User talk:Neutral-Iran
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[edit]It is such a good idea to set up an account, and now that you have done it I feel bad drawing your attention to this, but you need to be aware that your username will likely be seen as disruptive: in effect your username claims the moral high ground that anyone who disagrees with you is not neutral! The policy is here: WP:DISRUPTNAME - to me, and I suspect to other editors also, it comes across as a form of trolling. I am sure this is not your intention, so please have a think about a more appropriate name, and asking for a username change. I will put a standard message below which will explain more. With friendly good wishes, Springnuts (talk) 10:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
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- My username is a violation insomuch as someone who names themselves as "HistoryofIran" and thus claims a moral high ground as the arbitrator of Iranian history is in violation.
- No offense, but after our disagreement on a talk page, this seems highly biased and targeted. Perhaps another editor should get involved.
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[edit]I feel you need to read wp:forumshop. You have been to the talk [page, and not got you way., then DR (and did not get your way) and now NPOV. If multiple users have said "NO" in multiple places you do not go elsewhere to try and get your eay.Slatersteven (talk) 11:15, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Until there is a consensus, I am entitled to RfC and the NPOV noticeboard. After those have been exhausted, I would be entitled to the dispute resolution board.
- Well no you are not entitled to anything, editing here is a privilege. If you are deemed to be too disruptive (such as not getting your way so going to another forum) you can have that privilege taken away. Please read the above link. Also read wp:consensus.Slatersteven (talk) 17:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- I don't understand why most of you are more interested in rapidly finishing up rather than making a coherent argument. I'm sure if less time was spent attacking me, we could have already come to a consensus or someone could have explained why I am wrong. Neutral-Iran (talk) 17:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Someone did when you asked for DR "To my mind the linguistic position is quite clear: the US withdrew from the agreement. It took back what was granted (its agreement). In this context the word “withdrawal” is more accurate and more specific, and “violation” is clearly POV where “withdrawal” is neutral. There is no dispute about whether the US withdrew – there is dispute about whether that withdrawal was a violation, and if so what of (the treaty, international law or international norms; or some combination of these).".Slatersteven (talk) 17:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Great, I agree that "violation" could be POV. Then why is "violation" used to describe similar Iranian actions? Doesn't that seem POV to you? Neutral-Iran (talk) 17:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- See wp:pointy, also WP:OTHER, there may be reasons why an article about Iran may use that language. You would need to ask that question there, not in another article. Nor can I say why it is done without seeing an example.Slatersteven (talk) 17:42, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Great, I agree that "violation" could be POV. Then why is "violation" used to describe similar Iranian actions? Doesn't that seem POV to you? Neutral-Iran (talk) 17:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Someone did when you asked for DR "To my mind the linguistic position is quite clear: the US withdrew from the agreement. It took back what was granted (its agreement). In this context the word “withdrawal” is more accurate and more specific, and “violation” is clearly POV where “withdrawal” is neutral. There is no dispute about whether the US withdrew – there is dispute about whether that withdrawal was a violation, and if so what of (the treaty, international law or international norms; or some combination of these).".Slatersteven (talk) 17:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- I don't understand why most of you are more interested in rapidly finishing up rather than making a coherent argument. I'm sure if less time was spent attacking me, we could have already come to a consensus or someone could have explained why I am wrong. Neutral-Iran (talk) 17:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
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