User talk:Nlowell 2010

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I've been working into the idea here (slowly I hope) and learning the ropes. I've just done a major revision of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Immortals_%28novel%29 and wonder if you'd take a look at it to see if I'm on the right track. What I did was join the Novel and Podcasting Projects - both fields which I have some knowledge in - and then found a stub article about a novel that spanned the two. I have no direct interest in this work so conflict of interest shouldn't be an issue. I took the novel template, applied it to the original article, moved the notation about podcast adaptation to the correct area within the template and added the reference info from Publisher's Weekly, ISBN's for publication history etc. (Do I need to reference where those came from? or is it sufficient to list them?) Thanks. Nlowell 2010 (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So far so good. :-) The one thing I would note, though, is that generally the plot summary, so long as it is pure plot summary and no interpretation, does not need a reference. I did cleanup the reference formatting a bit. The bigger concern, however, is whether the work is notable. So far, it does not appear to be. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Let me go back and look at the notability requirements for the novel. I thought this had already passed a referendum on that or i wouldn't have wasted my time on it. I'll also check on how/where I can grab an image for the cover. I purposely did NOT just take one from the web because of copyright issues, but lemme see what the novel people say about it. I'm *really* struggling with this notability issue because i think podcasting, and podcast fiction in particular is a notable movement but because mainstream press is not considering it, it's not being written about. Nlowell 2010 (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can use a cover from the web. It is frequently done. The image would need the appropriate FUR and sourcing info, and ideally shouldn't be more than 300-350 pixels wide. In general, to meet notability requirements, the novel must have significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources. For novels, this is most often established through reviews. 3-4 would generally be enough, but they must be reliable reviews - so ones in blogs, personal sites, sites like ePinions, and user-submitted reviews would not count. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I found the appropriate section in the infobox for books and I think I've got that. I can find three reviews - Library Journal, Publisher's Weekly, and Kirkus - but those aren't NY Review of Books caliber. More like stuff practically every book gets. Well if nothing else it's good practice, but as i'm looking around here, it seems like notability is a major issue that's ignored in a lot of cases. Can anybody challenge notability? Nlowell 2010 (talk) 17:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Those are fine. All three are considered reliable sources and enough to establish basic notability, though of course more reviews is always better :-). And yes, anyone can challenge notability (and with so many articles, many do indeed slip through). Notability can be challenged through a speedy deletion request, adding a notability tag, proposing it for deletion, or where discussion may be needed, sending it to articles for deletion. I've worked on several novel articles, which are almost all now good articles. If it would help with working on a reception section and general formatting/content for novel articles, please feel free to take a look at them: Lad, a Dog, White Dog (book), The Fox and the Hound (novel), and Wolf: A Journey Home (the later, in particular, has only four reviews, but there was enough material to establish notability and craft a full article). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then. Thanks for your insight. Nlowell 2010 (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Lowell article

When I wrote the article about you it never occurred to me that you might not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. In my book you are one of the most notable writers, but it is not my book that counts. In my opinion I still think that Wikipedia would be a better place with an article about you rather than without, but my opinion is admittedly biased. If it is the consensus of the other editors that the article does not meet the guidelines that have been written, then I guess I have to support that decision. The guidelines have helped make Wikipedia what it is, and so far they have worked pretty well. So if the article is deleted, I apologize for writing it before its time, for I believe that eventually you will meet whatever guidelines are established. Your work is just too good for it not to be recognized by a much wider audience. Sorry that you had to be bothered by all this. And for what it is worth, thank you for writing your stories.
-- Fl1n7 (talk) 19:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New WikiProject Novels initiative

We have begun a new initiative at the WikiProject Novels: an improvement drive. As a member listed here, you are being notified. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels#5-5-5 Improvement Drive and Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Collaboration for more details. Also I would like to remind you to keep an eye on the project talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels. Thanks, Sadads (talk) 02:06, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Podcasting

Hey, I was just looking over the list of members on the Podcasting group and wanted to see if you were still active in the project. If so, it looks like the project could use a little jump-start. In particular, I think notability requirements and assessment guidelines could be added/updated. Please check out the page if you're still interested and move your name to the 2011 active list. Thanks! Udeezy (talk) 22:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Novels Collaboration for February

Thank you everyone who participated in the January Collaboration, it was quite a success with 5 new C class articles, 3 stub kills and several articles were removed from our backlogs. In support of the Great Backlog Drive, the WikiProject Novels Collaboration for February is going to help remove backlog candidates in the backlogs related to WikiProject Novels. Please join us, and help us wikify, reference, clean up plot sections and generally improve Novels content, Sadads (talk) 21:45, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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