User talk:Noha307

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Re: Template

Which template do you mean? I can think of a couple:

{{User WPMILHIST}} - a little userbox indicating your membership
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{{WPMILHIST Navigation}} - the navigation bar

Is one of them the one you mean? (In all cases, you just add the appropriate template name between sets of double curly braces to the page in order to include it.) Kirill Lokshin 01:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Titanic life boats

Do you have a reference for the addition you made about Titanic's captain ordering the lifeboats lowered half-empty? In my extensive reading, I've not come across this. When adding such a statement, a footnote with a reference would be most helpful. Akradecki 20:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added a reference to a book that does not confirm it but it highly suggests it. -Noha307 22:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lloyd Allan Trigg

Hey, the reason Victoria Cross was not a link (I think) is because earlier in that paragraph the post-nominal VC is linked there. Just thought I would let you know... with or without your last edit to this article, I don't think there is much of a difference anyways. BigNate37_(T) 02:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unterseeboot 405

It would be super helpful if you could write an intro to the article on Unterseeboot 405 so that unfamiliar readers could, you know, read about it. NickelShoe (Talk) 18:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know I just was trying to start as many Unterseeboot articles as I can, so I'm being very brief. -Noha307 19:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, but it's not like the article is short. There is no article. And you wrote it back in August, so it would be great if you could go back and fix it now. NickelShoe (Talk) 04:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry not right now, but it does help more than a blank page. -Noha307 19:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Libyan Barnstar

Thanks for the Barnstar, yay my first on wikipedia :D.--Rafy talk 09:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

See thank you on WP:TEA. (",) 97.87.29.188 (talk) 20:35, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TjTot@id.wiki

Thanks for the notice, I have checked and fixed it .. seems that my bot was one day outdated. Thanks — Tjmoel^bicara 03:29, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

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Fireroom

Thanks for noticing! Glad you liked it! Student7 (talk) 13:31, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiwings

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		For diligent detail work on List of displayed Bell UH-1 Iroquois. - Ahunt (talk) 00:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Use the In use template

You should add the {{In use}} template if you plan to do a lot of edits to an article. Thanks. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was actually just writing a response on your talk page to explain myself and make sure there were no hard feelings when I received an e-mail notification about you posting here! I hoped you weren't upset that I reverted your edit and that my edit summary response showed good faith.

When I reformat the aircraft on display/survivors sections, I have been doing it in small edits because: 1) it is easier to keep track of the differences between the edits I have made, 2) I figure it will make for a more useful edit history than one big edit, and 3) I have been trying to keep as much relevant, user-added information that already exists on the page – and smaller edits make it less likely that that information will be lost. Most of the time I believe I have been simply editing the existing entry and moving it "up" to the other "fixed" entries, but this time I just decided to outright duplicate them and then delete the old entries. On that note, I will also point out that, as you likely know, many of the AOD/survivor sections are a mess, so I have been creating temporary subsections just to organize the airframe entries for the time being. (For example, the "airworthy" section on the MiG-29 article.)

A while back I read somewhere about different editing styles on Wikipedia and how some people make one large edit and others make lots of smaller edits – both to the same end. I took that to mean there is an understanding regarding when pages were edited in the latter way. I had no idea there was a template for that – I will make sure to use it in the future.

This is way more background information than you needed to know, but I just wanted to get it out there. So, anyway, thanks! —Noha307 (talk) 19:49, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that big a deal of me. I was unsure what the To Be Deleted list meant, but figured it out based on your last edits. There is a similar template, {{Under construction}} meant for major changes. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:02, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for mentioning the templates. They are very helpful.—Noha307 (talk) 20:09, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Misplaced In use tag

Sorry, I didn't see the In use tag, as it was not at the top of the article where it's supposed to go. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 22:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I intentionally used the section version of the in use tag. Isn't the section version supposed to go at the top of the section that is being edited? –Noha307 (talk) 22:34, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Also, I am confused by the FAA reference for the one flying H-21. It is not defined, or even mentioned, anywhere else in the article, but somehow~~ Never mind, I figured it out, the reference was in the references section of the article rather than at the end of the Classic Rotors Museum entry. I am still confused about the use of the "in use" tag, though. –Noha307 (talk) 22:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the section toggle didn't work, maybe because you used an Uppercase S in section. Either way, I completely missed it where it was. Still, you did add the tag, so I'm sorry I didn't see it. - BilCat (talk) 22:57, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand now. The "in use section" tag always goes at the top of the article even though it refers to a specific section of an article. I thought it went at the top of the section that was being edited, similar to the "unreferenced section" tag that is currently at the top of the "aircraft on display" section. –Noha307 (talk) 23:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I was wrong, it can go in the section, but it might get more attention at the top, as an article tag. - BilCat (talk) 23:22, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I will remember this for next time. –Noha307 (talk) 23:24, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merry, merry!

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Reflist|4

Hi. Just letting you know that reflist|2/3/4 are all deprecated per Template:Reflist#Columns. If you don't know the best ways to format these are:

reflist|35em for 2 columns
reflist|30em for 3 columns
reflist|40em for 4 columns

Most of the time, 4 columns don't really need to be used unless an article has well over 200 or so refs. thanks--Jennica✿ / ^talk 09:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know! However, I just tested the 40em parameter on the List of aircraft in the Smithsonian Institution article and it gave me 3 columns not 4. The 20em parameter you added gave me 6 columns. I can mess around with it to get a 4 column layout (honestly, I don't really care how many columns it is, I just want to use the format that works best), but I thought you might want to know your suggestions don't work out exactly as claimed (I will note the reflist you cited above provides some different suggestions).

Anyway, I appreciate you telling me about the change. –Noha307 (talk) 00:02, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Re:A barnstar for you!

Dear Noha307, thank you very much! You're right, it's been quite some time since I wrote that article (and unfortunately I'm not as active as a Wikipedia editor as I used to be) but it's very nice to see that it is still considered valuable. Thanks again for showing your appreciation! All the best, --M.L.Watts _{Watts up?} 13:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to Pima Air and Space.

I saw that you did a massive mod to this page, why did you delete the data on new displays? this is the only area where that information was available. that info show that a museum is alive (referring to adding new stuff). almost all people say... oh i was there 5 or 10 years ago. what could have changed?

V/R Westca — Preceding unsigned comment added by Westca (talk • contribs) 18:07, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

First, I will point out that I included an explanation of my actions on the talk page for the article, so please take a moment to look at that if you haven't yet. Second, this type of information belongs on the museum's website, not Wikipedia. Details such as where the museum has moved a certain aircraft to on a certain date is unencyclopedic as it is a little too overly detailed for Wikipedia. In addition, most of the movements you added were unsourced, so even if that type of information would qualify for inclusion your additions would still be problematic. Remember that the goal of the Wikipedia article is not to "show that a museum is alive" as Wikipedia is not for self-promotion, but to provide a general overview of the subject.

My suggestion if you would like to contribute to the article is to write up a few paragraphs with references that describe the displays at the museum, as Wikipedia generally prefers paragraphs to simple lists of information.

I can understand the issues of contributing to a Wikipedia article dealing with an aviation museum as I volunteer at one myself. (For example, one final thing to be careful of is a conflict of interest.) I also appreciate the effort you have put in to improving the article (as many of the aviation museum articles on Wikipedia are stubs), but, as explained above, there are problems with what you added. –Noha307 (talk) 22:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for your quick replay. I did read what you posted there, but I did not know when you would see any questions.

Sense you work at a place like this, you know that the only way a web page is updated is if they have someone with the skills to do so. That is why most 501c's (that do not have a line item from Fed, State, or local govs) are quickly moving to only doing updating info via Facebook or other social media because of both the lack of out of pocket cost, manpower, and ease of use. WP does not accept FB or other social media as a valid sources even from "official sites". I would think as part of General info would be any information about growth or decline of something. also the reason there were notes about acft moving to different areas but not listed in those new areas. Is because other people would change it back. simply because it was not that way months or years ago when they went there. This would start a change revert war lasting weeks to months. The want to avoid the Conflict of interest, is why I only used bullet points and hyperlinks to other WP pages. That is also why I did not add photos or try to upload info docs that might have been put out by this origination. I my not employed at this origination, other than helping on my off time, from time to time. I do stop by there about once or twice a month and have POC's that I visit with.

Again, I understand the problem. The fact that aviation museums have moved toward updating social media rather than their own websites has frustrated me as well. It makes adding references to lists of surviving aircraft for Wikipedia articles more difficult. However, that doesn't mean that we can add uncited information to Wikipedia articles. A lack of information on museum websites does not justify attempting to fix it with uncited additions on our end. Wikipedia is not an extension or substitute for a museum website. The fact that there were people revert warring is a great example of why reliable sources are necessary, as simply pointing to those sources would resolve the debate. I have actually dealt with this specific issue on the talk page for the museum at which I volunteer. You might find the discussion and suggestion there useful. Finally, I will note again that I don't believe aircraft locations within a museum is information that belongs on Wikipedia. –Noha307 (talk) 23:40, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays

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Season's Greetings

...to you and yours, from Canada's Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Surviving Bristol Bolingbrokes

Hi Noha307,

I noticed that the two entries for the surviving Bolingbrokes at 17 Wing Winnipeg are no longer on the page. I had made these entries in 2016.

Was there a problem with the entries? I am responsible for both aircraft and am supervising the restoration of 9887 to static display condition. I noticed they were missing when I went to the site today when I went to addinformation on the fuselage of 9893 being used for a restoration at the Battle of Britain Museum in Kent. https://www.facebook.com/The-Kent-Battle-of-Britain-Museum-126834467471736/

IVT 9887 17 Wing Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Manitoba. Aircraft donated from farm in 2013, indoor storage awaiting cosmetic restoration.

IVT 10209 17 Wing Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Manitoba. Fuselage and wing roots only. Stored outdoors.

I notice that the entry for 9887 is still there, but now says "Unknown ID"

Here is our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/pg/17-Wing-Ghost-Squadron-434646616707603/photos/?tab=album&album_id=434655930040005

34FGH

Hi 34FGH,

Thanks for asking. Looking back at my edit summary, the problem I had was that I could not find a reliable source that confirmed that there were two airframes at 17 Wing. The one source I did find did not suggest that there was more than one airframe at 17 Wing and did not include an identity for the one that it did mention.

I appreciate the link you included – that is an excellent history you compiled – but Facebook is not a reliable source. Unfortunately, I also can't use your statements here because Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference for Wikipedia. However, if you know of a source that meets the guidelines at WP:RS, such as a news article, that includes the necessary information please let me know and I will gladly re-add the missing identity. Or you could even do it yourself. It just has to be supported by reliable sources. (As an aside, this is an issue I have run into myself with the museum where I work.)

I will also note that the general consensus among the Wikipedia editors that monitor airplane articles is not to include "bits and pieces", that is to say incomplete airframes, when there are surviving complete airframes. So, I don't know if 10209 would be considered notable enough.

I know some of the Wikipedia policies I noted above can be confusing, so please feel free to ask if you have any questions.

Best of luck on your restoration,

Noha307 –Noha307 (talk) 01:26, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Beriev aircraft list

Hi, I don't know if you're working on converting aircraft lists to tables in a systematic manner or not, or as you find them, but the list in the Beriev article is quite a mess. I've reorganized it a little, but it needs more, and tables are well beyond my wiki-abilities. Cheers. - BilCat (talk) 00:43, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've basically been going through and converting the lists of aircraft on aircraft manufacturer pages to tables. (Also adding infoboxes to articles that are missing them, talk page project banners, etc.) I had been focusing on the smaller and lesser known manufacturers because I figure they are less likely to get the attention they need and I'm less likely to run into conflict with other editors there. However, I have been considering taking on some of the bigger companies. I'll have to take a look at the Beriev article, but I don't know if I'll get around to it since I've only been doing American companies so far. I appreciate the recommendation though!

As far as skill level goes, I don't actually know that much about tables either. I didn't make the one I've been using – I shamelessly stole FlugKerl's design from another article. I've just been copy pasting that same one every time and then modifying it to fit the new article. ;) –Noha307 (talk) 00:58, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, as I'm certainly not trying to make work for you. As to copying tables, that's what I've always done with navboxes, infoboxes, and even references. However, tables elude me, and even editing them is difficult. I'm not sure why, but that's how it has been for me. - BilCat (talk) 01:12, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Revert

Your move request was reverted. There is a rule about not changing the language the file name is in, so for instance, the changing the spelling of Iljusin to Ilyushin and Tupoljev to Tupolev are in violation of this rule. Both are correct spellings. See my talk page changing file names, and conventions. 777sms (talk) 20:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! I am just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, have access to the right resources and tools, and have the right skillset and knowledge to do so! I hope that they are as much of a use to everyone else as they are to me! –Noha307 (talk) 20:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well those are all happy coincidences for improving Wikipedia in general! - Ahunt (talk) 20:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the kind words. What I don't understand, however, is why you went through and added archived versions of every reference to the article. It's not a problem, per se, it just seems unnecessary. –Noha307 (talk) 03:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The edit you are referencing was made in preparation for the creation of a new article, as stated in the edit summary. The Aviation Heritage Park page – for a location in Virginia – existed as a redirect to the Aviation Historical Park article. However, there exists a different location in Kentucky that goes by the former name. In this case, the creation of a disambiguation page or qualifier in the title, such as a state name, did not seem necessary as the location in Virginia may have never actually used the "Aviation Heritage Park" name. I did not immediately replace the removed content as I was still writing the article and the delay may have given the impression of simple blanking. Next time, I will try to remember to not blank the page until the replacement content is ready. –Noha307 (talk) 00:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Klbrain: Could you explain what you mean by "non-routine"? What type of sources would you be looking for? –Noha307 (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By 'routine', I mean source like ""What's Going On". Odessa American", which routinely list events. For reliable sources, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources; for notability, see WP:ORG, noting particularly that there is No inherited notability. So, the museum is important because Webb Air Force Base is notable, and so it is best discussed in the context of that page. Klbrain (talk) 14:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Another manufacturer-based list of preserved aircraft

In addition to the Boeing and McDonnell Douglas lists, I just wanted to make sure this one was on your radar -- List of preserved Aero Spacelines aircraft. With so few airframes (6 total across all 3 types), this one seems especially pointless to me. I also have a strong suspicion that the anonymous user doing this is an editor from the distant past who was the subject of an ANI report for similar behaviours. --Rlandmann (talk) 01:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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