User talk:Nyungah

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Youve so far done what some editors longer time on Wikipedia call a single purposed account or SPA - you have put up well beyond what are required at a WP Bio article and another - some very thorough points that could be seen to come from either a lawyer, or professional anthropologist who has worked in the more adversarial parts of the current Native title system - presenting an excellent case that is well argued - and unfortunateley the articles are gonna have to be pruned for a variety of reasons - this is not a court of law but- guess what - an online encylopedia.

(1) Wikipedia is not the place to provide a greivance - rod morans' issues with the massacre issues in the north west have articles and they are about third of the size articles (but then there are issues of how they have been constructed) there are other place - not wikipedia.

(2) Wikipedia's recent internally improved WP:BLP policies will have to see quite a few points removed - not because they are necessarily or sufficiently acceptable as potential 'facts' within what is required as prima facie evidence presented in a court of law in the state of western australia - but because of the whole system of providing biographical articles in wikipedia require a different logic from you are coming from.

(3) before either replying to me (and i will probable have gone to bed I am cold the bloody full moon is frosting thing already where i am) or anyone else or seeking recrimination or if you are more negotiable - some negotation as to what has to stay or go - please try to be very very patient even if someone else comes in and rips your articles to pieces over issues that I am trying to lead you through - you need to read word for word: - even if you have complied with them in whole or part so far - in no necessary order

WP:NOT - soapbox is where you sit in some editors eyes for a start

And even if after reading through all that you think you are ok and covered - some admin is likely to come through and rip parts out on the more recent WP:BLP arb com decision - and I am not even going to explain that at this stage.

Anthropological, journalistic, political, historical and even anecdotal truth may exist where you have provided information - that does not in any way make allowances for what WP:NOT requires editors to understand when they provide information about controversial issues - specially about the current state of the WP:BLP issues arising.

It is of some difficulty that I offer this advice as I detect a well argued item, however this is an online encylopedia not a blog site.

There is also an issues of whether the info you have provided actually already exists from a publicly available copyright document or pdf somewhere - if it does - then that in itself dissallows all the contribution.

There are other issues as well but enough for tonight. As wikipedia is neither a sanctuary for such editing nor a place for greivances - I do hope you realise that what you have contriuted is likely to not last for long - and I cannot make any apologies for that - it is much better as a contributi0on to an australian magazine or blog or other location - you have chosen the wrong place - you will have to accept that Satu Suro 14:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There might be a couple of tyops in there - need to check again tommorow i m almost signing off Satu Suro 14:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also the placing of uncconnected varieties of unlinked and not contextualised references at the bottom of the article is not current WP:MOS from what i remember - Satu Suro 14:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further

not commenting further until other editors have either commented or edited - Satu Suro 03:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So the reverts have happened - you need to understand what WP:NOT really means - three respected admins and thats what you end up with. If indeed you are a WP:SPA you have not done very well - the other two arts have been noted as well - expect further scrutiny if you attempt something similar soon - cheers Satu Suro 03:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Refs

Ok so they checked it out - and you are reinserting - wherever possible please try to find WP:RS WP:CITE that make your additions WP:V - cheers Satu Suro 09:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]