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October 2018

Hello, I'm Benyamin-ln. I noticed that you recently removed content from Kamal Habibollahi without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Benyamin-ln (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Benyamin-In,

You wrote me a note regarding an ‘Early Life’ biographical note for Admiral Kamal Habibollahi which we each keep changing. I knew this wonderful man INTIMATELY well, as I am his Son. My father was orphaned at the age of 6 and had NO memories of his own father who passed when he was an infant. The Wikipedia page should be about the Admiral. Where his father was buried is irrelevant. While my father fought for and believed in individual freedoms and liberties for all, including freedom of religion, including a respect for Islam included, he himself ONLY believed in God and a goodness in humanity, and NEVER practiced Islam in any way, shape or form. Again-no disrespect, but this was the man he was. He had a passionate love for Iranian culture, history, and tradition but individually never had an affinity for Islam. Whether his ancestors were Muslims, Zoroastrians, or whatever that is irrelevant. Noting that his father who he never consciously met might have been a Muslim buried in a Mosque ground is irrelevant and UNFAIRLY labels him as something he wasn’t. In fact he spent a lot of his time preaching and educating against RADICAL Islam, not only as a threat to the western world but also as a threat to the over 1 billion+ Good Muslims who have mostly been the victims of extreme ideology. I don’t know who you are or why you feel it is important to ruin my fathers biography with a silly side-note about his father who he never met, but I respectfully ask that you please leave it from here, thank you Nojazer (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Nojazer. I want to explain one-on-one how your contributions violated the rules of wikipedia.

1. At the first, you removed the name of father of him. Why? I can't understand how your explains about RADICAL Islam and such topics can censor the truth! censorship is not allowed. Censor of his father because of some topics that is not related this biography, violated neutral point of view and made an original research. All material in article must be verifiable. Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources. The He was orphaned at a young age and also lived through and witnessed the Soviet occupation of Azerbaijan, Iran. He was raised by a kind grandmother and was exceptionally studious and well-read. From a young age he developed a nationalistic passion for service and development of a modern Iran. is not verifiable until came from reliable, published sources.
   So in this one, you remved a well-souced material, and added an unsourced material. Both of them violated the rules.
   This is an informal and friendly question: If you are really the son of the Timsar, how you don't know the name of your grandfather?! I'm a native of Astara. At here, some aged people still remember him and his father, and the family of Habibollahi are still living.
2. At the second, you removed a part of the birth name of Kamal Habibollahi.
3. At the third you continued addition of unsourced material.
4. At the fourth you the nationality of him!

• If you provide reliable sources, can keep those sentences. I don't remove them temporarily for 1 month, but the others must be rollback. If you again remove the sourced materials, unfortunately an edit warring begins, which is highly unpleasant.
• At the end, I would say that any external relationship —personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial (including holding a cryptocurrency)— can trigger a conflict of interest.

Regards. Benyamin-ln (talk) 01:27, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, Well I’m happy I have connected with someone who claims to be from Astara. Please though don’t lecture me on violating Wikipedia rules and such as we both should be interested in establishing a proper truthful biography for Timsar. It is irrelevant in this setting who his father was especially since he never consciously interacted with his father, and the biography is not loaded with any other family members. It should be about Timsar. I know my grandfather’s name from being told so and you have it approximately correct (debatable in some forms translating native language to English posting). The point is, it is irrelevant to his biography as an Admiral who his father was. If you want to say that he was the son of Mir-Keytab and Ameneh it’s fine. But what really we as a family would all appreciate is a taking out any reference to Islam as my Father did not practice the religion. We respect all religions if practiced freely and peacefully but again my father did not practice Islam. I changed his name as it was in the end as I know it Kamaloddin Mir Habibollahi and in the US he was just officially ‘Kamal.’ I don’t know the Iranian exact birth record but I thought showing 2 ‘Mirs’ is a bit much. I took out nationality because there was a section on country or citizenship so this was just doubled up. He was of course Iranian but later in life became a USA Citizen. I hope these explanations help-most importantly he would appreciate not being wrongly labeled with Islam even if his father or ancestors were. If you feel it important to reference his father can you please take the Islamic reference out? Nojazer (talk) 09:38, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Nojazer. Which part of the article described religion/religious practice of Kamal Habibollahi? Such things does not exist in the article and he is not labeled with Islam.

As sources, Mir-Ketaballah Mir-Habibollahi (Persian: میرکتاب‌الله میرحبیب‌اللهی) and Mir-Hamdallah Mir-Habibollahi (Persian: میرحمدالله میرحبیب‌اللهی) were the sons of Mir-Hadi (Persian: میرهادی), who was son of Mir-Habib (Persian: میرحبیب). Mir-Habibollahi comes from the name of Mir-Habib. Your family maybe agree that 2 ‘Mirs’ is a bit much, because names of younger members of this family begins with Sayyid. For example Sayyid-Kourosh Mir-Habibollahi, Sayyid-Ramin Mir-Habibollahi and Sayyid-Shervin Mir-Habibollahi are cousins of the Admiral.

Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. Personal relationship with subject of an article is not a reliable source. With respect, verifiability via reliable sources is more important than my thought or your thought or other wikipedians.

Nationality differs from Citizenship.

Please read the WP:V and WP:NPOV. You can improve the Career section with reliable sources and use proper images. I would talk with you again.

Benyamin-ln (talk) 15:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)