User talk:NarSakSasLee

Please start a topic below under a new section. All concerns receive a response. If it's about theoretical physics then it's perhaps best you invest some significant time into our discussion. I'm very passionate.

Allegations of 'pov-pushing'

What is the 'pov' which you allege that I am pushing on Tell Mama? and Quilliam? Sweet6970 (talk) 12:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@NarSakSasLee: You should check your talk page. And now you are accusing me of vandalism. Disagreement is not vandalism. Sweet6970 (talk) 14:46, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Because you are engaging in vandalism. Mass deletion of sources you disagree with are classed as acts of vandalism. NarSakSasLee (talk) 14:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Declined your AIV complaint

• Quilliam (think tank) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please see my action here, declining your AIV report. I am disturbed by some of your recent edits at Quilliam which suggest you are unable to edit neutrally on this topic. To be included in an article, material must not only be well-sourced, it also must be supported by consensus of editors. My suggestion is to make a proposal at Talk:Quilliam for what you want to do before making any more edits to that article. In any event, edits that mention Pakistan fall under the sanctions of WP:ARBIPA, so I'm leaving you a notice of that below. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:11, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: I think you got the wrong user. I was the one who reported the vandal. Also the article has nothing to do with Pakistan? NarSakSasLee (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you reported the other guy, User:Sweet6970. When I looked at the edits in question, it appeared to me that you were the one at fault, so I warned you instead of taking action against Sweet6970. EdJohnston (talk) 15:18, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Could you have a look again? I am NOT the one who is removing reliably sourced and referenced material. That other user was. NarSakSasLee (talk) 15:19, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Sweet6970 was removing statements that appeared tendentious to me. Criticism may be included but it should reflect the relative importance of the issues as determined from a review of the reliable sources. This kind of analysis usually requires a discussion among editors and it should not appear slanted to an outsider who knows nothing of the matter previously. EdJohnston (talk) 15:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: I think this is ridiculous. The sectioned edits were written under the "criticism" section which were nothing more that a direct quote from the article. How on earth are you NOT supposed to provide a slanted view? Criticism by definition is a view that is slanted. His removal of that criticism section is what makes the article biased. NarSakSasLee (talk) 15:56, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

So far there is nothing at all on the page at Talk:Quilliam (think tank) about the changes you have been making, for example this one. When you call out 'vandalism' in an edit summary you should be aware of making WP:ASPERSIONS, which can lead to boomerang sanctions against you. This whole thing is a content dispute rather than vandalism. EdJohnston (talk) 17:27, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Edits regarding Pakistani people are covered by WP:ARBIPA

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Repeating the Arbcom alert since it's more than a year since the last one, issued by User:Ivanvector in March 2019. If further edits suggest to admins that you are unable to edit neutrally in this domain, blocks or topic bans are possible. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

I have never engaged with User:Ivanvector so I don't know what you mean by I can't edit neutrally. How is adding in sourced content from academic journals constitute not being neutral? Those are peer-reviewed pieces. NarSakSasLee (talk) 15:59, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

I sense that you must know the answers to some of these questions. You appear too sophisticated not to have heard of POV-pushing. My message above includes the diff of Ivanvector's alert which he left for you in March 2019. Do you not see the diff? When someone removes a notice from an admin, as you did, they are assumed to have read it. EdJohnston (talk) 17:32, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Problems reading the talk page of Quilliam?

I always use a laptop and I don’t have any experience of problems accessing Wikipedia on other devices. It occurs to me that you may have trouble reading my latest post on the Q talk page, so I repeat it here:

I am receiving contradictory instructions and I don’t know how to proceed. NarSakSasLee has asked me to split my arguments into headings. Johnuniq has told me not to. I cannot satisfy both of you. NSSL has said ‘I have no dispute with the other sections.’ If I understand NSSL correctly, this means that they are concerned only with the section currently titled ‘Erroneous Reporting on “Muslim rape gangs” ‘, which is my point 7 . Perhaps agreement on that aspect could be reached quickly if NSSL would accept the proposal I made at my point 7(g): I propose that the Quilliam report, and criticism of it, should be referred to in one sentence: ‘The Quilliam Foundation’s report “Group Based Child Sexual Exploitation – Dissecting Grooming Gangs” has been criticised for poor methodology.’ The source would be the article by Cockbain and Tufail. Anything more would give undue weight to this report and the criticism of it. Sweet6970 (talk) 12:34, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I have replied on the relevant talkpage. NarSakSasLee (talk) 06:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I replied to your post of 17 March on the Quilliam talk page on that page. Do you wish me to copy it here? When can I expect an answer? Sweet6970 (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, I have replied to the talk page. My apologies for being a little slow. The coronavirus pandemic is a little worse in my area but I will responding hopefully by the end of today. It is currently 11 am here. NarSakSasLee (talk) 11:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

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Italics

I noticed that you italicized some of the quotes in the WikiIslam article. Is this something that's covered in a Wikipedia style guide? I'd like to learn more. Thanks! Snuish2 (talk) 04:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

It seems the policy has changed since I last read it. There appears to be no need for italics when using quotations. NarSakSasLee (talk) 17:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sources

Please provide sources that say Amere Singh Dhaliwal is an Indian Amritdhari Sikh. It is not found in any of the sources. Consider this a warning, if you continue to edit without sources, you may be blocked.

Can you stop being so disruptive? The source clearly mentions he is a Sikh. Amritdhari refers to a baptised Sikh i.e. a person who wears a turban. You also forgot to sign your message and I'd appreciate it if you didn't issue threats since you're not an admin yourself. NarSakSasLee (talk) 15:49, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

That is your interpretation, find a source that says that. The BBC source is simply a duplication, which suggests you did not read what given there already. The source only says most of them are British Pakistanis, it did not say the rest of them are. Please give only what the sources say, and not your interpretation. The warning is standard, does not need to be given by any admin. I'd be happy to provide another one. Hzh (talk) 15:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty obvious he's Amritdhari given that he's wearing his turban in the actual mugshot. I will agree to remove the Amritdhari part since it obviously confused you but it's notable that he is a Sikh so that will stay in. NarSakSasLee (talk) 16:03, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I have seen sources that he was a convert to Sikhism, so some people might be happier with the term Sikh convert, but I'd rather that it not be used at all, Hzh (talk) 16:24, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

We should just refer to what they are, and not engage in speculation as some sources have done (they don't state what he was prior to his conversion - they could mean he grew up Sikh but was formally only later baptised as a Amritdhari Sikh which Sikhs regard as conversion or he could have been atheist, Hindu, etc; mentioning he was a convert to Sikhism leaves the implication open that he might have also been Muslim given the majority of the gang were Pakistani Muslim; he could have been, but we cannot speculate that). We could write he was a convert from an unknown religion/irreligion, but it's much easier to state that the leader of the gang was an Indian Sikh and the rest of the gang (bar another) was Pakistani Muslim. If we're not going to name who is who then we might as well just term them all British Asians. Given that this is a sensitive issue all speculative stuff should be left out. NarSakSasLee (talk) 19:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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A normal talk page discussion generally shouldn't be closed. And definitely not by one of its involved participants (you). Please don't do that again. Thanks. El_C 05:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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