User talk:Nabu

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Hi Nabu. I've edited a couple of your articles (CONICET, Arturo Frondizi) mostly because of formatting; the first opening paragraphs of an article shouldn't have a title. You can join the Argentine Notice Board to share ideas and information with other wikipedians working in articles related to Argentina.

I also wanted to remind you that we cannot put copyrighted material on the Wikipedia, and that includes articles, or translation of articles.

your very extensive Arturo Frondizi's article seas to be also a little biased, what means there a lot about what his supporters say, and little about what his retractors think.

I'm sure you will soon be able to find the difficult balance that it means being objective. Once again, your contributions are very welcome, and hope you help expand the Wikipedia. Good wiking, Mariano 08:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Hi, I've checked you edited the articles I've been working, most notably CONICET and Arturo Frondizi. Many thanks for spending some time in reviewing these articles, it proved to be a necessary help as a I'm an inexperienced wikipedian. You mention that the article about Arturo Frondizi is biased since it focus various times on what his supporters say. Well, the article is focus to discuss the successes and the failures of Frondizi's administration. Due to a essay limitation (which is discussed in the article) the ammount of references is limited. I believe that the article is as impartial as possible, taking into account it's format previously mentioned. Of course I plan to expand it in the future to contain more sections (such as politics, etc) as well as more references. I would appreciate if you could quote which fragments you consider biased so I could rewrite them. The phrase to which apparently you make reference "His supporters claim that his presidency allowed Argentina to survive 30 more years of military and Peronista rule without a total economic collapse.", present in the introduction of the article, was previusly there (I did not write it), and I agree with you, that it's a clearly biased statement, so I removed it. Oh, and finally, there is no copyright material in the article, the essay is based on previous work by myself. If you think there is, please tell me. Thanks again, --Nabu 23:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I brought your answer here, so we can have a coherent discussion where we can see what was said, and in which order. (That's the way I do it, not necessary a standard).

I'm glad to hear you are the legitimate author of the article! Being a new user I wasn't sure you understand all the problems we have here regarding copyrights.

First I have to recognize I didn't read the hole article. What I read of article seamed good, though it doesn't look like any other article I know in the encyclopedia. Again, that's not (necessarily) a bad thing! Mainly, I would join and squeeze the Introductions with the conclusions of each subsection, and leave it as an introduction without sub-subtitle (the other sub-subtitles are OK)

But take it this only as an advice! I suggest you take a look at other articles in the Wikipedia, specially well known politicians, and try to take the best of their formats and ways.

About biased text, there are thing that can be more nicely writen.

"He attempted to lift a ban on Peronist parties and met with Che Guevara. This caused the military to withdraw its support and he was forced from office."

I would rephrase this as :

"He showed a "progressive?" profile that can be deduced form some of his actions, such as being in favour of the elimination of the ban on Peronist parties, and also met with Che Guevara. He won this way the apathy of the military who would then withdraw its support and forced him from office." (please don't use exactly this, it stinks as it is)

If you see what I mean: Was it because of this that he was withdrawn? Sure it help it happening, but can't say it was because he met with Guevara.

Sorry if I over extended. Hope to see lost of your edits around!! -Mariano 05:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PS:Forgot to mention: I'm going for a week, come back next wednesday.