might be an easy target for the editor who was wanting to revert back to the older version. But it is a minor point, like you said, so I don't care either way. Thanks for telling me about Non-violent resistance, I'll take a look :) Ramallite ^(talk) 17:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Gerry Adams

Is it copied from a Sinn F�in pamphlet? I've had a go, but like the eponymous Kerryman, "if I were you, I wouldn't start from here in the first place". --Red King 20:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

His membership of the PIRA is an essential component of the intro. But all the material that supports the assertion belongs in the detail. --Red King 00:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Are you a comunist ?

Your writing style looks like a bad joke on Russion prpopeganda from the 1950s. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for Propeganda.

If you want to do a serious job, reaserch your material, find BOTH SIDES of the issue and present them in a non POV format and style. I will not let just insert propeganda to replace facts. If you want to deal with the origions of Israeli Arab for example (something we so far avoided) we will have to go into the places in Syria they came from. look for example to the village of Bart'a who's origins are from a Syrian name Bartawii. Their "origin" is not in 1948 but in the 1920s and some before when they migrad into the area. Some have been there before during the Islamic occupation. Zeq 05:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Just wanted to drop by and thank you for taking the time to respond to my RfA. I appreciate the comments! .:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 16:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Not 4, 3

Each part that was reverted was reverted only 3 times.

You on the other hand revrted the quote 4 times.

Your 4 Reverts in 24 hours

Your first revert was [1] where you removed a part of the section by commenting it out.

Later On Nov 15 you again did the same action on the same page on 15:57, 19:26 19:48

I will give you a chanse to revert your reverts. Zeq 20:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

It is considered a revert. may I suggest you self revert. Zeq 20:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Syrian occupation of Lebanon vs. Syrian presence in Lebanon

You changed Samir Kassir from using the wording of the former to the latter... and... well, please don't go around changing things like that under the guise of NPOV. Personally it doesn't matter to me but to call it more NPOV is just not true. Syrian forces occupied Lebanon land. That means they were present... both are facts. One is not an outlandish claim. It was an occupation and if calling it that is offensive then the problem is with it being an occupation, but using wording to make it more ambiguous does not make it more neutral. gren ??? 19:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, if you were reverting someone else's change and didn't just come into the article and initiate it that is fine. Personally I don't think either is more neutral... they are both correct... one seems to be trying to ignore Syria's actions to a degree, and the other seems to try to emphasize it more. I do think occupation is perfectly find though. I read some of the discussion on the issue on the page. Sorry again, I just wanted to discourage someone going around and just changing that issue. If you write the content it's fine to choose which you will, but to just arbitrarily change it would be what I'm against. He seemed very interesting, and that's why I created the article (as a stub though). gren ??? 22:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Syrian thingie

To the best of my knowledge Jews were pretty well off in Syria and lived rich lifestyles [2]. In Aleppo they were part of the upper merchant class and were not discriminated against anymore than any minority, and they were free to worship at the oldest synagogue in the country. After the 1948 war, many left voluntarily, regardless of what the POV pushers at that article are saying. Did hatred develop for them? Indeed it did, but it was not religiously motivated or long-standing. In fact, it was the Syrian government who protected the Jews from the attacks of newly-arrived Palestinian refugees, unlike the ridiculous claims that Jayjg made about the Syrian government actively persecuting Jews. I could dig up sources for all this but I really don't feel like dealing with incessant POV pushers right now, especially since they will just turn it into a revert war as usual. A collaboration on Saidnaya (already written) would be nice and I'll contribute to it if I have time. Yuber^(talk) 22:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Could you keep an eye on Syria and Israeli occupation of Lebanon as well? It seems this guy just won't let up. Yuber^(talk) 21:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Druze

I've looked at the page you linked to and it seems to have some materials worthy of the article, I'll try to include the information. However, I don't really understand the source - you said it was an article, but it lists pages like 87 and 88, and you haven't provided the name of the source. -- Ynhockey || Talk 23:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually I was considering just taking the entire article and completely re-writing it with new sections, better organization, etc., and posting it as a draft on a temporary page. However, recently I've been a bit busy, not much time for that. But I'm sure Zeq will disagree with whatever changes I make anyway. On a side note, my talk link doesn't seem to show up on your talk page -- Ynhockey || Talk 20:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Foreign-language sources

No, of course not. The problem is that the criterion for entry into Wikipedia isn't truth, but verifiability. This principle goes to the heart of what Wikipedia is, namely a tertiary source that summarizes the views of secondary sources, and less often, primary sources, aimed at an English-speaking readership. If we supply non-English language sources, we don't say who they are, the material isn't available online, and we don't translate what they say, then we're creating a real problem for any reader who wants to check that what we're claiming the source said really is what the source said. For that reason, when I use a foreign-language source, instead of simply attributing a section to the source, I actually quote them. I translate the quoted section into English, and I add the original language underneath so the reader can check that I've translated it properly. For an example, see Helga_Zepp_LaRouche#Political_life. It also serves to make clear exactly what you're attributing to the source, so the reader can judge whether you've gone beyond what the source himself said. Hope this helps. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:19, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Craic

Please stick around here and here and give us a hand... your input is greatly wanted and appreciated. Wasn't sure if you were planning on doing more, so I figured that I'd drop a line and ask you to ;). Cheers, Blackcap | talk 02:12, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Help with an RfC/NPOV-ing an article

Hi Palmiro — you were helpful when there were issues with falafel and I repect your edits. My attention was called to problems at The eXile, but discussion degenerated pretty quickly. Now there's an RfC on a user's behavior, but it's turning into just more discussion of the page. I'm getting aggravated and am going to take a break from it. If you have time, do you think you could have a look and give some input? Don't feel bad if you can't. --Mgreenbe 10:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

to the Marxist, eh, Leninist

Well, it was just so easy, with all the names on your talk-page;-) And it�s nice to do work that won�t be reverted at once. Good luck with moving house! (that�s my nightmare) I�ll try to hold the fort. Regards, Huldra 15:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The same who wrote about your "Marxist analysis" also called CNN "leftwing"..... ;-D

Anyway; if you want to discuss more about the interesting quotes you better email me! (email is on my user-page)

I have the deepest sympathy with anybody who has moved nine(!) times this year..there are few things I hate more that moving house....I will definitely have that (virtual) glass of red! Sk�l! One of these days I�ll get myself a real bottle of Lebanese wine..... although last time I checked the least expensive Lebanese wine cost 25-30 USD here.... (oh well, if I continue on I.A.article I will have deserved it!)

I heard Iraqis who are fleeing their contry are comeing to Syria? I assume that must push prices quite a lot higher? I thought it was extremely inexpensive when I was there... (compared to home, that is)

Else: talking about being named: Glamorous??? Me??? Not really; except for the tail. ;-). It was only quite a while after I had registered on WP that I realised I had my own article here; except it is filled with mistakes! I have never heard that "seen from the back, she is hollow like an old tree-trunk". Lies! And some of the other things they write about me.... <blush> Vicious slander and lies, all of it. Hmmmphr. And I`m not the least ashamed of my tail... That�s pure slander! I thought of editing the article, but it seems, well, so uncool (a very non-Huldra word, that). As if I was like one of the Bogdanov brothers. Hmmmphr. And: the most important thing about me the article doesn�t mention: A Huldra is always good in dealing with Trolls...I have never heard of a Troll who could beat me! (I hope & pray that will be true in the future, too..) Cheers, and Sk�l! & regards, Huldra 23:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

May I suggest

That you review this Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view and understand that any attempt in creating onesided sections or articles will not fly....Zeq 17:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for keeping it NPOV

Thank you for changing the "occupation" to "presence" in some articles to preserve NPOV until this issue is resolved. I'm realy trying hard to find a compromise between User:Yuber, User:John McW and User:Equitor in Talk:Syrian occupation of Lebanon. CG 17:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Syrian Communist Party

I just noticed that the SCP article had quadrupled in size, and that it is all thanks to you. Amazing job. Arre 22:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Audio

Hi Palmiro - here's the link that says it all - I used "Audacity" to create the clips. Then, I use a small program called "VLC Player" to play 'Ogg Vorbis' files. Here's the link, it's a free beta download. Depending on if you can install a plugin for your browser or not, you may have to download the linked file to your desktop and then open it with VLC player. Hope this helps, let me know. Ramallite ^(talk) 15:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Good faith

Palmiro, I always trust that what you do you act in good faith. You have your views and in Good faith you follow that path. You should assume that all I want are NPOV article. My edits prove that. Zeq 16:23, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

problem with English

Thank you for you offer. Actually I'd really like some help to write a template. I'll explain the context. I'm working on a project called Wikipedia:Featured articles in other languages that shows which articles are featured in another language to offer good sources to editors. Template:FAOL have been created to serve this purpose, but it received many complaints because it takes a lot of space (see Talk:World War II). So it has been suggested that we make 3 Babel-style template for :

1. Non-featured article in another language that nonetheless has lots of content that would benefit our article.
2. Featured article in another language with poor quality and little content and wouldn't benefit a lot our article.
3. Featured article in other language that has lots of content that would benefit our article.

Right now I'm having a hard time trying to formulate these sentences for the templates (I'm in an intermediate level of English), so I'll be really glad if you could help me. I made a scratch here. Thank you

Regions of Ireland

Yes I agree that there should be some reference to the regions of Ireland, considering that all the population projections that the CSO have made for the country are based on regions and nothing else. I have uploaded an image of all of the regions in the country and what counties they contain - I think one article on all of the regions is enough for the moment. No idea what the best title for the article is - "Regions of the Republic of Ireland" maybe? The image is at Image:Irl3.PNG, let me know what you think.

LocGov 15:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your support

Hi, Palmiro. I just want to thank you very much for supporting my RfA, and to say also that I hope I'll make a good job of it. I'm supposed to be working on an assignment at the moment, and had been reducing my Wikipedia activity, so delayed thanking people, but I'm finding the new rollback button so easy to use that I'm just keeping Wikipedia open on my browser while working on other things, and I thought I'd like to thank at least a few of those who supported me while I'm here. Cheers. AnnH ^(talk) 22:05, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

RE your comment

Hi Palmiro. Thanks for your comment regarding my edit to the Communism article. Not including a summary was an oversight on my part and there was no need to explain your actions. Hydrostatic 18:12, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Ummah

Sorry I didn't reply. I'm over-extended. Your edit on Ummah seems sensible. Ummah and nation aren't really equivalent. Praps I'll link to the nationalism article, later, if that seems to make sense. Zora 23:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

I award the Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar for your kind offer to assist me in writing in English. CG.

Syrian occupation of Lebanon title

Discussion about the title of Syrian occupation of Lebanon has stopped, it should be changed because it's obviously POV. But which titile would you suggest? Even though we agreed on Lebanese-Syrian relations, I'm not satisfied with it. Because eventually we will create an article covering this 30-years period, and because we haven't solved yet the problem about which name we choose to refer to this period in other articles. CG 20:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

That old chestnut: Irish-Scots Irish-British etc.

I'm afraid it's come up again...

There's a vote to delete the category, and the Irish-Scots stub, which I created (granted it's pretty poor at mo, but IMO needs improved, not deleted).

There's still a category "Irish-Scots" and there are twenty names on it.

The Ulster Scots page mentions "Irish-Scots" and explains how they're quite distinct.

I'm most definitely Irish-Scots, both parents being Irish, but I don't understand the problem with Irish-Scots regarding how far you go back, one or two parents etc. Like Ronald Reagan gets to be Irish-American and Scottish-American...like, how far does he go back?

And what about African-Americans - some of them go back three or four hundred years before they last "saw" Africa?

Don't really understand the fuss between "Irish-Scots" or "Scottish People of Irish Descent"... I mean, are we gonna start saying that Irish-Americans have to call themselves "American People of Irish Descent", and are we gonna have "American People of African Descent"...

Silly sausages....

Please add your vote NO to the vote for deletion?

Camillus^(talk) 04:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Writing on User Page?

Intrigued to know what the phrase "nascanna le hobair as seo amach" means on your user page?

And nosey old me clicked on your "New" link...takes you to a one-liner that links straight back again...????

Are you being deliberately enigmatic? ;)

Camillus^{talk|contribs} 22:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh...the Shame!

My dad (from Moville, Donegal) would be black-affronted if he was told that I mistook Irish for some Iberian lengue...so I won't tell him...

And...just out of sheer nosiness, why is an Irish man so interested in middle eastern politics?...though who's to say you're not a syrian irishman or summat?

Of course, there's no reason an irishman shouldn't be interested in middle eastern politics...

(BTW, if you feel my last two comments have nothing to do with furthering wikipedia, as they're just basic chitchat, feel free to erase 'em!)

Camillus^{talk|contribs} 22:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Foreign relations of Syria

Actually, I didn't really have a look at the contents of the article itself, I just noted a recurring (and disappointing) editing pattern. Given my brief look now, what you rid looks fine. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

KTVX

You have received this message because you have edited a Salt Lake City media article in the past. We have recently had an edit war regarding the wording and inclusion of a paragraph on the KTVX article. In hopes of resolving this I have put together an informal survey. If you are interested, please stop by Talk:KTVX and add a vote. Thanks, A 09:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for RfA help

Thank you very much for voting for me at RfA. I'm honoured.--File �ireann 20:50, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Jordan external links

Hi there. I'm wondering what your thinking was about the external links on Jordan. The original link that you reverted back to at first seems at a glance probably better and certainly less commercial. Did you prefer the second one or did you just feel that a rollback hadnt been called for? And do we really need either or could we have both, or what? Palmiro | Talk 22:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I reverted for fear of advertising a user's photo blog. Instead, as you pointed out, I found that both were similar in substance. That being the case I could not support my argument that the second link was vandalism or advertising so I undid my involvement. I can see an argument both ways so if you would like to remove both links do so or bring it up on the talk page. - Tεxτurε 22:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Awolf002 RfA

Thank you very much for your support for my RfA. I will do everything I can to justify your trust in me. Awolf002 03:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Messianism in Progress

You're the only person I know around here who's fairly knowledgeable about this stuff: 69.81.168.188 (talk • contribs) has been making some crazy contributions that smack of messianism, but I only have the skills to save Gog and Magog. I know what's been written there is crazy, but I don't feel comfortable fixing his other edits. Do you think you could have a look at it/alert someone else knowledgeable about Islam? --Mgreenbe 11:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Lol

I know. I was just joking. ;-) I will take a look at those articles too. The editor is definitely a Shi'a pov editor. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 15:01, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the Mahdi article may need some cleanup. Very few sources are given at all. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 15:07, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Edits on Gog and Magog etc.

Whoever it is, he's/she's got spelling problems with "Ezekiel" [3], and seems to have POV issues. (One of the diffs used the word "obviously" in a way that seemed unencyclopedic to me.)[4]

Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of background with this material, but we don't have to assume someone who is making unsourced claims is correct. This seems to me to fall pretty clearly into that category. Speaking personally I would revert the whole mess and ask on the talk page for citations. BYT 15:44, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, Palmiro's talk page is quite the community. :) It speaks very well of him, I think.

I agree with you, BYT, but for two things.

1. Together, s/he and I have actually improved the page significantly. Hey, that's great!
2. If someone doesn't clean up his/er edits, they read like Nostradamus. Not as great.

So I don't know what to do. If s/he would respond with talk rather than edits, s/he would do fine as an editor. Once his/er zeal reduces and s/he starts using talk pages, everything will be fine. --Mgreenbe 16:15, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Irish Catholic Rebels

I invite you to have a look at this article and then vote for a Speedy Delete on the article's section of the "Articles for Deletion". Camillus^{talk|contribs} 00:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

my rfa. nice bloke indeed.  :-p

Hey Palmiro/archive2! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (57/4/3), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, have a question, or just want to chat (or if I get out of line!), please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D

Tomer^talk

Irish Scots, yet again

Someone really has it in for this article, and anything to do with it. Have you seen this:

• Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_December_10#Category:Irish-Scots

Please consider voting Keep.--Mais oui! 19:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Input requested on Palestinian Arabic

Question you might be able to respond to here. Tomer^talk 20:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

"POV because" template

The "POV because" template is a terrible, unofficial template that just invites edit warring. Reasons for the POV dispute should be on the talk: page, not on the article page, and "POV because" should be removed from any article in which it has been placed. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Itzik Feffer

Feffer was indeed a Stalinist (like all or at least most members of the JAC), and, yes, according to responsible sources, he was the eyes and ears of the secret police within JAC. It's just historically true, no matter how sad or unpleasant it is.

thanks for your Comment from julia117

Yes, I'll add the sources (I think, I added some outside sources already, but I am not sure if it's on Feffer's page). Frankly, I was reluctant to add the information that he was a party stooge (you know, he might have been forced to do things like that). That being Russia, Stalinist or not, everything is possible. Then I decided that prettifying facts is not in anybody's interest. His poetry: if he were not writing what he was writing, he'd be dead much sooner. The only issue, that I personally have with this article is the sstory of his meeting with Paul Robeson. I read in several sources (Russian and otherwise) that only Feffer and Lina Stern were not physically maltreated. So how come torn nails? Maybe, I'll find an explanation somewhere.

Thanks for writing, thanks for thinking about these people. I appreciate your input. I am trying to come up with simple biographies of those mentioned in the JAC entry. It's rather difficult to come up with any reliable information. It's an embarassing chapter of Russian history, that reeks of medieval witchhunt. In addition some of the people arrested seemed to be rather minor players and might have been arrested "just in case".

Julia

Julia117 03:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)Julia117

Appreciate your input. I'll try to do it next time.

Cheers,

Julia

Re:Category:Terrorists

OK I weighed in over at cats for deletion. Thanks for the heads-up, hope there's something good gonna come out of it. --TimPope 10:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Julia117 14:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)Julia117

Well, to quote Polina Zhemchuzhina (Molotov's wife), Ich bin a yiddische tochter. No, I cannot read yiddish, but can understand everyday conversation. I speak Russian, French and Hebrew. I also speak basic German and can read and understand basic Swedish. I studied languages and history. Holocaust and anti-Semitism are my primary interests. Thanks for your interest. Hope you will enjoy my Leib Kvitko entry.