User talk:Nategrove

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Chemistry education

The material you have just reverted back to is, I am afraid, completely non-encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not the place to advertise the academic achievements of someone. The fact that it uses the words "we" and "our" is a complete give away on this. It also gives far too much weight to one chemical education researcher. If the person concerned is notable, then start an article on the person. This is very clearly not the place for it. --Bduke (talk) 00:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I hate to tell you this, but the listing on chemistry education is woefully out of date and in no way actually reflects the reality of the discipline. The programs listed do not even offer degrees (with the exception of the University of Arizon and the University of Iowa). Those programs that do, and there are now about two dozen, are not even highlighted. There is no information about the significant, historical figures in the field, nor who is currently working. Hence, the reason for our additions (I say "our" because this is a project initiated as part of the Division of Chemical Education of the American Chemical Society's desire to increase the availability of information about our field). You said that my addition focused too much on one figure, yet, the text as it exists only mentions a few of the two or three dozen significant researchers in the field. Although there was only one faculty member listed, the plan was to quickly add similar information for the other major figures in the field. We were waiting for the four day probationary period to end so we could add a photo so the other faculty could see what their entry would look like. I have always viewed Wikipedia as a living document that could be continually refined and updated as knowledge evolves. This insistance on maintaining the status quo flies in the face of the original goals of this project. In any event, we want to be able to provide this important information to people who are interested in learning more about what chemistry education researchers do. How would you recommend we do this? Could we add a short section called "Researchers in the Field" to the main chemistry education article and then have a link in that short section to a separate wikipedia page that contains information about the separate faculty and their research programs?--Nategrove (talk) 02:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I have copied your reply to Talk:Chemistry education which is where this discussion should be held to encourage others to comment. I have replied there. --Bduke (talk) 03:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)