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Archive This is an archive of past discussions on Nihiltres' user talk page, as archived on July 26, 2007. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XIV - July 2007

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The July 2007 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

This is an automated delivery by grafikbot 17:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page tabs

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Thanks for your comments on the proposal. You said:

As an administrator, I have many tabs. I'm no fan of the crowding,

Me too. But this change is for newcomers and drive-by contributors, not admins and people with customized interfaces. I don't see these tabs as written. I have a bunch of admin tabs and customized tabs. Are you aware that you can shorten the tabs however you want with your user javascript? I have "edit this page" shortened to "edit", for instance.
if(document.getElementById('ca-edit')) {
        document.getElementById('ca-edit').firstChild.innerHTML = 'Edit';
    }

"+" seems very intuitive - I understood it on first sight.

Several people have said it's not clear to them. Have you asked non-Wikipedian friends if they can figure out how to leave a comment if they see an error in an article? I've asked several of mine, and they weren't even aware they could edit the article without logging in.  :-) I think our interface needs some serious revamping to continue attracting contributions from passers-by.

It's also frustrating because I seem to see a majority of users opposing any change from the original - we need a consensus here, and for site-wide, hugely visible changes like this, it is frustrating to see such a short discussion change the interface against the wishes of many.

I clearly said that the change was not to be considered final, and was supposed to generate more discussion to reach a real consensus. I see now that his was a dumb idea, since people are just going to say "NOOO CHANGE IT BACK" without actually reading the discussion or alternative proposals. — Omegatron 12:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry - my original phrase was, to a certain extent, a well-worded "NOOO CHANGE IT BACK" as you put it. I personally don't have much of a problem with the idea of a change - my frustration was at the sudden difference, which, although it succeeded in generating discussion, was an irritant to those involved, prejudicing them, including myself, to uninformedly oppose.
I've since (before your comment) updated my monobook.js with a script I found to ensure that my interface remains as I would wish it to remain, with the added bonus of shortening the edit tab in the same way that you have. This means that my personal problems with the change are solved - my selfish wish for an interface optimized for a more advanced user is removed from consideration.
As for "+" being intuitive - my argument there is somewhat fallacious, I now realize. Simply because I, someone who finds the use of most computer systems intuitive, find a single-character link obvious, doesn't prove its clarity to the majority of our users.
If it can be shown that new users find this arrangement clearer, and there is a general consensus on the Village Pump, I'll support a change. I'm sorry for initially bullheadedly opposing: I hadn't carefully considered the implications of a change or lack thereof before commenting.
Thanks, I'll go comment again with a more open mind. :) Nihiltres(t.l) 00:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption Request

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Hello! I am a newly-registered Wiki editor, looking for an adopter. I was looking for a particular type of adopter: one who can remain fair in disputes, one who uses facts and logic rather than fallacy, and one who really knows how to use all the "extras" Wiki has, such as mark ups and tools (the latter because I have absolutely no experience and could use help).

I don't think that I'd be much trouble. I'm not looking for someone to double-check everything I do. My overall long-term interests would be to work in controversial articles, trying to find cites for contested bits, and trying to be an objective 3rd party in disputes. For the moment though, I am still just randomly looking through pages and finding little edits to make, just to get into the process. I am also slowly trying to learn the different little tools I can use, and trying to learn the mark-up language.

With those goals in mind, I went looking through the different adopter profiles, admittedly paying more attention to admins, and found you. I've spent some time looking through your talk and user pages, and you seem to perfect for what I am looking for.  :) Since I am so new, I'd understand if you wanted to wait until I have a few more edits behind me before deciding, I would like to request for you to adopt me. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you very much! Drake Maijstral 21:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fine - you certainly seem to have come to the right place by requesting adoption so quickly, and I'm sure that I can help. I have a couple of small questions:
  1. Which time zone do you edit from? What sorts of times are you online? I'm four hours ahead of UTC, and I tend to edit in the afternoons and late at night. It might be useful to be able to know to expect when you might need help.
  2. You say that you plan to edit controversial subjects. Is there any in particular? Some subjects have particularly sensitive spots, so it might be useful to get a general understanding of the subject before I gave particular advice.
Aside from that, you seem like you'll be a fine editor - I skimmed through your contributions and you seem to know the basics well. I'll be busy until later today, but I'll watchlist your talk page for now and be back later. If there's anything in particular you need to know, ask away: I have a decent understanding of most of what goes on around here (or at least I like to think so, it's a big site). :) Nihiltres(t.l) 22:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC) (cross-posted)[reply]


Deleted page

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Hello,

I was editing a new page called Sports Data when you deleted.

I had started this and then was called away from my desk. I've added significant content- although it is not done I hope that you do not need to delete it.

Thanks,

Queryprofessor.

I'll leave it alone for now - though you should note that the new copy has been tagged for speedy deletion too. You might want to consider explaining the context to which your content applies - that isn't clear, and that is why your page is being repeatedly tagged for deletion. Nihiltres(t.l) 23:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC) (cross-posted)[reply]

explanation of reason for Difference in Depth of Modulation editing

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(another recent deletion)

The only reason I entered some stuff for "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Difference_in_Depth_Modulation&action=edit"

(Difference in Depth of Modulation), was because when I went to read some other article, I've forgotten which, there was a "link" to Difference in Depth of Modulation, and when I tried to follow that link, it said I was editing! Just my 0.02, from

Mike Schwartz 00:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You must be talking about Difference in Depth Modulation (the slight difference matters!). If a link is red, that means that there isn't an article on the subject yet. It invites someone who clicks on it, in this case you coming from DDM, to create an article on the subject. We have certain standards for a minimum of information, so it's often best to post mainly about things which you either are familiar with or have researched. Don't worry about the mistake - you were trying to do the right thing, and I respect that. :) Nihiltres(t.l) 00:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC) (cross-posted)[reply]

OK, thank you. Mike Schwartz 02:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A friendly note from one admin to another...

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I deprodded List of West Virginia state parks due to the fact that it is common practice for there to be a "list of" for the state parks of each US state. I will, however, bring it up with the gang at WP:WVA to address your concerns and have the format match some of the better articles in Category:Lists of parks. Cheers. youngamerican (wtf?) 00:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, sounds fine. I wasn't worried about whether it was deleted or not - prodding can spur positive action towards an article too. :) Thanks for letting me know. Nihiltres(t.l) 00:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Nihiltres' Day!

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Nihiltres has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Nihiltres's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Nihiltres!

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

Love,
Phaedriel
04:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thank you Phaedriel. :) Nihiltres(t.l) 15:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, dear Nihiltres, for being such a wonderful, kind and beautiful person, not to mention your hard work and the effort you put in making this a better place. I should have visited you long ago, and told you how much I value and admire you, and your work - but, better late than never! :) Let this be just a token of my appreciation, and yes, my offer of friendship to you. I'm so happy you like the little gift, and I hope you've seized your Day; you deserve that, and so much more! :) Love, Phaedriel - 23:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...moral support..

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Hi Nihiltres,

Thanks for doing your adminly duties well. :-)

In this case I personally know that the editor, User:EveryDayJoe45 is clearly a dedicated member of the WikiProject whose goal is to improve the very article vandalized from his IP. I certainly believe his little brother was the culprit. Thanks! Ling.Nut 18:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. I unblocked his IP, I'm sure that's the case - besides, I remember being caught in a long-term school block before soft-blocking of IPs was implemented: it was very annoying. Nihiltres(t.l) 19:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:MrClaxson

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Thanks for this!--Rambutan (talk) 18:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help :) . Nihiltres(t.l) 18:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stabbed that Nigga Deletion

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It didn't meet the criteria YET, but I wasn't even finished! You guys didn't even give me time to work on it more! If you guys would have gave me more time, it would of met the criteria! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharrieff C. (talk • contribs) 20:19, July 20, 2007 (UTC)

Replied on user talk, where discussion began. Nihiltres(t.l) 21:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand perfectly.

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I know you had a damn good reason, thanks for letting me know. TheBlazikenMaster 01:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion of "William Volk"

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I found out about this a few days ago. This was started based on the Gamasutra article: [ http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/column_index.php?story=8644]

I don't understand why this was deleted....

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bvolk (talk • contribs) 23:04, July 21, 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted through proposed deletion, which allows an article to be deleted after five days if no one opposes its deletion. Valrith tagged it as "Non-notable person per WP:BIO", according to the page history. I deleted it once the tag had been on for five days - its deletion was then unopposed. One of the nice things about a prod (as it is called, shortened from "proposed deletion") is that you're free to recreate the article if you're sure that you can show evidence of notability, provide reliable sources, et cetera. By the way, I notice that your username is "Bvolk" - you should be aware of our guideline on conflicts of interest if you have any relation with the subject of the article. Nihiltres(t.l) 23:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the information. Thank you.

Re: deletion of Talk:List of Skunk Fu episodes

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Hi Nihiltres; I am wondering if you could be of assistance. Myself and another wikipedian are attempting to put together a list of episodes of this series as they air. I was hoping to be able to use the talk page for collaboration purposes until we can establish the way to put this list together. The other person, User:Lerdthenerd has offered to create this list, but needs help on the format of a table, as used in other episode listings. Do we have to create the article first before we can run the talk page? Or would it be better if we collaborate by using each others talk page for now? Hope you can help us sort this. Thanks! Thor Malmjursson 14:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for deleting the talk page - I deleted it because I had just deleted its article (List of Skunk Fu Episodes) (log) and therefore deleted the talk page under CSD G8 (log). CSD G8 is for talk pages without associated articles to be deleted, so generally talk pages need the article to exist. Since you're going to create the article anyway, I'll restore the talk page for you and leave a note for administrators to leave it be while you create the list - we can ignore the rules to help you out in this case :) . Nihiltres(t.l) 14:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC) (cross-posted)[reply]

Re: Historico-medical categories

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The categories should be renamed from Historico-medical to Historical medical. Thanks. --Silver Edge 20:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledged. Nihiltres(t.l) 03:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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