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Gen. George Thomas

I re-edited the article to put back in

In 1831 Thomas and his family were nearly caught up in the slave revolt of Nat Turner. Whilst some repressive acts were enforced following the crushing of the revolt, Thomas took the lesson another way, seeing that slavery was so vile an institution that it had forced the slaves to act in violence.

Yes, Turner was mentioned in the previous article, but nothing about Thomas' life-changing reaction to slavery following the revolt

Montalban (talk) 12:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you at least for putting the information in the correct location. Please provide a page number citation or remove it. It is unfortunate that Bobrick is now introduced as a reference to the article because his book is really a substandard biography and I have avoided citing him up until now. I have balanced his opinion with that of a more reliable biographer, IMHO. Hal Jespersen (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

There's a number of references given on the General G. Thomas entry that only have an author, such as "Einolf". I think these need to be proper (more academic) references, with book title and publisher details.

Thanks for the page number. These are abbreviated cites that are read in conjunction with the full publication details in the References section, as we do in hundreds of ACW articles. See User:Hlj/CWediting#Citations and Footnotes. Hal Jespersen (talk) 00:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

BTW, just so you know, on en.wikipedia, User:Hlj literally wrote the manual of style for military biography. So if Hal makes a suggestion as it regards style, he knows what we've been doing better than anyone. Doesn't necessarily mean he's correct in every circumstance, but he's an extremely respected editor in this interest area. Just FYI. BusterD (talk) 04:53, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd prefer to discuss issues in talkspace as opposed to via personal message. No offense intended. I agree Cimprich was a disappointing read. I was hoping for more than a half page devoted to his upbringing. Sorry I couldn't provide more or better help. BusterD public (talk) 16:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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Your PM about Lee

Blame this fellow. He started the hero worship. The Lost Causers developed this entire mythology about Lee. Lee was a special soldier and demonstrated his enormous resourcefulness and value as early as 1847. His successful ACW campaigns gave him a legendary status. But if Lee had been born at Arlington instead of Stratford, he might have stayed in the Union Army and the war would have likely lasted a much shorter time. And but for a horseshoe nail (so to speak), it might have been W.W. Loring, not Jackson, who became Stonewall. But as my late father used to say, if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bust his ass a'hoppin'. BusterD (talk) 04:46, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm living the adage of 'learning a new thing every day'. Montalban (talk) 05:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

That's my whole life, brother. Thanks for the morsel. BusterD (talk) 11:29, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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Would you like some help? LoveMonkey (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Co-Redemptrix as Church doctrine?

Your comparison of the papal infallibility theory before 1870 with the "co-redemptrix" title of the Mother of God today is a good one. The co-redemptrix theory is not yet (if it ever will be) a Church doctrine now, but only a theory that (some) Catholic theologians hold and that they explain in different ways, and that other Catholic theologians deny on different grounds. If it is ever raised to the status of Church doctrine, the definition of the doctrine will clarify in what sense the Theotokos can be called co-redemptrix, as happened in 1870 when the theory that (some) theologians had been maintaining was clarified, so that the Church doctrine excludes the idea that every doctrinal statement by a pope is infallible.

Would you please explain what is "the English remonstrance to Parliament" that you write about? What were the English remonstrating about? Was it during Pitt's first or his second period as Prime Minister? Since you say Pitt was making suggestions to the remonstrators with a view to granting Catholic emancipation, they surely weren't remonstrating against the Act of Union with Ireland, passed during Pitt's first period as Prime Minister, or were they? Esoglou (talk) 14:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

You know what they're writing about - you even changed the article (improving it) by adding in that it was about Catholic Emancipation. Montalban (talk) 21:55, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I just don't know what the English (which English?) were remonstrating about. Please let me know. Esoglou (talk) 07:32, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Ha ha!

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Please see Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard. Esoglou (talk) 06:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Cambridge papal heresy?

Hey again if you haven't read him already you should read Ross' stuff on the papacy. [1] LoveMonkey (talk) 05:04, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Heres another article or two that could us some touching up..Latin Empire and Massacre of the Latins.

Thanx again LoveMonkey (talk) 02:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Montalban. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Request experimental lifting of edit restriction on Esoglou. If you have an opinion on lifting Esoglou's editing restriction from Orthodox articles you can join the discussion. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 22:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

East West Schism

Please come to the East West schism article Monti. To reflect some more upon the edit warring of the Esoglou, Richard tag team edit warriors of the Roman Catholic church! LoveMonkey (talk) 17:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Are those papists causing trouble again? ;-) – Lionel ^(talk) 03:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

....What is being said and also ignored by senior people at Wikipedia. [2] People post concerns and those concerns get brushed away out of hand, ignored or punished. Please read the article Monti. You know its true and the comments from Ed today validate what the ZDNet article says. Your wasting your personal time and your energy and anyone can go to my talkpage and see the times you have posted your frustration at the double standard and how Esoglou and Pseudo Richard can pick apart (with absolute immunity) what your trying to contribute.. It is clear that Wikipedia will not confront others editors and they instead will put their heads in the sand and ignore that they are either directly abusing people or enabling other editors they will not confront to abuse people. LoveMonkey (talk) 20:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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The East West schism and filioque articles

Yep Esoglou just can't leave Eastern Orthodox subjects and people alone. Please read the mentioned article talkpages. And God Bless LoveMonkey (talk) 14:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Some help on this one

Hello I was hoping for some help on the Latin Patriarch of Constantinople article. All kinds of Pro Roman Catholic things that are historically inaccurate and basically just propaganda are in the article it almost makes no mention of the way the office was created nor what it's purpose was. It also does not cover aggressions committed against the Orthodox by way of this type of power being created (for example the things done to the Orthodox when the Crusaders took the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem). LoveMonkey (talk) 17:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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A most important understanding

I would like to create an article on the subject of Romiosini. However I don't really have the time. I think it will do much to give people an understanding of the ethnic identity of the Eastern Orthodox Christians in the Mediterranean in the post Roman Empire. Here is a good article about the subject of this ethnic identity as Romiosini and or Political Hesychasm by Daniel Paul Payne [3]. Allot of Eastern Orthodox apology against Western Christianity, is encapsulated in this "movement". Of course if people don't know anything about the EO then they will know even less about it's history including things like who Philotheos Bryennios is or The Patmias Ecclesiastical School Island of Revelations theological school. I would like to create an article on the Patmos school as well, since it was founded in 1733. LoveMonkey (talk) 14:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Some history

Here is a tiny snapshot of a book [4] the book is this one. [5] This position is one that has had a very clear influence on Romanides. This passage covers the overview of the Normans as the allies of the Italians whom warred against the East Roman Empire. Note that this war (around the time of the schism) has a long history before the schism. Also it has consequences to it that Europe will not able to accept. Note this passage.

"The Norman attack on the Byzantine empire had no little influence on the situation in the east. For one thing, it strengthened Saladin's position on the eve of his conquest of Jerusalem. Up to this moment the alliance between the Latins of Jerusalem and the Byzantines had proved one of the bulwarks of the Christian position in the east, withstanding even the test of the common defeat at Damietta in 1169. But, in fear of a Sicilian (or even a combined German-Sicilian) attack, Andronicus had accepted Saladin's overtures and concluded a treaty which was later confirmed by Isaac II Angelus. The Kurdish leader maintained good relations with both Isaac Angelus in Constantinople and Isaac Comnenus in Cyprus. On the other hand, while the attack on the Greek empire had brought the Sicilian king no gain, and probably a serious loss of prestige, it considerably weakened the empire on the Bosporus and showed the way to the conquest of 1203-1204."

It is a component to the East West schism that the attacking of the Eastern Christian communities by the Roman Catholic raiders precipitated the fall of the Eastern Empire to the Muslims. This is something that is not a very popular reality for the Western Christians to accept. That their forefathers attacked and weakened Eastern Christians so much so that an alliance with the Muslims (to protect the East Empire from the Normans, Italians) was actually pursued. It goes from there that the Egyptians had actually done this first. This entire aspect is missing from the Western depiction of the subject. This is critical to understand that actual history of Greece during this time, a history that is not covered nor even acknowledged in the West. LoveMonkey (talk) 17:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Muckaty station

Thanks for your edit here, but the link you provided as a source doesn't work. I'm removing the para for the moment unless you can provide a page number reference from hiddins. If you can, though, that'd be great. hamiltonstone (talk) 20:07, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Steam Power - **Revolution Plot Spoilers Ahead**

I did warn you.

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It's one thing for me not to reference and another to assume that it's novel synthesis. How about asking for a reliable source, rather than accusing someone of doing something wrong?

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User:Slatersteven I do not know what 3rr means. I have set out in the talk section of the Atlantis article the reasons why I have put my information back. I had not seen any reasons for why my section was twice removed. I would like to think you wrote to that person and suggested that they are edit warring also.

Montalban (talk) 09:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Besides the fact that like me he is an Administrator and thus extremely familiar with what edit warring means, he only reverted you once, thus not edit warring. Doug Weller talk 09:41, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

In any case, trivial mentions of possible locations don't belong in the main article but at Location hypotheses of Atlantis. But you would still need consensus to add it there. Doug Weller talk 09:43, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Interesting that if two people are adding/reverting material only one is in an 'edit war'.

And hey, if you feel that this sort of material is not serious but belongs on a totally different page - even though the main page has speculative other locations, then you obviously see a significance there too, that I do not see.

Thank you for cut n' pasting what 3rr means. I am not a full-time writer here so am not aware of this.

Montalban (talk) 09:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

There are 4 people involved. 3 are reverting you. That almost always means you need to stop and get agreement. I suspect that there are some mentions in the main Atlantis article that also don't belong. Note that the discussion about the Richat structure started before you added it, you are not being singled out and you're not the first one to be reverted for trying to link the two. You'd know that if you'd read the other discussions. We may end up with a mention in the appropriate place, but the sources need to meet our policies and guidelines as does the wording. Doug Weller talk 09:58, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

How come there's more people adding in stuff that Richat Structure is Atlantis than reverting it, yet the people reverting it all claim that it is all one person? It seems inherently dishonest, to me. A compromise surely is to recognise that this is what most people consider to be true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.179.159.63 (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

So how many, 4 billion people believe it? In any case, we have guidelines and policies on this, and the Richat structure is mentioned in the article. The current problem is the attempt to publicise a conspiracy theorist. Doug Weller talk 15:03, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

It seems totally silly to have a section in the main article about other possible sites and then to have a totally separate article on other possible sites

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Sleep Walk

Please see WP:IPCV. In popular culture items must be accompanied by a ctation that establishes the significance of the reference, not merely that it occurred. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 00:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

The significance is that the song is used in a film. This is rare. I cannot quantify rarity or significance... both are subjective

But the fact remains the song is used in a film of similar name. If you can point out a plethora of other movies that use this track then I would say its use in this film is NOT significant

Montalban (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I have now included the fact that the song inspired King to write the screenplay that the film of the same name... which it would not take much to conclude that is why they put the song of that name in a film of that name.

"Inspired by the Santo & Johnny song “Sleep Walk,” (the Sleepwalkers dance to a record of it in the movie), Stephen King’s Sleepwalkers is the first screenplay he wrote for the screen."

It seems to me rather silly to have to go to so much effort to prove the 'significance' of one song.

Montalban (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for providing a proper source. Please note that IMDb generally should not be used in citations, per WP:RS/IMDb. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 15:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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I appreciate the notification, though it's probably something you have to do

The First Amendment Audits (1AA) are also simply called ‘Audits’ in the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

This is a vibrant new phenomena challenging bad policing and bad public policy to uphold long held legal principles, such as free speech and freedom of assembly

I will not participate in the discussions. If people at wikipedia so hate freedoms then so be it.

I have noticed - and I do not know who is responsible for the linking but a number of times I view these 1AA YouTube videos there is a link below to Wiki’s article on sovereign citizens which itself is a slay attack on the 1AA community by associating one thing (about upholding the law) to those who don’t believe the laws apply to them at all.

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