User talk:NJSD Captain

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September 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, the username you have chosen (NJSD Captain) seems to imply that you are editing on behalf of a group, company or website.

There are two issues with this:

It is possible that you have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, you must exercise great caution when editing on topics related to your organization or adding links to its website.
Your account cannot represent a group of people. You may wish to create a new account with a username that represents only you. Alternatively, you may consider changing your username to avoid giving the impression that your personal account is being used for promotional purposes.

Regardless of whether you change your name or create a new account, you are not exempted from the guidelines concerning editing where you have a conflict of interest. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. The article in question is New Jersey Detective Agency. Thank you. Bazj (talk) 18:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, NJSD Captain. You have new messages at Gurt Posh's talk page.
Message added 07:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Gurt Posh (talk) 07:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames that give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website, I have blocked this account; please take a moment to create a new account with a username that represents only you. You should also read our conflict of interest guideline. If your username doesn't represent a group, organization or website, you may appeal this username block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} below this notice. Thank you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

NJSD Captain (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am requesting immediate action to unblock my account: NJSD Captain. This account does not and cannot represent anyone but me. The account name represents my officcial capacity and I certify that I am authorized to use the title and reference. I also certify that I am using this account solely to add general information on a few agencies concerned with law enforcement in the State of New Jersey for the benefit of Wikipedia clients. I am willing to correspond via official email address if further questions or concerns arise. Thank you.

Decline reason:

"NJSD" quite clearly stands for "New Jersey State Detectives", which therefor appears to be an organization. As such, it violates our username policy. The edits you are making, and the article you created emphasize this linkage, and also show strong conflict of interest and WP:PROMO. Please choose a username that cannot represent or be be mistaken for an organization, and ensure you do not break WP:COI as you move forward. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:12, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

NJSD Captain (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Thank you for your review and explanation. Please allow me one more attempt to try to convince you to unblock this account. The assumption that I am connected with the New Jersey State Detectives is correct. Please note that I possess original and historic knowledge that is unique concerning this Agency. I do not receive any compensation or other emolument from my work bringing this information to the viewers here. There is no direct connection to me that is apparent to anyone but the head of the Agency who I apprised of the work I have done and hopefully will continue. The Agency which I describe herein is a non-profit and there is and will be no attempt by either the Agency or myself to promote for any type of proceeds or funding. My sole purpose is to bring interesting and relevant information concerning this historic Agency to light. I admit that I am proud of my affiliation with this Agency, but I do not see that I have done anything that overtly violates your policy out of hand by creating this account using these letters. I simply wanted to have an account that was factually accurate while being largely obscure, easy to remember and inviolate of your policy. I do not wish to take up any more of your administrators valuable time on this matter so this will be my last appeal to you; please consider this request for me. And thank you once again for all of the time your administrators have invested in engaging with me on this matter. Sincerely, (and hopefully) NJSD Captain.NJSD Captain (talk) 17:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

I have unblocked you because your username, while it associates you with an organization, does conceivably represent one person by describing you as a captain of NJSD. This is an admittedly a gray area; we have had cases in the past where a username discloses a conflict of interest in good faith but the username is clearly in use by one person, and the editor was allowed to keep the name. In your case, since your username can also be interpreted as a role account (because it includes only your organization and your title, nothing personally you), I recommend you change it to avoid future concerns and blocks by other administrators. I am unblocking you on the assumption that you will go to WP:CHU/Simple and make such a request.
Be advised that your "original and history knowledge that is unique" is irrelevant. You can't write about any of that knowledge on Wikipedia without being able to reference sources that are publicly available, verifiable, and reliable. Please also read and understand Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Thank you. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your decision to unblock this account. I assure all involved that I will abide by the canons of Wikipedia with regard to substance and will continue to take paramount care to avoid any COI in any manner, by fact or inflection. Please be assured that by my reference to 'original and historic knowledge' in my previous request to unblock this account with regard to the article authored under it, that information (however brief) was sourced. All additional information added to the article in the future will be footnoted and sourced as well. I appreciate all the time expended in seeing me through this learning period. NJSD Captain (talk) 07:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your understanding. Now to avoid further problems, please go to WP:CHU/Simple if you have not already done so, and ask to have your account renamed. You won't lose any contribution history. All your edits will be associated with your new name. I suggest something like "Captain Joe" (if your name is Joe, or substitute a nickname), which would be unmistakably a personal name rather than a role account. ~Amatulić (talk) 13:44, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very well, although I am somewhat perplexed with the statement "we have had cases in the past where a username discloses a conflict of interest in good faith but the username is clearly in use by one person, and the editor was allowed to keep the name (my italics) in your previous post. Obviously, I am attached to my current nom de plume and I am desirous of retaining it. If there is no way that an exception can be made on my behalf for my current account name, as was made in the example you provided, would there be any conflict using NJSDCapt.111 (as it clearly defines one person)? Please see that I am trying to abide by acceptable Wikipedia standards with without trying to set a new precedent and without further disruption. Thank you again for your time, and your patience, which I fear is being singularly tested. NJSD Captain (talk) 05:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The case I recall (and I can't remember the exact username) was someone who worked for a pharmaceutical company and called himself "Pfizer Joseph" where the company name "Pfizer" was followed by something that was clearly a personal name. Your case is somewhat different. It could be considered what we call a "role account" because it describes a role "Captain at NJSD" rather than a person. How many captains are there at NJSD? Is it a position of authority, or more of a worker-level position?

If "Pfizer Joseph" had called himself "Pfizer PR Manager", that would also be a role account and blockable. Similarly "NJSD Chief" would be blockable, assuming only one person can occupy it; it's an account representing a role, not a person.

"Pfizer worker-bee" would be more of a gray area, but would probably pass. The name is a company name, but it clearly doesn't imply a unique position of authority. It wouldn't be much different than "Dallas Cowboys fan" — the name includes an organization name but it clearly isn't representative of that organization.

I'm not familiar with what the rank "Captain" implies; it may be similar to the two examples above, although it may be interpreted as a role account.

For now, because you are attached to this nom de plume, I will defer to your judgment. I unblocked you to give you the opportunity to change it. I won't re-block you if you decide to keep it as is. Just be aware that it may cause you to run into problems. If you get blocked again due to your name, please consider changing it. Hopefully the blocking admin will see this conversation on your talk page. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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