User talk:NorthBySouthBaranof/Archives/2018/December

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1RR

You've made a revert here, and your two recent reverts violate 1RR at Linda Sarsour. wumbolo ^^^ 19:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Your edit here wholly misrepresents and falsifies the statement of a reliable source as it relates to a BLP, which is a violation of policy and may be reverted immediately by anyone. The cited source does not say that Sarsour "said she" received threats, it states the existence of the threats as an unambiguous fact, and as per WP:YESPOV, Uncontested and uncontroversial factual assertions made by reliable sources should normally be directly stated in Wikipedia's voice.

There are two possibilities: 1) you inadvertently misread or failed to read the reliable sources, made a mistake and should accept that someone else fixed your screwup or 2) you willfully and intentionally misrepresented a reliable source in order to portray a living person in a false light. If you would like to accept responsibility for this falsification of reliable sources and invite scrutiny on your own actions, go right ahead and report me somewhere. Otherwise, you could accept that you made a mistake, violated policy and slink away from the scene. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 21:03, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, they do: (emphasises/emphases mine)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/womens-march-catapults-a-muslim-american-leader-onto-national-stage/2017/02/07/56bb6156-ea31-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html

Of late, Sarsour said, two of her sisters have taken turns monitoring her social-media feeds throughout the day and deleting threatening and offensive posts that appear, she said.

Sarsour has received threats in the past and had a personal security detail assigned from the New York Police Department last year after someone published her home address online, she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/07/muslim-activist-linda-sarsours-reference-to-jihad-draws-conservative-wrath/

Sarsour is accustomed to hostile messages and even death threats on social media, particularly since the Women’s March. Those threats escalated this spring when the City University of New York School of Public Health selected her to give a commencement address.

which is cited to New York Times: She says she regrets that she has not been able to shield her three children, all teenagers, from the vitriol and threats she has received online.

There are two instances of statements of fact:

Despite a barrage of hateful messages and violent threats targeting her on social media since, Sarsour has continued a punishing schedule of activism as she has sought to bring her heightened profile, and a new sense of what is possible, to a range of resistance movements that are developing in the first weeks of President Trump’s administration. [1]
Others threatened her and even called for her deportation. [2]

The second one is vague, while the first one seems enough to me personally, but less than NPOV because it's one sentence against several. But that's no justification for you saying The cited source does not say that Sarsour "said she" received threats, and accusing me of misreading the sources. So yes it will be 3) I read the sources properly, and felt that attribution is necessary. Thanks for giving me a couple of choices, so I will also give you three choices. 1) Revert your edit and admit you were wrong in saying I misrepresented sources, and I will accept that, forget this, and think much higher of you. 2) Revert your edit and admit nothing, and I will accept that. 3) Don't revert your edit, and I will report you. wumbolo ^^^ 21:59, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Wrong. Despite a barrage of hateful messages and violent threats targeting her on social media since, Sarsour has continued a punishing schedule of activism as she has sought to bring her heightened profile, and a new sense of what is possible, to a range of resistance movements that are developing in the first weeks of President Trump’s administration. That's a clear statement of fact. So is this — On Tuesday, the New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force announced it's investigating a threat made on social media against prominent Brooklyn activist Linda Sarsour. It is factual and verifiable that Sarsour has received online threats, including death threats. We are not going to weaken these clearly-verifiable facts. Please move on. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

All you lying Democrat journalists should be shot.

Democrats ate the enemy of the people, and journalists are professional liars. You are a worthless, subhuman vermin who needs to be stomped into the pavement.

Factual error: I'm not a journalist. You apparently didn't even bother to read my userpage, which helpfully has an infobox that says who I work for. Low energy! Sad!NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:06, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Also, I will happily eat the enemy of the people, so long as the enemy of the people is crunchy and tastes good with ketchup. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:11, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018

Hello NorthBySouthBaranof/Archives/2018,

Reviewer of the Year

This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to Onel5969. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554 reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285 edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.

Thanks are also extended for their work to JTtheOG (15,059 reviews), Boleyn (12,760 reviews), Cwmhiraeth (9,001 reviews), Semmendinger (8,440 reviews), PRehse (8,092 reviews), Arthistorian1977 (5,306 reviews), Abishe (4,153 reviews), Barkeep49 (4,016 reviews), and Elmidae (3,615 reviews).
Cwmhiraeth, Semmendinger, Barkeep49, and Elmidae have been New Page Reviewers for less than a year — Barkeep49 for only seven months, while Boleyn, with an edit count of 250,000 since she joined Wikipedia in 2008, has been a bastion of New Page Patrol for many years.

Stephen Miller

I raised concerns about Miller - let's discuss them on the talk page of the Miller article.MagicatthemovieS (talk) 17:37, 17 December 2018 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS

Stephen Miller

Hello, NxS Baranoff. I don't agree with IntelligentName's reversion of your edit to the above article. I think your edit would stand if the language were slightly softened. Your sources were WP:RS, and this is an important subject. I encourage you to replace your paragraph in the article, with appropriate care.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment

Greetings. I think the issue you raised here is certainly worth examining in the proper forum. I could think of a few contributions by the user in question that ArbCom might have questions about. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 10:04, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

I have taken the article (and associated co-founders, women's march) off my watchlist - I have been spending too much time on what is a present-day political bio - a topic I usually stay clear of. Icewhiz (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello NorthBySouthBaranof, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD\|Talk 19:16, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Best wishes for this holiday season! Thank you for your Wiki contributions in 2018. May 2019 be prosperous and joyful. --K.e.coffman (talk) 22:09, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Noël ~ καλά Χριστούγεννα ~ З Калядамі ~ חנוכה שמח ~ Gott nytt år!

Preserving material and reverting

You broke 1RR at Linda Sarsour yet again. The content was arguably about "random" partisan hackery but that is not an excuse for removing the entirety of content which is NOT exempt from the classical WP:3RR, as citing an unreliable newspaper is not an automatic BLP violation and alternatives to deleting content can be considered. You may believe the content in question was violating BLP, but your edit summary wasn't exactly saying that (not all WP:WEIGHT-related disputes require BLP removal). I'm not going to demand anything here because I don't feel like correcting the content myself at the moment, but other editors might not be of that opinion. wumbolo ^^^ 17:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

You may wish to re-examine the second edit; all I did was remove the section header and add a dispute tag. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 17:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

It is definitely a partial revert of this edit. wumbolo ^^^ 17:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)