User talk:Nardog/RCMuter

Can this be used to exclude bot edits?

@Nardog: Can this be used to hide edits by bots like Citation bot, InternetArchiveBot and OAbot without hiding articles with unseen edits by humans from the Watchlist?

I'm asking because your tool was suggested at my proposal m:Community Wishlist/Wishes/A way to filter edits by Citation bot, InternetArchiveBot and OAbot from diffs and the built-in Watchlist filter by which one can have only "Human (not bot)" checked hides articles from the Watchlist that were recently edited by a human (unseen) but got edited by a bot afterwards (for example also meaning people can vandalize articles and then request Citation bot to make an edit to the page to hide their edit as explained in phab:T375705). So I'm looking for a way to exclude bot edits from the Watchlist (and diffs) that still allows me to see recent human edits and I wonder if your script can do that. Prototyperspective (talk) 23:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The obvious solution to your problem sounds to me like checking "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" and hiding bots; the script won't help you. I honestly don't understand why anyone would leave that option unchecked. Nardog (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You mean enabling "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" and unchecking "Latest revision" in the Watchlist menu? I didn't see a difference in the watchlist if I don't also uncheck the latter. If so, I don't understand why anyone would do this – it seems like a way for gigantic waste of time and results in a huge list of individual diffs. What I don't understand is why essentially nobody is calling for a simple button to show all unseen changes in one diff. One item per page, one click per item.

Otherwise one has to go to the History page first and then select the oldest seen revision and the latest one to create a diff of all unchecked changes. Maybe other people have just 50 pages on their Watchlist because I really don't understand how anybody else can use the EN Wikipedia Watchlist without such a feature. If you know about something in regards to that please let me know. When leaving "Latest revision" unchecked after having disabled that Watchlist preference again it still shows multiple items on the Watchlist so it seems like one also can't configure these two settings in a way that enables showing one nonlatest revision per article if the latest revision was edited by a bot. If there was a button to view a diff of all unseen changes, then what I'm proposing would subtract the bot changes from that diff. If you or anybody else watching this page knows of a way (or issue/proposal) to hide bot edits or exclude their changes from diffs please let me know. Maybe there is a greater need and call for subtracing bot changes from diffs once there is such a since last seen diff button. To me the default Watchlist is broken to the extent that it'S not usable and the bot-hiding feature is hiding problematic edits at large scale despite of an issue about this created in – if I'm reading this correctly – 2007(!). Prototyperspective (talk) 23:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can click "n changes" or "n since last visit" in the grouping mode ("Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist"). Nardog (talk) 00:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I found the preference through the search because it's not (also) in the Watchlist where it belongs if it changes the watchlist but only in Appearance settings. I enabled it and again unchecked "Latest revision" in Watchlist menu. The n changes button that shows after disabling Latest revision (only 1% of experienced contributors ever get so far by the way with all this implicitness and hidenness) seems to only show the changes of the particular day which makes this useless. However, it's still interesting to me because an alternative may be to change that button to show since last seen so I may create a phabricator issue about that.

I do not see any "n since last visit" button in the Watchlist there, how can I enable / see it? Prototyperspective (talk) 15:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, it looks like "n since last visit" only appears if "n changes" includes both seen and unseen changes. IIRC there have been requests to make these links span more than one day on Phabricator. Nardog (talk) 00:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]