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Happy editing! Giacomo1968 (talk) 14:08, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Charles II of Spain

Hi Original Plaid. You added a reference for "Roth 1964" to Charles II of Spain but no such work is defined in the article. Short form references are hyperlinks to full cites, so are not valid on their own. Could you add the required cite to the Sources section, or let me know what work this refers to? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 10:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ActivelyDisinterested. Thanks for your note.

Regarding the Roth citation. I thought I had put in the title of the book. I saw that only a day later that my addition to Charles II of Spain was removed, which is why I rarely try to edit.

'Roth' refers to Cecil Roth, "The Spanish Inquisition", 1964, W.W.Norton & Company. ISBN 0-393-00255-1. pp70-71. This book is available to read on the Internet Archive, (https://archive.org/details/spanishinquisiti0000roth/page/70/mode/2up?q=relaxed&view=theater)These pages (70-71) describe the great Auto-da-fe of 1680, presided over by Charles and his regent mother.

I wrote a short section about Charles II and his mother in the 'Talk' section of "Charles II of Spain" which explains Charles' activities as enforcer for the Spanish Inquisition and burner of heretics and suspected Jews.

In addition, the Queen Mother Mariana and Charles were proud of their activity and the commissioned the Spanish court painter, Francisco Rizzi, to record the occasion. This painting now hangs in the Prado Museum in Madrid, showing Charles and the Queen Mother (Mariana of Austria), in person, presiding over the Auto-da-Fé of June 30, 1680. It is easily accessed online at the Prado Museum website.(https://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/art-work/auto-da-fe-in-the-plaza-mayor-of-madrid/8d92af03-3183-473a-9997-d9cbf2557462) Wikimedia Commons has a copy of this painting under the title, File:Detail of Auto de fe 1680.jpg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Detail_of_Auto_de_fe_1680.jpg)

According to the Roth book (p.70), "51 persons were relaxed, in person or in effigy" on that day. Elsewhere in the book, "relaxed" is defined as "burned". No detail of how many died that day is in the Roth book. A Spaniard, Joseph del Olmo, who was there, wrote an account of that day, "Relación del auto general de la fee que se celbró en Madrid en presencia de sus majestades el día 30 de junio de 1680". I will try to find this text, if it has been translated, and send it along.

Is more proof needed? I will do more research if it is. Nothing in the Charles II of Spain entry about auto-da-fés. At least one other one was held in 1660. This info should also go into the "Maria of Austria" Wikipedia page, as I think she was the real force behind these persecutions.

I'm not a person with a deep desire to highlight all wrongs ever committed in the world or to rewrite history. I'm interested in general history mostly. I know some people are trying to insert their own personal grievances into Wikipedia. I rarely try to edit on Wikipedia. I don't know HTML very well. But I thought these auto-da-fés of the Spanish Inquisition and systematic religious persecution should have at least a brief mention in some of the Spanish royalty pages on Wikipedia. Original Plaid (talk) 08:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ActivelyDisinterested.

I found a book which give a summary of Joseph del Olmo's account of the auto-da-fé of June 30, 1680 in Madrid. It says as follows, "there had been set up 'on the place of execution twenty or so posts equipped with large rings to which to attach the condemned, then garrotte them, then set fire to them as is customary'". (Apparently, if one confessed or repented, you would be garrotted first rather than burned alive).

"Meanwhile the priests were busy amongst the obstinate, trying to get them to abjure and thereby avoid the atrocious death that awaited them." While six converted a few moments before being executed, "several" other persisted and were burnt alive.

Source: p.167, "The Spanish Inquisition: a history" by Joseph Pérez, 2004, Profile Books, London ISBN 1-86197-687-9 Original Plaid (talk) 09:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 2023

Hello, I'm Lone-078. I noticed that you recently removed content from Billie Sol Estes without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Lone-078 (talk) 15:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]