User talk:Ms. Ann MMO

May 2022

Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Acroterion (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you may be blocked from editing. Acroterion (talk) 18:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Your edits aren't "grammar corrections." Use the talkpage to provide referenced suggestions for article improvement. Acroterion (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for engaging with my edits! that's very exciting for me. Let me explain how this is a grammar edit, first and foremost, as well as an increase in neutrality.

1. "Gang stalking," is a verb. A verb cannot be defined as a "set of beliefs."

2. If there is a lack of investigation or research on something, stating that should not require an immediate cite to specific research - since there is no research and no investigation has been made. Ms. Ann MMO (talk) 19:44, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia expects all edits to be sourced, and yes, you need an immediate reference to reliable academic or journalistic sources, not just your own opinion.And as I noted on my talkpage,"stalking" can have a number of grammatical forms, including that of a noun, so please stop using =edit summaries that make changes to content into asserted grammatical changes, which are not content alterations. And please do not confuse dictionaries (which Wikipedia is not) with encyclopedias. Acroterion (talk) 20:10, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

When using "gang stalking," as a noun: it is still incorrect grammar to phrase it this way:

"gang stalking is a set of beliefs."

Gang stalking as a noun would be an event. An event that someone either *believes* is taking place ***due to*** their beliefs, or because that event is happening in physical space and that even is observable to many people. The grammar is incorrect, either way. Would you not agree? Ms. Ann MMO (talk) 01:05, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

event*

of course, I included my own typo just to be interesting.

But I am fascinated by this subject of gang stalking because it would necessarily be unprovable. I love these kinds of subjects. There has been no research into the validity of the claims - only research into the online posts by THOUSANDS of supposed victims. Difficult to include sources that do not exist. There should be a way to state -- although there is no research to prove what sort of even this is - the result of group-delusion or an ongoing event of actual abuse - so that Wikipedia maintains a neutral stance on what this phenomenon actually is. Ms. Ann MMO (talk) 01:11, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Apparently, I absolutely refuse to spell "event" correctly.

Do let me know how you would address these conundrums! Ms. Ann MMO (talk) 01:12, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Please resolve this. Thanks:

"Disagreements on Wikipedia are normal; editors will frequently disagree with each other, particularly on content decisions. Editors are expected to engage in good faith to resolve their disputes, and must not personalise disputes. Many disputes can be resolved without external input, through gradual editing, discussion, and attempts to understand the legitimate objections of others."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution Ms. Ann MMO (talk) 19:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

The first step, as I have advised you, is to use the article talkpage as intended and required, to present reliable policy-compliant sources and suggested content supported by those sources for review by other editors. Until you have taken those basic steps, you have no dispute, just some poorly-explained and misleadingly-summarized changes. The article talkpage is much more visible to other editors than the talkpages of individual editors. Wikipedia works by consensus, the burden is on the editor proposing the change to make a policy-compliant case on the article talkpage for changes.

Did you read the policy links I provided?

Separately, words ending with -ing are technically gerunds, which have characteristics of both nouns and verbs, and can have independent existence as either. In any case, the discussion should center on the topic, not tangential grammatical minutiae. Acroterion (talk) 02:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah. Yes I will use the talk page next time. That's very helpful, thank you.

No beans. A gerund is a verb-form which functions as a noun.

Here's a gerund:

"alicia is gang stalking her friend penelope."

not

"alicia is gang stalking is a set of beliefs."

We can't add a source for a grammar correction. Grammar creates meaning. It's important.

No intention of adding my own bias to the subject, by any means! I have no idea if this exists.

This page is already heavily biased towards a specific ideology. Most pages whose subject is inherently controversial start out with something like, "An alleged event," "A group that believes ..." or similar. For example, refer to the page on parapsychology. You see, this is what is so great about Wikipedia - it doesn't just say, "Parapsychology is an imaginary field of study that everyone knows is bs." Wikipedia tells readers, immediately, that it is an "alleged" field of study - so that readers are engaged in critical thinking. Much more interesting, much less censorship. I'd like to give the gang stalking page the same neutral stance but I see now that the talk page would have been a good place to start.

Thanks for speaking with me! Much appreciated. Ms. Ann MMO (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Policies

Please read the reliable sourcing policy, the verifiability policy, the no original research policy. the neutral point of views policy, and the reliable sourcing standards for medical topics Acroterion (talk) 20:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Greetings from a teahouse stalker

I looked at the article, which is less than a year old and not well constructed. I feel that gang stalking is best described as a "cultural phenomenon" of the Internet Age. Some people believe they are being stalked, and form groups of like-minded people. They don't seek relief through therapy, but rather through solidarity with others like themselves.

The article appears to be a compendium of indiscriminate and undigested material on the topic. Some of the external resources at the end of the article are self-published or otherwise uncritical. There appears to have been little academic research on gang stalking, which is problematical. At this point, the phenomenon is poorly defined and poorly understood.

My opinion is that the article will need a complete restructuring and rewrite, using the best-available sources, as Wikipedia is based on reliable sources alone, but I'm just one editor.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for replying! I absolutely agree. The current article is a conglomerate of somewhat reactionary non-information.

Is there a way to work together to edit these kinds of pages en mass? Possibly, collaborating with people who have a working knowledge of linguistics and/or English grammar? And those capable of a more neutral standpoint?

I have no idea if this is a real phenomenon but I feel pretty strongly that pages like this are much more interesting and accurate when they remain neutral.

Thanks again. Refreshing.

--Ann MMO Ms. Ann MMO (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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