User talk:Nymphetamine labyrinth

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If you have an objection to something I have worked on, please "Talk" you can email me too nymphetamine_labyrinth@hotmail.co.uk

Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 19:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Umm...

Why did you delete the comment of another account here? There's been far too many articles in common between you to not raise some serious suspicion, and your "withdrawal" of Mobrien9279's comment only adds to this suspicious behavior. Are you operating both of these accounts? Note that WP:MEAT most likely already applies. Doc talk 05:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I was asked to withdraw that. Why? Can't I do that for someone else who is not able to get to a computer? Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 08:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

What's the rush? They can't wait, so they ask you to do it for them? Not only are you both RINJ fans, but also DBMail IMAP and POP3 server fans, into the "Wicca-rock" band Themis... do you see where I'm going with this? Did you ask Mobrien9279 to vote here, or did they just do it on their own? Did they ask you to vote on this one? Doc talk 08:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh. I see. We are family. Since birth. We are a HUGE family.

I am not so random as you. I only participate in Wikipedia where the articles are of interest to me or where someone has asked me to look at something. Everytime I come back I have to relearn so much and still know so little but get scolded at every gaff. So be it.

Just reading through WP:MEAT and other issues. OK. I am not quite shocked but close. I read plenty.

But you refer to this:"Do not recruit your friends, family members, or communities of people who agree with you for the purpose of coming to Wikipedia and supporting your side of a debate...."

Nope. Is that what you are getting at? Not doing that. We are not trying to induce or advance anything, just trying to do the right thing, compare notes and write an article on a foreign planet called Wikipedia. We suspected it was too early for a RINJ article but we flew it up the flagpole because apparently, as I was told, many volunteers were keen to see that happen. I learned of this AFTER the first stab at writing the article.

The original effort was a COI and they said that. I said 'too much PR style' IMHO. Katie got that rolling. I am def not part of RINJ.

I use DBMail to this day. I just built another system on FBSD 9. I am still on the newsgroup.

I was the original drummer in Themis but that was for a very short time in the early punk beginnings.

About RINJ, I actually think RINJ should have shut down once Facebook killed all those pages back in November 2011. I did little then and have done nothing since. Ask anyone with RINJ. The volunteers apparently wouldn't hear of shutting down. Some of them are from the original bunch who worked on the Pitt Meadows rapes in 2010 and fought to get those images off Facebook. Check it out. Go find their "Hall Of Disgust". These people are reporting very serious rule-infractions on what is supposed to be a Family PG13 site!! There is still a lot of child molestation and rape pages on Facebook and those pages contain advertising from blue chippers. On that note RINJ has hit a funny bone with someone and they want this 'Hall of Disgust' stopped. So does Facebook.

Likely Wikipedia is so introspective that it is impossible to get an article published that relates to "now" rather than history. Facebook is full of horrible content but so is the entire internet. Nobody wants to be bothered with that and things like "Community Values". I mean, people will go to porn pages if that is what they want. Nice ordinary people will check their mail and then go cut the lawn; head to work; start dinner; fly a kite; or whatever :-). I don't know that anyone can change the misogyny and pro-rape joking and child molestation nonsense on the internet because those things are real in life and life itself keeps popping up on the internet (of course because it's just a bunch of people's personal computers hooked together).

Back to WP:MEAT ... We were just putting our heads together trying to figure it out. My whole family have day jobs and very little time to devote to this CRINJ nonsense. We did not put up a deletion argument--once we realized that the "Women's Views On The News" was discredited as a "blog" and not a reliable source, we relaized we did not have an article and did not oppose deletion. We really thought that stuff was good. The Artcles from The London Telegraph and the other Commonwealth papers around the globe were good but mostly were re-writes. So be it.

We tried to figure out who is really helpful in editing an article the way Wikipedians want it and who is just a troll. Wikipedia has its problems. Once somebody eliminated the many pages from "Women's Views On The News" as not being an acceptable authority/source (I misunderstood their importance--I believed them to be more than a blog but see now I was wrong) we realized we had lost our notability argument. Believe it or not, that's what I figured made the article noteworthy. When I realized it was no good, I did not argue.

Anyway. I understand there are problems Wikipedia must face and I feel guilty for being such an occasional tourist over the years but maybe down the road I will have more time. Meanwhile I am glad there is you and others like you--fearless faithful Wikipedia editors. It's a good thing. For sure I have not contributed to the Wikipedia's problems (WP:MEAT) in any way. I have tried some things and failed. I am good with that learning process. A valuable asset to the internet and one that needs protecting, is worthy of a few prattfalls to learn its nuances... but it doesn't need protection from me. I am happy with it all. Every time I look at Wikipedia it has changed considerably in terms of its politics, paranoias and procedures. I'll defer to those who do it every day. Cheers, dude. :-) Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 03:58, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't expecting such a considered response, and your candor is much appreciated. I'm just a volunteer here, and I have no special privileges or anything like that. I have fought a few trolls and vandals as part of my volunteerism here because I know that they degrade the project. I don't think you're a troll, and I would have filed a SPI if I thought your activities were harming the project. I didn't mean to imply that every word of MEAT applied to this situation, and I think you understand how it could look to an outsider. By no means should you be discouraged from participating here, and hopefully you will have more time to do so. Cheers :> Doc talk 05:16, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Out of curiosity...

Would you mind disclosing what, if any, relationship you have with The RINJ Foundation? You returned to Wikipedia after a five-year absence, and every single edit you have made since your return has been either to that article or to link to that article on another article. What's more, their website links to the Wikipedia article you created alongside their official social media accounts,[1] and apparently (obviously I have no access to the update history) started doing so two days after the article was created.[2] It seems you were also at least involved in an original deleted version of the article, apparently titled "RINJ", although I cannot tell to what extent.

It's my understanding that editing articles on groups with which you are involved and have a conflict of interest is allowed on Wikipedia, but you have to disclose that information, and I have been unable to find anywhere that you have done so -- the only non-article pages you have edited since 2012 are File:RINJ.png and your own user page, which doesn't mention RINJ.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Reply

Hmmmm. Hello Hijiri 88. Thank you for noticing me. Feminist groups come under a lot of attacks as do LGBTQ2 folks. So I hope it is not that. I have one cousin who works with the group in Singapore, and we talk once in a while. His sister, my cousin died in Syria working with that group years ago. That's my involvement. Fred asked me a few times over the years to write some stuff. I did not want to use my music account even though I am not so active any longer. Whenever I was asked to do do anything I would let Fred know when done. What they did about that I have no idea.

RINJ is a non profit humanitarian gig so there are millions of people who help them like I do. I don't get paid or receive any compensation if that is what you are wondering.

If I am right. RINJ Women is more of a concept than an organization. That's just an opinion. It began from a big anti-rape campaign protest in Canada that got many women involved. They worked for years, especially those still in school. Some wanted to stay together. One of that bunch was my cousin. Same age, we were kids growing up together near Guelph, Ontario. I no longer know many people but I know of them.

Because some members in Canada where Syrian-born, when the uprising began there to impact children, RINJ sent humanitarian workers including my cousin and found some adoptions for orphaned kids; they set up a clinic; they were for a year or two forced into Iraq where they had a base. Fred's sister did not make it that far. They were hit north of Raqqa. I have been to the place where my cousin died. It is a very dangerous country. It was emotional. I demanded from a woman I met who was in charge, that they never ever stop; don't make it all for nought; and don't go away as many NGOS working in war zones have done.

She said, "That is partly up to you. Please try and keep others interested." So I promised. I took an interest but life itself gets in the way. I am a casual tourist. Regardless, I never want their work to be unremembered because some have died in the troubled spots they have been working at. Maybe you will consider this and remember what some people do to make the world more fit for humans. Right now it needs more. P.S. There was no five year absence. I have another account from when I was in school. Thanks for asking, Hijiri 88. This is the first time in years I have thought through this. I will go have a beer. I need that now. Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 08:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't, in this case, much care about the nature of the group or its goals. I am a feminist, and I am anti-rape -- on Wikipedia, I've devoted countless hours to increasing Wikipedia's coverage of (mostly non-white, non-western) women, but that is completely irrelevant. I do not appreciate the implication of the fourth and fifth sentences of your opening paragraph, and I would ask you to retract and apologize for it. Your third, fourth, and fifth paragraphs appear to bear no relation to my question.

Your edits appeared to indicate a COI, possibly paid editing, and you need to disclose such a relationship if you have one. You now tell me (in the shortest of your above five paragraphs) that you are not paid but are rather a volunteer who works with the group gratis.

That is, as far as I am aware, acceptable, assuming you got permission to recreate the article after it had apparently previously been deleted per community consensus.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:11, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

BTW, would you mind telling me the name of your other account? If you are still actively editing Wikipedia under a different account, it would be easier to contact you on that account's talk page. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

2nd Reply

I am sorry you are offended by anything I have said or done. I do not know who you are anything about you. How could I wish to offend you? I feel terrible. I know I am terrible at this and most things I do. I just wish there could be peace. Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 12:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

thefamouspeople and ancestry.com as references

Hi Nymphetamine labyrinth. I noticed that you used thefamouspeople.com and ancestry.com as references in Strother Martin . Please note that the general consensus as expressed at WP:RSN is that they does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for such information. I've gone ahead and removed them. If you disagree, let's discuss it. You may want to check WP:RSP and WP:RSN to help determine if a source is reliable. Thanks.--Hipal (talk) 17:37, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I missed that. Your assistance is much appreciated. Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 05:30, 30 September 2023 (UTC)