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Welcome from the Opera Project

Hi. Delighted to see you are posting about opera. We would be pleased if you like to sign on to the project. Let me know if I can help in any way. Best wishes. Kleinzach 12:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, we sign articles with four tildes like this ~ ~ ~ ~ but without the spaces. That will give you a time stamp as well. - Kleinzach 12:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I have joined Wikipedia's Opera Project. I have done my best with Handel's Orlando, but not actually having seen the opera puts me at a disadvantage! Some tightening up of the plot is needed (all online refs were rather vague) and a few more comments about the music itself and the work's history. If someone could help me on this, it would be great. Thanks.Moreschi 16:19, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, welcome! I'm an administrator here, and also interested in music topics, so if you have any questions please feel free to ask me. In terms of some of the Handel oratorios/operas, a lot of them don't have that much info online, or elsewhere for that matter. I'll see what I can do with Orlando. Cheers, Mak (talk) 04:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello - Welcome and please give us some info on your background for the opera pages. Vivaverdi 04:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Welcome indeed. Please let us have some of your background. You can check me out too... Vivaverdi 04:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Re your query. I only merant that it would be nice to have a bit more details about you and your interests in opera, as several of us have posted.

But I think you've covered it.

Vivaverdi 21:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Pro Milone

Hi, just wanted to say thanks for your contributions to the Pro Milone article. Much appreciated. I'd say it's pretty much finished now, it gives a very decent level of detail, just needs a few sources cited and a link to a translation of the text (Yonge?). Good to see someone else who enjoys and is knowledgeable about both Classics and Classical music. Most of your edits on Mozart's Requiem I was planning to have a go at, but wasn't a registered user at the time and had better things to do. Keep up the good work!

Davers 09:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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The Fairy-Queen

Thanks for your great edits! The plot summary looks great, and I like the way you included the arias. I hope to find more info on history/context some time. Mak (talk) 14:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, it's looking good. I think it'd be fine to try it for GA again. BTW, you should, like, fer shure, like totally get Grove (I have the online version through my old school - they haven't taken me off the list yet!). It's amazing. And finally, not all the vandalism is from American teenagers. I come across plenty from English/British/Australian teenagers too. :0 Mak (talk) 19:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Pro Milone

This now has an image (a bust of Cicero from the main Cicero page) and in my mind is now a very good and fine article. GA now, perhaps? Moreschi 12:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

• I had not actually reviewed it before (when I was requesting an image be added). After reviewing it I have determined that it is still not GA quality, and therefore have failed it. If you want to try to fix it up, I left my reasoning on the talk page of the article. Regardless of the actual text of the article, the image does make it look a lot better.--SomeStranger^(t|c) 12:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Copy editing for Meladina?

I have been doing a lot of copy editing for Meladina but I am becoming very busy and will be away from my computer a lot of the next couple of months. I don't know if you might have some time available to help him? (The editing is fairly simple - he usually gets the def./indef. articles wrong etc.) Best wishes. - Kleinzach 21:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Much appreciated. I will leave a note for Meladina. - Kleinzach 14:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The Castrato template

Before going for about 10 days off, here is the answer to Moreschi's request. Please edit as you wish:

new: if put into the brackets: {{ }} Castrato

Template:Castrato

(meladina 22:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

A brickbat for you :)

List of important operas

Thanks for your work on the list. Mak (talk) 17:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Or perhaps my attempts at humor are not coming off :) Mak (talk) 15:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

It's times like this that I hate text-based communication :-( . Emoticons just don't quite convey they same range of ...er... communication. :) :p :| Cheers, Mak (talk) 16:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Contemporary trends in Opera

I wasn't going to comment, because Kleinzach obviously dislikes me for some reason and doesn't want to hear anything I have to say. Anything I argue will only stiffen his resolve to get rid of it. A couple of interesting points, though: First, I don't care about rock opera at all. I am a light opera fan -- I like The Desert Song and that sort of sentimental stuff, and G&S. I'm not into rock at all!! But, it is absolutely clear to me that these things (I listed a half dozen of them in the last debate) are operas. The ones I listed are entirely sung, they have recitative, they tell a dramatic story through song and instrumental music, they have been produced onstage successfully (many of them for hundreds of performances and scores of productions), and the only thing that separates them from Fidelio is that they use vernacular forms music (but so does the Beggar's Opera!) and they are sung and played with electronic enhancement (but so is every single opera studio recording, and now many opera houses use some form of micropone enhancement). Second, I think that it is a contemporaty trend (that's what the section is about), for musicals of all kinds, whether Lloyd-Webber or Bernstein or Soundheim or The Who, to be coming back TOWARDS opera. I think K. is wrong about Porgy and Candide, btw. They were both conceived of as Broadway shows and later became standard opera rep. But in any case, they are crossover works that are often done in either a West End or Broadway or regional musical format OR, alternatively, in an opera format. And as William Tell said, there are many other examples of musicals that have been written in a more operatic format and have been (or could be) played in opera houses. Structurally, it would be hard to distinguish them from, say, Carmen. So, even though they cannot claim to be a trend in direct succession to Wagner, Berg and Britten, I think that they are a MERGING or a vernacular performance art form, the musical, BACK into opera, sort of going the long way around. And so, I think, they are much like the Beggar's Opera, or other older folk operas or operas that were influenced by vernacular forms.

As to the audience thing, it is obvious that there is a crisis in opera connected to the graying of the audience. The average Met audience member is 60, according to the Met. So, the question of how to bring new generations to opera is a very serious one.

Lastly, I missed the consideration of The Mikado to be added to the short list, and I guess it's over now, but I really think it is obviously one of the most "important operas" in the world. Here's why. Even though the great opera houses only play it occasionally as a confection on a heavier schedule, it is played over and over by dozens and dozens (or hundreds) of small opera companies and companies that are dedicated to G&S and light opera. And among those companies, it is played more than any other. You can probably see The Mikado every day of the year somewhere, in English, German, Yiddish, Japanese, Swedish, etc. It has been translated into as many languages as has The Marriage of Figaro. Since its original run in 1885, it may be the most frequently played opera in the world.

I hope this all makes some sense, as I'm dashing it off at work. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 19:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Fairy-Queen

An excellent article; well done! Have another glass of Cornas! -- Hoary 05:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me, and deleting the list of actors makes sense. I'm not sure if I understand references vs. bibliography. Did you not use those as sources? If you did, you might want to just put them all under references. If not I suppose bibliography makes sense. The arts section of the GA nominations list seems to go really slowly. I've nominated a couple other articles I wrote (Concerto delle donne and Trobairitz) but it will probably be a month before they're looked at. I hope the reviewer is smart and passes The Fairy-Queen :-) Cheers, Mak (talk) 17:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, it would be great if you reviewed those articles, since even if you don't pass them you'll probably have more useful criticisms than other reviewers since you know about music. And really I just actually want them to actually be great articles, not necessarily just on a list. Cheers, Mak (talk) 18:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on concerto, I'll see what I can do, I'm still working through a big book about them, taking notes which I haven't incorporated yet. Bummer about the Fairy-Queen. I have this problem that when I'm taking all the information from one source (esp. Grove) and none of it seems particularly POV or far-out there, I don't put inline citations. I'll see if I can throw in some of the inlines from Grove, though. Mak (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

A bummer, huh. What's not to like about The Fairy-Queen? -- Hoary 05:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

New entries/Copy-editing for Meladina

• Le Diable amoureux (opera)
• Ferdinand Kauer
• Vladimir Shcherbachev
• Karl von Marinelli

Please could you have a look? Thanks. (meladina 17:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC))

All done. Only one thing puzzled me: the phrase "joined as leader and conductor"; does "leader" refer to head of the organisation or leader of the orchestra? Cheers, Moreschi 11:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. The leader of the orchestra seems to be correct. Here is one more entry:

Alexander Vustin

Yours, (meladina 14:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. The ambiguity over "leader and conductor" has also been corrected (it only came up twice, and I think that you did one anyway!). Cheers, Moreschi 21:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Here are some more:

• Vassily Sinaisky
• Catterino Cavos
• Cavos
• Stepan Davydov(meladina 15:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC))

All done. If there's anything wrong with any of what I did, then let me know, but I think it all should be o.k. Best, Moreschi 20:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

As a gratitude for your help, please accept this little badge: (meladina 08:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC))

Thank you very much for the badge - I feel both extremely honoured and a little undeserving. However, currently I'm having image trouble and cannot actually see it! I'm trying to get the problem fixed. Thank you again. Yours, Moreschi 10:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

New article: Veniamin Fleishman (meladina 00:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC))

Done; just one minor thing. In the "Quotations" section, occasionally I came across some slightly wonky grammar and corrected it (semicolon for comma, etc), but is that alright? Presumably I was editing a translation from the Russian, not the original text. Best, Moreschi 10:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you solve your problem with the images on your screen? If not it is probably that you have not enough memory in your computer. Or maybe your program (Internet explorer) blocks the images for some security purposes. In this case you have to visit in the menue of the the "Internet explorer": Tools / Internet options / Multimetia, do enable all your images and pictures stuff clicking all the small windows, and then press OK. Good luck!

Here is a new article: Rothschild's Violin (meladina 17:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. No problems encountered with that one (plenty to copy-edit, though!). Cheers, Moreschi 18:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

My image problems should be sorted out some time next week, by the way. Then I can thank you properly. Moreschi 18:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• Dubrovsky new
• Dubrovsky (opera) new
• Eduard Nápravník extended (meladina 11:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

All done. One or two minor things; possibly the plot for the Pushkin novel should be fully expanded, and then there was something that absolutely amazed me; the link for for Modest Tchaikovsky redirects to his brother, Pyotr! He appears to have been fairly prolific as a librettist and is certainly notable enough, so perhaps you might like to create a separate article for him. Cheers, Moreschi 12:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for this.

• Modest Ilyich Tchaikovsky a new article created following your recomendation. (meladina 19:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. No problems there. Moreschi 20:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

1. Dubrovsky (opera) a bit expanded today (meladina 09:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC))
2. Leonid Sobinov new (meladina 09:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC))
3. Monna Vanna (opera) stub (meladina 09:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

All done (I think so, anyway). Just one minor thing: in Monna Vanna it said that Rachmaninov completed the first act "in a vocal score", before the project foundered. I don't quite understand this; my best guess is that it means that he only wrote out just the vocal parts of Act 1, without any orchestration, but is this correct? Best, Moreschi 12:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Vocal score just added (meladina 12:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. I've wikilinked the phrase in the Rachmaninov stub to this article, so that's that sorted out. Moreschi 12:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

In a Vocal score I only changed your the first performance to a performance, because it can be second, third or 100th performance that also need a proper rehearsal. (meladina 13:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

Whoops! Sorry, stupid mistake, of course you're right. It's definitely a good idea if you check what I copy-edit, as while correcting grammar I may occasionally alter the sense of the sentence to something wrong, being a non-specialist in Russian opera (though the more articles of yours I go over, the more I learn!). Cheers, Moreschi 15:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Boris Sobinov new article (meladina 18:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. One minor thing: the last phrase of the second quotation; "Klin is nevertheless not just 101st kilometre" left me rather confused. Moreschi 15:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

this probably has to be explained (in a footnote). The town Klin is situated 85 km from Moscow. The people released from a prison in Russia did not allowed to live closer than 100 km from Mosccow or any big city. So he could only live in Klin or visit family house in Moscow or cottage in Peredelkino sectretly from the authotities, militia and KGB. (meladina 16:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC))

I 've just added note: Klin is quite a large town located 85 km to the northwest of Moscow. The people released from prisons usually did not allow living closer than 100 km away from Moscow or any large cities. (Is it clearer now?) (meladina 17:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC))

No problem. It's now perfectly comprehensible. Moreschi 20:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

However your changed: "The people released from prisons were usually not allowed to live farther than 100 km away from Moscow or any other large cities." I do not understand this. The meaning is: if you a former prisoner you have to live 100 km away from Moscov or farther, but not nearer. Your correction of my "closer" to "farther", as I think, changed the meaning to the opposite, or am I wrong? (meladina 21:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC))

My intended meaning was that if you are a former prisoner you cannot live more than 100 km away from Moscow, and I think that this is the meaning conveyed. If "closer" is the word used, then then that prohibits the former prisoners from coming more than 100 km distance towards Moscow (they can't come any closer). If "farther" is used, then they can't go any more than 100 km away from Moscow, and no further.

We can get someone else to check this if you like, but I'm fairly certain that the correct meaning is being conveyed. Moreschi 15:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Keep up the good work (maybe I should give you a brick, and not a brickbat)!

Sorry for this long discussion, but here is my concern.

The right meaning is: if you are a former prisoner you have to live more than 100 km away from Moscow, and not allowed to come nearer than this. So the "further" has to be replaced with "closer".

Did you know that the two of my articles that you corrected appeared at the first page in DYK ("did you know" section)? (Cavos and Veniamin Fleishman)

Here is my new article Zhenitba. (meladina 16:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC))

My apologies, of course you're right then. I misinterpreted the phrse as meaning it's opposite (though in fact, it seems like funny logic from the KGB. I'd have thought that they would have wished to keep these people close to cities, so that they could better keep an eye on them. What was the rationale behind that rule?). Anyway, it's nice to know about the DYKs - thanks for telling me. Best wishes, and apologies from Moreschi 16:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Article done (I hope and pray!). Moreschi 17:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, the film Farinelli Il Castrato, a biopic of the legendary singer, is on BBC4 tonight at 10. It's meant to have some amazing Baroque - opera singing sequences (they blended Derek Lee Ragin's voice with that of a female soprano). Just thought that you might be interested. Moreschi 17:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the editing and for the information. I've been out and missed the film. Pity. Here two short articles:

• Vasily Bessel new by (meladina 08:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC))
• V. Bessel and Co. new by (meladina 08:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. No problems there. Moreschi 09:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Salammbô (Mussorgsky) new by me (meladina 10:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. No problems there. Moreschi 11:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• The Oprichnik (opera) new by me (meladina 00:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC))
• Undina (Tchaikovsky) by me (Meladina 08:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC))
• Look at our Boris Sobinov on DYK (meladina 08:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

Both done (no problems encountered). It was certainly satisfying to see the Sobinov on the main page (our route to Wikiimmortality, perhaps?). Cheers, Moreschi 09:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

New: Voyevoda (opera) (meladina 14:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. I had to dewikilink the word "Potpourri", I'm afraid, as the link went to some article about plants. Best, Moreschi 18:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Potpourri (music) new by me (meladina 22:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. No problems there. I've provided a link to this article at the top of the plant entry, so that everyone can find it. Best, Moreschi 09:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The place is a total graveyard and Ghost Town, and I don't really care two hoots, but I've created a shortcut to the Composer's Project. Here it is: WP:WPCOMP. Cheers, Moreschi 10:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Il Pigmalione (Donizetti) stub by me (meladina 21:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. No problems encountered. Moreschi 13:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Pietro il Grande zar di tutte le Russie ossia Il Falegname di Livonia new (meladina 10:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC))

Zoraida di Granata (Donizetti) expanded by me (meladina 19:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC))

Both done. I saw my badge for the first time today and it is beautiful. Thank you. Moreschi 13:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• La Zingara (The Gypsy)
• La Zingara (Donizetti) new by me (meladina 09:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC))
• Vladislav Shoot new (meladina 23:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC))

All done with no difficulties. Moreschi 18:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Here is my 101st wiki article and the last for this summer: Andrei Volkonsky July 20, 2006 In 20 minutes I am leaving for Majorca. Bye bye, and best regards. (meladina 16:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC))

Done. Enjoy Majorca! Moreschi 11:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• Cherevichki new by me (meladina 10:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC))
• Vakula the Smith new by me (meladina 10:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC))
• Alexander Dodonov by me (meladina 13:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC))

Welcome back! Nice to hear from you again. All articles copy-edited with no problems in particular. BTW, I ran you through the edit counter the other day, and found that you have 5450 edits in total, 3502 of which have been on the articles themselves. Scary thoughts... Best, Moreschi 16:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• The Enchantress by (meladina 09:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC))

Hi, some parts (in recordings section) need to be translated from French. All the best (meladina 09:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC))

Done. The French has been translated; I think to a reasonably satisfactory level. However, I'm going away on holiday soon, from the 6th of August to the 27th, which means complete wikibreak!!! I'm afraid that we're going to have to find another copy-editor for you for that period of time. Do you want me to start having a look to find others who will take up the slack? Best, Moreschi 11:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for this and do not worry about editing. I am also off until the end of August. Have a nice holidays. (meladina 12:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC))

Subpages

You make subpages exactly the same way you make archives. I try to give mine a name that will make sense for a bunch of things, so mine are at User:Makemi/Workspace and User:Makemi/Workspace2, but a lot of people call them sandboxes, so you could create yours at User:Moreschi/Sandbox if you feel like it. Cheers, Mak (talk) 15:29, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Heh :-) No problem. Don't edit Fairy-Queen for the next hour-ish, please, I'm going to work on some inlines, and an edit-conflict during that would be a real pain. Mak (talk) 19:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've done a bit, couple revisions of text, nothing major. Airs/songs/arias should be in quotes rather than italics (I always get confused with that, I've double checked). If there's anything specific you can think of that needs to be sourced give me a holler. Very nice job :-) Mak (talk) 20:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I don't know if we had an edit conflict or what, but please check the talk page of Fairy-Queen. Cheers, Mak (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi Moreschi -- looks like I haven't said hello to you yet, so it's high time I did. I do a lot of writing on early music (as well as other areas within the wide realm of "classical music") -- I see you do quite a lot of good work in opera: thank you for that! We need more good editors in this area, and I haven't done a whole a lot myself. (Oh, and thanks for doing Henze, one of my favorite 20th century composers!) Cheers, and happy editing, Antandrus (talk) 17:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Erwartung! I love that piece. Funny, I thought I had a score, but don't see it now. Coincidentally I started the Bluebeard's Castle article, now more than two years ago. -- I may indeed be able to help out with the history of opera project eventually ... first I have to finish up a few things in the 15th and 16th centuries. Cheers!  :-) Antandrus (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Peer review

Hey Moreschi. It looks like GA is moving as slowly as usual :P In the meanwhile, I was wondering if you would comment on the peer review of Concerto delle donne. I've added a bit to it, and am still trying to work out some structure issues. The page for comments is at Wikipedia:Peer review/Concerto delle donne/archive1. Thanks a lot, Mak (talk) 18:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Moreschi. Thanks for your edits on Concerto delle donne. BTW, would I be right in guessing you're a countertenor? Mak (talk) 20:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Soprano. I tend to have a lot of countertenor friends though. Mak (talk) 21:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Bach: Cantata No. 82; Ich habe genug - That's one of my favorites too. Makes my heart ache, it's so good. Mak (talk) 01:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for dealing w/ Fujiwara no Teika

Thanks for removing the hold on Fujiwara no Teika. I left some suggestions and put it on hold last week, and then promptly went out of town for 5 days, preventing me from checking up on it until today. I felt like a hold was justified because it appeared from the edit history that the author was currently working on it regularly, meaning it was possible it could have been fixed up in a day or two. But they seem to be ignoring it for the moment, so no progress was made. Thanks for the cleanup! Phidauex 14:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

Hey, welcome back, I hope you had a fun time. Check it out. Mak (talk) 19:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Again, welcome back, and I hope you enjoyed the hugely deserved Cornas (or Gigondas). Today's minor diversion from the purely musical. Are you in the "art world"? Then take the "half a brain" test! -- Hoary 21:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Opera#Russian opera/Meladina Round Two

Hello and thanks for the invitation to the Opera article. I made my additions without taking anything away. Please have a look. (meladina 11:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC))

Done. Thanks very much for contributing; it improves things enormously. Best, Moreschi 15:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Here is the new article. The synopsis needs to be polished by proper-English-speaking-specialist like you:

• Kashchey the Immortal (opera) (meladina 17:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC))
• Mikhail Bocharov (singer) (meladina 08:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC))

Both done. BTW, in the Rimsky-Korsakov I pointed out that the same fairy tale (almost) was used for the Stravinsky ballet, the Firebird. Best, Moreschi 19:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• Savva Mamontov (meladina 00:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
• Private Opera (meladina 00:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC))

• Nadezhda Zabela-Vrubel (meladina 14:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
• Natalia Iretskaya (meladina 08:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC))

All done. My apologies for not getting to these earlier. Moreschi 10:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much! (meladina 17:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC))

Composers

Aye, glad to help. The POV problem in selection of composers is the difficult one - MusikFabrik's really being over-eager about the rest of it, i think. Sure, the descriptions might be a little overblown, but they aren't exactly uncitable on the whole, just uncited. His massive complaining and removing of material probably isn't helpful, since he seems to think things can be done all at once and instantly, and that mucking about with phrasings of things on the list now is important when who knows if the composers will even make the final NPOV-decided cut? Vanished user ^talk 16:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Ugh. That list of major opera composers thing is getting really ugly, isn't it? Vanished user ^talk 03:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. As Esperanzians we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. This is where the Barnstar Brigade comes in. The object of this program is to seek out the people which deserve a Barnstar, and help them feel appreciated. With your help, we can recognize more dedicated editors! What's New? September elections are upon us! Anyone wishing to be a part of the Advisory Council may list themselves as a candidate from 18 September until 24 September, with the voting taking place from 25 September to 30 September. Those who wish to help with the election staff should also list themselves! Appreciation Week, a program currently in development, now has its own subpage! Share your good ideas on how to make it awesome there! The Esperanza front page has been redesigned! Many thanks to all who worked hard on it. Many thanks to MiszaBot, courtesy of Misza13, for delivering the newsletter.

The last AC meeting (full log) The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived. Since the program in development Appretiaion week is getting lots of good ideas, it now has its own subpage. The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself! The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it! TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly! Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, Freakofnurture, and Titoxd 04:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Although having the newsletter appear on everyone's userpage is desired, this may not be ideal for everyone. If, in the future, you wish to receive a link to the newsletter, rather than the newsletter itself, you may add yourself to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter/Opt Out List.

Arbitration

I have asked for the Jean-Thierry Boisseau case to be put in arbitration here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:Jean-Thierry_Boisseau_.28formerly_User:Musikfabrik.29.2C_et_al. Vanished user ^talk 00:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hi

I am not too worried about the size limits. But seeing that along with how easy it was to split off Origins of Opera and French Opera made it seem like a good idea. Right now Opera is farley large but without any easy sections to split off there is no rush in worring about it. Kc4 20:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

GA review

I've added completely redundant inline citations to Dido and Aeneas and Venus and Adonis (opera). If you see anything else which you think a process wonk will want a citation on, I'd appreciate it, if you have a chance, if you'd add a {{fact}} template to it. Cheers, Mak (talk) 19:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Mak (talk) 20:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jean-Thierry Boisseau

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jean-Thierry Boisseau. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jean-Thierry Boisseau/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jean-Thierry Boisseau/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Arbitration Clerk FloNight 22:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

...Oh My God

[1]

...Right. So HOW DOES THAT WORK with his later reaction? Vanished user ^talk 06:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

IAWM

I found their e-mail and invited them all to help, and set up the page to greet them. Let's face it, if the proof's there, they'll have it, and if it exists, then let's use it! Vanished user ^talk 20:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Message

You have mail (possibly). --Folantin 12:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Just wanted to send a quick note of thanks for your support in my RfA. :-) I really appreciate it! Question 4 was tough, but I'm glad you thought it was a good response. Best, Irongargoyle 17:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

GA-Agrippina

The article is quite nice. There are just a couple things - could you give more information on your source? The year of the recording the liner notes came from, the exact title of the CD? Oh, I see, they're way down with the Recordings. Well, it could conceivably be a problem, maybe put it twice? I added one "fact" template, because I'm not sure about the use of only cello and harpsichord in Handel's continuo group (I'd believe it, but since the previous statement about recitative secco was not quite right, I'd feel better if the whole continuo thing was double checked). Congrats, nicely done! Mak (talk) 22:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Moreschi, I haven't seen anything more on this article since I left that note. I hope I didn't offend you about the continuo thing or anything. Cheers, Mak (talk) 22:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Pygmalion and Galatea

Thanks! Vanished user ^talk 19:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

W. S. Gilbert

Hi, Moreschi! I hate to bother you, but I wondered if you could scan over the W. S. Gilbert article (in the middle of a push for GA and FA) and tell me if there's anything that needs cited? We have all the information, but I think we're a little too close to it, and things we'd let pass without thinking others might not be so lenient about.

In other news, all seems pretty quiet on the List of major opera composers front. Probably a bit too quiet - has anyone done anything about the women in opera problem? Vanished user ^talk 12:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha! Your puny list is no match for my AWESOME CITING POWERS! Only four are left as I drift to slumber. Vanished user ^talk 22:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Despite your attempts to incite me with extra cites, I'm back down to two. Vanished user ^talk 22:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Citation process finished. Anything else? Vanished user ^talk

Thanks for your excellent help with the Gilbert article. Please don't start bare stubs like The Martyr of Antioch (unless you're planning to write up the article imminently), though, because it makes it harder for me to see what I need to do next -- the blue link makes me think it's done. Thanks! -- Ssilvers 14:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I am planning to do an article for each redlink, so please do me a favor and don't make stubs unless you plan to beef them up the same day. I would be grateful if you go ahead and do "Martyr" tonight, and I'll work on another play or 2 today. It won't take long to get the redlinks all done. I redlinked them so I could use the redlinks as a "to do" list. -- Ssilvers 16:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to WP:G&S!! I expanded The Martyr of Antioch. This is the kind of treatment that I think we sould give each work in the G&S project, assuming that there are materials to work with. AFAIK, there are no stubs in the project. My own goal is to get all the articles up to at least a B-class, which is a finite goal, considering that most of the really notable stuff about G&S is either up already or is listed in the very modest To-do list at WP:G&S; I am far less interested in the in-line cite projects. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 21:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Hospitals

I'm going to deprod Hospitals in Egypt. Not because I disagree with the deletion (because I do want it deleted), but because it's the main example of how poinltess and WP:NOTty these lists are. -- Steel 16:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Hospital in Egypt - rubbish. Why this page still exist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Kasr_El_Aini_Hospital

WP:RFA/Cynical

Thank you for contributing to my RFA. Unfortunately it failed (final tally 26/17/3). As a result of the concerns raised in my RFA, I intend to undergo coaching, get involved in the welcoming committee and try to further improve the quality of my contributions to AFD and RFA. All the best. Cynical 14:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Mail

You've got some.--Folantin 17:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

And some more. Mak (talk) 18:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

W. S. Gilbert

I've now put up articles for all the red-linked Gilbert plays except "Foggerty's Fairy", which is Adam's bailiwick. So, at least for now, I'm done with the Gilbert article and will just keep monitoring it. Let me know if you start any new G&S-related articles, and I'll be happy to look them over (plus, I'll want to add them to my watchlist, as I watch all the WP:G&S articles). Best regards, -- Ssilvers 19:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Please weigh in on the FA nomination at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/W. S. Gilbert if you have a chance. I think we have covered all the outstanding issues. You had previously left it at "hold on for a few days". Regards, -- Ssilvers 02:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Mail

You probably know you have some already. --Folantin 08:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Opera corpus

There's a discussion on the talk page about my changes to the orginisation for W. S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan - What do you think? I'm not sure - it's not particularly visually appealing, but I think it may be necessary. Vanished user ^talk 22:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

I didn't say I didn't want to be an admin. I said that I probably wouldn't make it to be an admin. I surely want to, I just didn't think I would become one. SupaStarGirl 20:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

addiction to wikipedia, etc.

Hi there, have you been following what went on? If so, then I hope that you understand that I was really tempted to get the involved parties blocked or something, but I'm not sure of the exact procedure in such a situation. And yes, I earned my Wikipediholic score of 2900-something points. --Kyoko 23:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The very fact that you, as an uninvolved person, was able to follow along illustrates the point that I was trying to get across to them: Wikipedia is not a private chat room, and that includes my talk page. They should have taken it to e-mail, or better yet, the phone. I think I was more than patient in this situation, and I hope that they have learned their lesson. Next time, I don't think I'll be nearly as patient. --Kyoko 23:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

True, worse things have happened, and from what I understand, they should know that as well. I'll take a look at that article, though I'm really not familiar with Handel's operas. Have a good holiday! --Kyoko 15:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

W. S. Gilbert

Is now FA! Thanks for the help! Vanished user ^talk 22:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I second that. Thanks! -- Ssilvers 01:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The Indian Queen

Hie Moreschi. I have just fed some information into the Indian Queen Article. You said you'd know more about the opera. I'd be delighted. --Olaf Simons 11:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back.

Hi there, I hope your time away from Wikipedia was enjoyable. I've watched over the Agrippina (opera) article as you requested, and even made an edit or two on it. Welcome back! --Kyoko 22:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It was no problem watching over Agrippina (opera). For one thing, I got to learn a bit about an opera I've never seen or heard before. Thanks also for reviewing me in WP:ER. --Kyoko 15:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hangman

I've partially responded on my talk page, but have you noticed the Special page "Prefix index"? You can do stuff like this, which can be useful sometimes. Mak (talk) 23:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. You can do the same thing to find the subpages of the Wikipedia:Chess championship page. And I see you have indeed found them all! :-) Btw, I noticed your edit summaries of "the server groans" and "pity the server" and "Christ, I wouldn't like to be the server!!" - but have you seen Wikipedia:Don't worry about performance? I know this is irrelevant material that should be deleted, but the correct argument is "irrelevant". The "server load" argument (which is false) just distracts from that. Carcharoth 15:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

RFA Quip

Hey, read your "Support per the oppose votes" comment on Trial's RFA and thought it was just the perfect thing to say! Cheers, Pete.Hurd 06:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar for your efforts

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For your efforts to prevent those inclusionists at Esperanza from making 30 billion subpages about HANGMAN, I award you the Editor's Barnstar. Praise due to you. Shrieking Harpy Talk|Count 19:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind newpage deletions not counting... I go edit or make a new article after every spree. Oddly enough, nothing I've ever done has ever been gone at for deletion. Deletionists don't MAKE pages that would get deleted...which I find as delicious irony. --Shrieking Harpy ^Talk|Count 19:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was so awestruck by the sheer waste of the Esperanza stuff that I spent some time poking about and forgot to vote. I did that now, I think I'm going to shriek at the Esperanza people now. --Shrieking Harpy ^Talk|Count 20:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza games getting crazier

Poking about, I found this guy trying to get this horror put into the Esperanza Coffee Lounge, as seen here.

That monster weighs in at over 300k. Imagine 3 or 4 copies of that with about 40 players each. We have to stop this before it gets out of hand. Fun is one thing, this is....just bizzare. --Shrieking Harpy ^Talk|Count 20:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Request for assistance

Hey Moreschi, I'd appreciate it if you are hanging about Wikipedia if you'd keep an eye on Concerto delle donne, since it's going on the main page in (shock!) three hours. Cheers, Mak (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

MfD Wikiplomacy

Good idea bout the MfD for that game page , I put up a MfD for it here. --Shrieking Harpy ^Talk|Count 21:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Anti-vandal patrol

Sure. I should be able to keep a look out now and then tomorrow. I can revert vandalism but I'm not sure how to slap those "please stop wasting our time" labels on the scumbags' home pages. Anyway their names and numbers will be all there in the edit history if you want to do that yourself later. (Though frankly, I think banning anonymous editing would cut 95% of vandalism stone dead and save a lot of our time and effort). Cheers. --Folantin 21:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

quick thanks

Hi, quick thanks, I really should go, I just feel compelled to respond to messages before leaving. Thanks again.--Kyoko 23:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Madhumita datta

This newbie hadn't seen the welcome wagon before your prod + afd. Oh, I largely agree with you about non-notability, but couldn't we have offered a hand first?? If the user=subject then she would have been handy at least for WP:BIAS.--Mereda 10:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks. You can tell I was feeling a bit grumpy too. :) --Mereda 08:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Light fingers

I've just stolen a load of your stuff from the "Modernism" section of Opera to fill out the Schoenberg/Berg part of German opera, an article I've been giving a major facelift to over the past few days. Hope you don't mind (assuming it was your work). Anyway, it was good stuff, so I nicked it. The article is coming along nicely and I hope to have the bulk of it done by the weekend. Do you know anything about Henze/post-war German opera in general? I'm a bit weak in that area but I can probably wing it. Once it's done though, I'd appreciate you checking it over to see if I haven't made any outrageous gaffes. Not to worry yet, though. Cheers. --Folantin 11:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Zealous

Lol, overzealous? Two warnings for one edit? :) BTW, why are GA reviewers so mos-obsessed? GA was originally supposed to be for articles which were non-terrible, and practically all articles written by a competent Wikipedian were supposed to pass. It was meant to differentiate them from all of the piles of stuff you see on new page patrol which isn't quite deletable, but isn't really any good at all. Now it's even more annoying than FA, IMHO. I should just start ignoring it. Anyway, I'm technically at work, but my boss never gives me anything to do, because he's, well, a bad boss. Cheers, Mak (talk) 18:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out with Concerto delle donne! (btw, did you check out the talk page? Typical of Wikipedia- one fairly clueful person making good suggestions, newbie though they be, and one old-hand meddler, counting citations without any real understanding. argh.) Anyway, I think it stood up pretty well, so thanks! Cheers, Mak (talk) 00:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Final warning time has passed

Looks like your friend's been at it again on Concerto delle donne (19.45 pm ish). Time for the admins to bring down the final curtain, I think. Kind of a depressing day reverting. These trolls have absolutely no imagination or inventiveness. It's like dealing with one big Collective Cretin. As I say, ban anonymous IPs from editing the main page articles and you'd have virtually no problems. Not really much of an encouragement to win FA status for your efforts, is it? --Folantin 20:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Reverted vandalism on your userpage

Hi! Just letting you know that I reverted vandalism on your userpage by 216.6.186.41 in case you wondered why I edited your userpage. I've warned him with an appropriate template.

Best wishes,

Yuser31415 ^{talk|contribs} 00:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You've got

Mail. And mail (burning issue only, rest later). And mail. And mail. And get the picture by now? Zzzzz. And Mail. M. And M.--Folantin 16:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Lol, you probably already know this by now, but I've responded to your e-mail of yesterday, I think it was. Although, come to think of it, maybe it showed up in your spam folder again. Cheers, Mak (talk) 19:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Mail? Mak (talk) 15:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Spawn Man's RfA

Hey Moreschi, per this, I hope you didn't think I was getting at you or anything like that. In truth, I didn't even look at who said what, I just picked out a few which, I thought, would have been hard for Spawn to take. I know from experience that it hurts to be opposed on things you weren't expecting, so I was just offering him my support. As I said, nothing against you personally, or your opinion. Other than that, hope all is well :) Thε Halo ^Θ 18:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Moreschi. Sorry for the late reply, I had to grab a bath, and then literally just hit save to have a say on the Esperanza talk page before heading out to a party (even us AC members have a life ;) Anyway, thanks for the response, glad I didn't step on your toes or anything. The first paragraph you wrote kind of reminded me of Arb Com candidate John Reid saying he wouldn't support an RfA unless the candidate had a block log...

Just also wanted to say that I enjoyed your contributions to the current Esperanza discussion, which I'll now have to write a lot about to catch up. Cheers, and I'm sure I'll talk with you later. Thε Halo ^Θ 00:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

COTM is up

I've got the Collaboration of the Month for Esperanza up, you might want to check it out. I'm reserving a spot as Assistant Overseer for you. DoomsDay349 03:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for your support...
Thank you ever so much, Moreschi, for your kind words and understanding in my time of need. I deeply appreciate your support, and I hope to be there for you, should you ever need help. — Kyoko

Hello Moreschi, and thanks for your well wishes. I'm slowly recovering, though it may be some time before I get back to my normal energy level. Thanks again. --Kyoko 00:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)