User talk:Momisan

Dobrodošel

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! I've checked your edits in Montenegrin cuisine and as far as I can tell, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your edits (and believe me, that means something). If you have any questions about Wikipedia, don't hesitate to drop a note at my user page. Regards from Slovenia :) -Missmarple 13:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again! I browsed through your new contributions and there's nothing wrong this time either :) I really admire the edits you made to Montenegrin cuisine - that article is seriously starting to look good! Anyway, I do have a few suggestions for your editing: when you only make a minor edit (like this one), make sure you also mark it as a minor edit. You do this by clicking on the box that says 'This is a minor edit' under the text box when you're editing. Also, filling the edit summary is always a good idea. As the Help:Edit summary page says, Accurate summaries help people decide whether it is worthwhile for them to check a change. Regards, -Missmarple 08:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your very kind email :) I noticed your edits to the talk page of the article about Montenegrins and thought about it for a minute. Sadly, I don't know much about the Montenegro-Serbia conflicts, but I know that talking to the opposite side can be quite difficult. Now this is only my personal opinion, but I think that spending too much time on the talk page and arguing doesn't do much good to the article. In fact, you might get carried away and argue about such nonsense as who should edit the article! The answer is obvious - anyone that respects the neutral point of view. References are what's important in these cases. If you write a well-referenced article (citations are useful, too), nobody's going to be able to say - that's just your point of view. Try to be as neutral as you can and just boldly edit the article. Don't worry, Wikipedia has many ways to assure that articles are written in a neutral point of view. Oh, and Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot might also be a good read :) Regards, -Missmarple 09:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutly right. Thanks for a good advice, as usual.Momisan 10:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi Momisan, just wanted to say hello and I say, what a great job you did with Montenegrin articles. I give you my full support. May I ask, from where in Montenegro does you and your family originate? Cr na ^t _e ^c Go ra 22:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Brate sokole, nijesi primio dobrodoslicu niodkoga - pa evo poshiljam ti jednu :)

Welcome!

Hello, Momisan, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!

I am of Montenegrin descent and an (almost) proffessional historian. I'm sorry if I seen thick-headed somewhere - but that's because I read a lot. I hope we could collaborate, and invite you to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Montenegro and check out Portal:Montenegro. --HolyRomanEmperor 22:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Source

I found a viewable source source. It's a sister-project of Rastko - Library of Serbian culture; it's from the Montenegrin diaspora in Serbia supported/financed by the Geographical Institute of the Serbian Academy of Science and Arts, Historical Institute of the Serbian Academy of Science and Arts; Metropolinate of Montenegro and the Littoral; a group of writers under Matija Beckovic; the History Channel; 2001 Encyclopedia Britannica; CNN; BBC; Antiwar; the Universities of Tokyo, Illinois, San John, Virginia etc. - the Serb Land of Montenegro.

Although I come from a family of fierce supporters of Montenegrin sovereignity, strong sympathizers of the Montenegrin nationality, harsh opposers of the Montenegrin Orthodox Church and the Montenegrin language - I tend to be objective and neutral. --HolyRomanEmperor 19:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly - I just thought I would interest you in reading the whole site (despite its radicalism, its the best on-line collection of Montenegrin history & culture): Prince Danilo and Danilo's Code. --HolyRomanEmperor 09:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Par reci

Samo da ti kazem da nema potrebe da budes u gardu. Ako mislis da ja sam imam problema sa nekim cinjenicama, baci mi poruku na mojoj strani za razgovor. Uglavnom, hajd da se bavimo enciklopedijom. Ako zivis u Crnoj Gori, sigurno je da ces moci da nam das relevantne reference iz biblioteka koje se ticu jezika u Crnoj Gori (sto je i moj prostor interesovanja). --millosh (talk (sr:)) 18:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed

Hey Momisan, I need help and a lot of it. I've been doing the Petrović Family Tree and I'm having trouble. I've been using njegoskij.org to help and now I find a family tree of the family on njegos.org and the one on njegos.org doesn't have a lot of people I already listed on it. Now I need help to organize the tree I did so I can add the people listed on the family tree on njegos.org that aren't on the article. Please reply. Thanks. Crna Gora 16:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I need help organizing the founding fathers of the family. Crna Gora 01:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

School

Please tell me, I've never understood the temporal range which the theory of Montenegrins' Serbdom based on Orthodoxy - what is it? Many have said "19th century", "18th century", etc... but which time period precisely? --PaxEquilibrium 21:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:

Zdravo Momisane.

Hvala za dobrodošlicu. Znam, treba još Crnogoraca na Vikipediju.

Prijatno, Momisane. Milo mi je što smo se upoznali.

Emperor of Europe 03:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nijesi me razumio

I asked you when is the period that that school of thought in Montenegro defines as the period of Orthodox=Serb. --PaxEquilibrium 18:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why I asked is because all (belonging to that school) say that that period ends in 1945, when the Montenegrin ethnic group was (semi-)recognized and Montenegro became its Republic. However, this is illogical - since Michael Petrovic-Njegos, the heir to the throne (predecessor of current Nikola I), cried how the Serbian element in Montenegro is being covertly destroyed by the Communists, mostly by destroying the Symbol of Montenegro - Njegos' Chapel. He in exile was the voice of Serbs (then a insignificant minority) in Montenegro; all this was in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.

As far as I understood, the theory holds that Montenegrins have falsly been Serbs just because of their religion, is that true?

By the way - calling Catholics and Muslims Serbs as well was a rather frequent thing in monarchial Montenegro. --PaxEquilibrium 10:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Roughly, I share pretty-much every opinion you have expressed. Just tell me, what's your opinion on the (now almost former) Djukanovic regime of Montenegro?

I don't really understand what you meant by "run-down of the evolution of the term Serb". As I recall, it was a Persian (Iranni-Caucasian) people that "melted-in" with various peoples in northeastern Europe, forming Slavs (although the Baltic peoples stayed and were never absorbed into this group). As it is known, "Slav" is a term invented by the non-barbarian Europeans for "Serbs" - as was the general name for usage of all the people belonging to this race. I don't really understand by "point of view of Serbia", sorry if I'm a little slow. ;( --PaxEquilibrium 18:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well - it most certainly is a loss - for him. As far as I heard from henious rumers, it appears that he was blackmailed. I think, though, that all of Montenegro's problems (read: many) will die with him; just as Serbia's black side died mostly with Milosevic; Croatia's with Tudjman and Bosnia's with Izetbegovic. The final and very last "demagogue" to call him, from the Yugoslav wars; is out of office. Considering his age, though; it will not be soon until he picks him up. --PaxEquilibrium 12:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The term "Serb" to Dositej Obradovic was any member of a nation called "Serbs". Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic (you mentioned him twice) held a similiar thing, however in his opinion and during his age all shtokavian-speakers were classified as such; the term meant "Orthodox Christian South Slav" - taking into granted the fact that Bulgarians aren't Slavs. Cvijic, with most expertiese into this subject, refered to it as an ethnic group. Whereas the same is the opion is the same with Seselj, I don't think anyone needs even to hear his opinion, less even think about it - whatever it may be. If you haven't mistakingly reffered to Vuk twice, you must have referred to Radovan Karadzic - once again I don't see the relevancy of such a man's opinion (it was the same as Seselj's). Ljotic's ideology is also irrelevant, and I must sadly admit how little knowledge I possess about this person.

What I also fail to see is why you presented this as "Serbia's point of view". Such would be a little more reasonable if you named strictly Serbia's great individuals; but each & every single man you named AFAIC is either a Montenegrin (most of them) or other, like Macedonian or Bosnian. --PaxEquilibrium 12:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ilija Garasanin's view was the religious viewpoint. --PaxEquilibrium 12:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that his family's deeper origin goes deeper to Kosovo doesn't really change that much. Aren't all Montenegrins descendents of the heroes of Kosovo? ;) --PaxEquilibrium 17:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we can love Radovan's poems (they're actually great), but hate him for what he did politicly in Bosnia. :S How weird is Wikipedia's WP:POV/WP{NPOV policy. --PaxEquilibrium 17:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Није ли чудно...

...то што сви википедијанци из Црне Горе се строго залажу за црногорски језик, политичку независимост и народност? Велики број српских корисника из Хрватске су махом жестоки националисти, као и Угри из Војводине и Арнаути с Косова ил Бошњаци изБосне. Ово мора бити нека Балканистичка аксиома која је примењива само за Наше земље и народе. :) --PaxEquilibrium 21:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Radovan Karadzic

He. I just found out - he's (although not Montenegrin - is only by citizenship/birth) a Herzegovinian - he's a Drobnjak. :) --PaxEquilibrium 17:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zar vas stvarno nema petoro?

Aj pogledaj koliko vas ima i koliko vas hoce crnogorsku Vikipediju. Petoro je dovoljno za pokretanje projekta. Ali, stvarno je neophodno da su aktivni saradnici. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 07:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Me and Montenegrin wikipedia

You're wrong. I'm not a bit obsessed about history. I am a lot obsessed. :) And I'm sorry if you view me as a bully - but think of how the doctors feel (after 20 years of practice) when they have to tell a family that their relative had died...they become heartless... I met n number of warmongering trolls and vandals on Wikipedia. When I saw Sideshow Bob's edits, which are strictly and only vandalism (referring to the articles in question), I think that my reactions are professional and in the limitation of reason, don't you think?

About the Montenegrin wikipedia... Crna Gora and I are the founders of the idea - however, mainly mutual conflicts prevented us from realizing. While CrnaGora was strongly and directly advisint that we raise the establishment right now; I preferred waiting, stating that it's too soon for such a wikipedia - aside from that, we didn't have enough founding Fathers (patience turned out well - we do now, as more and more Montenegrins appear at Wikipedia) and CrnaGora wasn't really a good speaker of the Montenegrin language (back then). But the time and opportunity (when no one reasonable will be opposing cg wiki) is getting ever nearer, so you might hop in and help us. Cheers! --PaxEquilibrium 18:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Montey

G'Day

How did you find me?

Anyway,

Montenegrins in Australia ...where do I start? They have been here as long as any other European group. That means prior to the great migration of 1945. Make no mistake. A fair few came late 1800s but not just to Australia but the rest of the world too. A fair few books exsit on Australia that mention Yugoslavs, Croats, Serbs. Majority of the so called Yugoslavs or Slavs were in fact Dalmatians and were also even called Slavonians, Italians, Austrians...

I have been to Sydney..there you have at least 4-5 Croat clubs ..1 Serb one ..no Montenegrin ones that i have heard of. I know that Croatian soccer team Sydney United have a Boka stand at the stadium which is ref to Boka in Montenegro. Not sure why?

Montenegro is selling old homes and villages to Russians and Irish i read. A fair few foreigners are arriving there to live an work. Montenegro has good tourism and is looking at having a strong bond with Croatia when it comes to that...organising tours where both countries can be vistited in the one trip. On the other hand Without the help of Serbia in a few areas will be tough, but in time will be ok.

I love Montenegro. Jagoda 1 02:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably you didn't read the good of my articles. Which did you read at all, by the way?

You cannot pretty much agree with Sideshow Bob to remove any sort of mention of anything Serbian, replacing it by "Montenegrin", and then state that we should remove any nationalist labeling. It's self-contradicting ;D. I was not talking specifically about the article on HRH Mirko, but for instance, that edit in particular is bad faith vandalism. I just cite the rules, like a professional guardian of the encyclopedia (just like I stop Serbian trolls/vandals elsewhere, like Bosnian history articles - there's no one-siding over there). For examble, other Sideshow Bob's edits, like that on the Demographic history are not alone actions of a vandal, but a troll forging and twisting sources' claims. The same at the wiki-portal. I hardly understand how professional and rapid responding to vandalism & trolling is considered bullying. --PaxEquilibrium 11:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naskin

Ako te razumim ja i ti mene, onda govorimo/pisemo naskin. A bolje je pisat naskin na Wiki. Sto treba da pisemo Engleski da svjet cita di se pripiremo o gluposti. Misani smo svi na Balkanu i samo nas religija odvaja. Sad necu rec da je to religija kriva potpuno za Balkanski rat. Ali ima i istine, narod se odvaje po tome najvise.

Tesko je razumit Balkan. Ko moze ??? Ima dobrih i slabih u svim nacijama, svaki narod ima crni period pa zasto ne i Yugoslavia itd....

God Speed Jagoda 1 00:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bolje ve nasha'

I didn't have time to make any contributions lately.Now I am back,and hopefully I will have more time in near future.I was a little biased on some of my first edits,but I tend to respond promptly to anything I consider wrong and one-sided. Anyway,I'm looking forward to working together and improving Montenegro-related articles.Sideshow Bob 04:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

CG Wiki

I've started up a CG Wiki at cgwiki.elwiki.com (it'll become a seperate website once it gets 10 articles, and it's for free). If you would like, you can join it (you can become a bureaucrat and a SysOp), though I will need extreeeeeeme heeeeeeeeelp!!!!!!!. And, it's written in the Montenegrin language as intended. Think about it and if yes, come join and help out. Bye. --Crna Gora 03:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Second Montenegrin Wikipedia proposal

I have started up a second proposal on the Montenegrin Wikipedia, I think it should be time to restart it. If you want to vote, the link is: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Montenegrin_2

Just wanted to let you know. Thanks again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CrnaGora (talk • contribs) 06:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Brotherhood and Unity

I thought "This user supports the independence of Montenegro" stood at your user page a while ago. :))) --PaxEquilibrium 14:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brotherhood? Sure! "jedinstvo"? Sadly, never. --PaxEquilibrium 14:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suradnik/Saradnik

I've just been researching/discussing this. This is evidently a borrowed-from-Croatian neologism for the new Montenegrin language; however, I have found one occasion that it's being used by King Nikola I Petrovic-Njegos at the end of the 19th century abroad (allegedly). Perhaps you could shed some light? --PaxEquilibrium 20:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand that's a borrowed Croatism mainly due to Jevrem Brkovic and DANU. Not that notable, though. --PaxEquilibrium 12:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But I simply cannot find any mention of "suradnik" in Montenegrin manner except a single sentence used by King Nicholas I Petrovic-Njegos in Belgrade in 1896, on Saint Vitus' Day (as repeated by Nikcevic's followers, although not gladly).

Then again - why did you insert it in the first place if it's hardly notable? --PaxEquilibrium 00:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How can I not like my native language???

But still, I have seen nothing except that single word by HRH Nikola. --PaxEquilibrium 11:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hello

I'm glad you liked my "Brotherhood and Unity" template. It is customary to ask the person who created it before you copy something from that persons page to your page. Not that I object to you copying my template to your page, I'm just saying, for future reference. All the best, --GOD OF JUSTICE 02:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I just realized that you had "This user supports the independence of Montenegro" on your page before that. I don't see how you can change opinions that fast. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with you using my template anymore... --GOD OF JUSTICE 02:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how you can believe that Montenegro declared independence as "a response against Great Serbian idea and ideology". The last time I was in Montenegro, I remember that about 80-90% of tourists that visited the Montenegro coastline were from the Serbian part of the State Union. Now, that's a lot of money invested in Montenegro's tourism. You also may realize that Montenegro, though equal in rights in every way, was only paying 5% of the Federal budget. That doesn't sound to me like a country that was oppressed by Greater Serbian Ideology, if anything, they were benefiting from it (if we assume that Greater Serbian ideology has anything to do with this, although I don't think it does). Lastly, Serbs and Montenegrins have so much in common, that it's impossible to tell each other apart. Putting an international borderline between the two states is also putting a border between the peoples, in a metaphorical sense. Unity? You support unity, you say? And yet you are happy that the UNION between Serbia and Montenegro disintegrated... Yes, I did come to the "Montenegro independence" template conclusion from your talk page, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. "We Yugoslavs" - were you also refering to yourself as well? And yet you consider yourself a Montenegrin. This is what I don't like - people who claim that they are for Yugoslavia, and for Brotherhood and Unity, and at the same time supporting irredentist movements, new languages created out of old dialects, and so on... check this out if you're interested, and you'll see a more extreme case of what I'm talking about. I still don't feel comfortable that you're using the template, considering your very conflicting opinions (well, there's only one truthfull opinion, the other one is not). I can't make you change or remove it, but I want you to know that your use of it is unwelcome on my side. --GOD OF JUSTICE 19:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see you're not responding to reason, but rather further making nebulous assumptions about my point of view and opinions on the topic. I cannot tell any South Slavic peoples apart, because we are all the same, and this is not because I don't know anything about us, but on the contrary. In my 60 years of life, I have experienced many different people from different backgrounds and, in essence, we are the same. I'm not talking about ethnic differences, politics, religion, thats all irrelevant. Expressing ourselves is something that must be allowed, but we also must aknowledge that we are one people. Serbia-Montenegro was the last hope for Yugoslavia. It was my last hope that one day, others will join and everything will be better, with a brand new Yugoslavia. Not only has that not happened, but the last hope diminished. And I'm sorry for being a little bit emotional, but after living in Yugoslavia for most of my life, I hope you understand. --GOD OF JUSTICE 00:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suradnik

Well, I first thought I just don't know Montenegrin as well as I thought and that I didn't talk to (proper) Montenegrins nor visit (proper) places in Montenegro. So I started asking around. Every single Wikipedian user from Montenegro and they all confirmed they never ever heard a Montenegrin say "suradnik" (except that one occasion of HRH Nikola).

This action of yours is very suspicious to me. --PaxEquilibrium 22:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also intrigued by your usage of the wording "Greater Serbia" (in that manner). It is not in such usage in Montenegro (ever, except by the horrible "dominion" of Jevrem Brkovic and similar). In that context (the movement for Greater Serbia most certainly did exist, but the wording you are using is a typical bad-faith variety used by many ultra-nationalists, including Serbian) it is only used still by Croatian nationalists (like frequently propagated through HRT, heavily under the influence of the "old HDZ") - even many Bosniac nationalists have.

Momisan, what's going on? --PaxEquilibrium 22:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if I seemed harsh, but people lying to me (or trying to deceive me in any way) is something very frustrating for me (as you might've figured out from the Afrika paprika case), due to the fact that I am extremely trusting (or as my friends call me, naive). I don't like when people try to make a fool out of me.

So in the end, are you saying that SUradnik is used after all? --PaxEquilibrium 09:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I just immediately connected you to the "Jevrem Brkovic corpus", who are (as you know) the worst scum of the earth. Sorry. --PaxEquilibrium 22:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:

Momisane, I am from Podgorica. When I am Podgorica, I hear the Podgoričani say pijaca, not pjaca. But whatever, I have a solution. Solution: why don't we just put p(i)jaca, easier for the both of us. --Crna Gora 20:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jevrem and SU

"Su" is a slightly-archaic alternative that mutated from the traditional Slavic "SO" in different areas like western Serbia, partly eastern Bosnia and of course, eastern Herzrgovina and Montenegro (with the Highlands). I've checked every possible Serbian/Montenegrin dictionary and find that it's ("Suradnik) absolutely no where and that checked it with many linguists.

I don't know if the Montenegrin language will some day in the future (if/after it gets formed) include "Suradnik" instead of "Saradnik" (rarely used; in this case the correct term is Korisnik) or use it over "Kolega", but neither can you know it, right? So why did you include it in the first place? --PaxEquilibrium 10:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for Jevrem; well, he is, like Vojislav Seselj, a racist and even chauvinist (but unlike Seselj also anti-semitic and even nazi-like). I think the two and those similar to them have caused a lot of pain and suffering to the (ex YU) world. How much can you believe people who use "kurac" and "pička" in their every second sentence? The two are very vulgar and obscene writers ("writers"...). And no, unlike Seselj (who was generation student at the Sarajevo University), Jevrem wasn't a very appealed student.

And of course I don't believe people that were ultra-nationalists of one nation - and then switch to the other. My uncle knows Brkovic from little age; in his youth Jevrem shared somewhat racist remarks on Croats and hatred towards Communists in general for "fabricating an artificial Montenegrin nation".

His views (I read some of his works, the only difference is that they're only a little less extreme than Seselj's "Kurva del Ponte" book for example) are not simply controversial, they're irredentist propaganda.

And lastly I do know Jevrem personally (though not a lot), but enough to see that he's not a very polite person from first sight. That's why people with similar actions like Milo Djukanovic, Novak Kilibarda and to an extent Ranko Krivokapic I cannot trust (perhaps tomorrow they're be Albanian fascists trying to exterminate Slavs in Montenegro...).

Oh and forgot one more thing - Jevrem did do criminal activities. How else do you think he could buy a personal jet airplane (he stashed a lot in the olden days, but I think he's spent right now)?

P.S. Do you live in Montenegro? --PaxEquilibrium 10:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, there was a certain man doing an interview with Jevrem. Jevrem tried to kill him. A lawsuit was dropped after he drew his hoards of lawyers. --PaxEquilibrium 22:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahm, no; we (I and the founder of montenegro wikipedia) skimmed through the dictionary of Montenegrin words different from other ordinary words. Suradnik was not there. So no, I don't that "suradnik" is used in Montenegrin language (depends what you mean by that - the language of the people that self-declare as Montenegrin, the Serbian language in Montenegro or this newly-forming Montenegrin language), and "su" is has become (bygone) very rare. The (new?) Montenegrin language of Vojislav Nikcevic and hiss fellas; well yeah sure, it's greatly (not wholly) archaic. There is no necessity to "replace" anything because the vast majority of the Montenegrin population both speaks Serbian and does not use archaisms (to an extent), so the people'd have to replace it all with the archaic Slavic.

The Croatian language uses Suradnik, but not "su ovim" (although even some do, if I'm not mistaken) - it's just linguistic evolution.

"Montenegrin" is part of Serbian only if you consider it "the language spoken by the majority of the people of Montenegro"; and it is not just something what I say, but it's something that simply is as it is. Nothing can give anyone the right to "purify" as you say - but that's just the opposite way - you'd have to enforce the (vast) majority of montenegrins by forcing them to use these archaisms in everyday life ("anomalies" is highly un-appropriate) - that which some extremist circles in Montenegro actually want. The funny thing about such occasions is that most of their demands (?) lie in the search for words that in some cases (like with "su" for example) are not even specifically indigenous solely to the lands in question (the necessity to differentiate from the Serbian language, which from one side is there for the linguistic protection of the [new?] language from confusion, but also a product of even somewhat nationalist xenophobia). Njegos & Miljanov lived and wrote over a century and a half ago and archaisms are things of intriguing interest, and not "pesky words" as you POV-ly present (in a sarcastic context). For your information by the way, Njegos and Miljanov never ever used the word "Suradnik" in their works (if such an occasion wasn't lost). According to your interpretation, Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic never ever in his life spoke Serbian, but Montenegrin and/or Bosnian, rather (hardly is "then's Serbian [or Croatian]" understandable to present-day). What language did all those Croatian renaissance writers write (that's completely different from the modern-day Croatian language)? What you need to realize is that all languages change and latently [de]evolve.

I didn't accuse you for anything and you are free to speak any language you desire; natural like French or artificial like Esperanto & Slovio or invent one by yourself - or choose to use none at all - but what you missed is that this has nothing to do with you personally. Problem (which was in the first place) is that you presented "Suradnik" for the MNE language template - which by the way should resemble the most typical wording of the language in question - which at least is not the most widely used word for English term's "User", and to my belief is not even a proper "montenegrin" word (never before you did I hear it, found not a single mention of it and every single wikipedian except you denied its usage in Montenegro). Due to the fact that that which you suggest is unsupported by all wikipedians who (should) know something about and that it's unsourced - you should offer a source to show the usage of the "Suradnik" word (and please do, I am anxious to see this because that surprised me and not many things manage to do that; I am very interested in seeing the "Suradnik" word in direct usage).

If there is anything that offended you, of course you have my apology (weird, I could swear I apologized to ya already for that partly uncivil post).

And as for Jevrem - I changed the opinions of hundreds of people regarding Milosevic; 3 of my acquaintances that adored Seselj and one fan of Djukanovic. I won't try to enforce my opinion to you, but I always had to ask various people across the internet that supported the Radicals (like Nikola Smolenski) or Vladimir Seks.. so sadly you'll have to forgive me for having to ask you too a similar question (especially taking to granted that which I just told you about the controversial character to the up). --PaxEquilibrium 19:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who do I work for

I don't work for anyone, I am on my studies; but it's funny that you mention; for I am (still) factually a member of a tiny, but global pacifist organization that enjoyed a lot of support and funding from the United Nations before 2000. It's goal was fighting (peacefully) for democracy and bringing the voice of freedom to totalitarian regimes and other forms of dictatorship (mostly the well-known dictators of Serbia/Yugoslavia, Montenegro and Belarus - all "operations" to Cuba and Iraq were moot). Due to the fact that Milosevic's no longer in power I maintain no connection with the rest of the dudes (and besides, everything good left for Africa to fight hunger & poverty or something around Ethiopia or somethin'...). One interesting thing was thought, that a friend of mine even credited that Milo Djukanovic's resignation to them. :D LOL.

This all might seem impressing to you, but I was just a little partially (read: completely) insignificant "cell" hanging out in circles of B92 that only did two major things in his "work": walking with 20,000 people demonstrating in the streets of Belgrade under the leadership of Zoran Djindjic and not so long ago celebrating the Orthodox New Year with 10,000 people in Podgorica in protest to Milo's regime which even wanted to ban the celebration (in a way). Does that answer your question? --PaxEquilibrium 19:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How's down there?

Any interesting news from down there (trying to improve the atmosphere, but am really interested)? We've got little news about the situation over there. Bring me in a little. Thanks (in advance). --PaxEquilibrium 22:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The users were OutLook, Sideshow Bob, and some other I cannot remember. One of the dictionaries is PRI$ET NA RJECNIK SV. PETRA CETINJSKOGA.

I don't understand - why did you ignore my question? --PaxEquilibrium 12:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No idea what you're talking about - not locked to me.

You didn't answer my question (why did you ignore it?). --PaxEquilibrium 00:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, man. :) Read that directly below "How's down there". --PaxEquilibrium 00:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad.

Also, sorry again - some of your comments like As a native Montenegrin, I DO NOT WANT to contribute to the Serbian, or any other South-Slav wikipedia. In the case of Serbian, they even deny the very existance of my nation and the language. Writing on their turf, I would just confirm that, let alone that I would have to adjust my language and bow to their standards, and that movie they will not see. I interpreted as somewhat racist & xenophobic. --PaxEquilibrium 14:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pests

"pests" illiciting information, probing, pestering, insulting, fuelling conflict were you referring to me... or you (Suradnik)? :) --PaxEquilibrium 14:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to be civil with you, however, that approach doesn't seem to work. From now on, your posts will be ignored and deleted, as I don't want to clog my page with your verbal diarrhea. If I had all time in the world or being paid to do it, like you probably are, perhaps I would reciprocate. The fact is that I don't so I would rather spend my time doing some useful work on the Wikipedia. Regards, Momisan 22:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. "Clog down", man. I only responded through a joke to lighten the atmosphere because I knew ya were referring to me (and it ya were, that's a severe personal attack).

Cheers, man. --PaxEquilibrium 00:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

I don't really pay attention to inane provocations and pointless conflicts, and clearly differ people who are here to contribute, and the ones whose only goal is presenting their personal view as truthful information. For some reason, certain people want to "Serbify" everything possible, and Montenegro-related subjects appear to be the primary target. However, recently I haven't noticed as many instances of such behaviour. My advice is to just ignore such things and concentrate on editing, rather that endless discussions leading nowhere. Keep up the good work, because there is still a lot of things for us to do, especially because there are so few Montenegrin editors. Cheers. Sideshow Bob 01:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed putting a Collaboration or "Articles needing attention" category on WikiProject Montenegro's page, because some articles are in desperate need of attention(for example Petar I and II, Duklja, Princedom of Montenegro, etc.). I'm not an expert in editing Project pages and such, but I'll try creating this category right now, feel free to add "critical" articles. Usually, I focus my attention on topics related to history, culture (primarily music), sports and somewhat politics, because those are the fields of my greatest interest, and there is a lot of work to do on them at the moment. Sideshow Bob 23:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to put the category on the Project's page, but a template has to be created first, and I don't really know how to do it. So, I'll just ask Crna Gora to add it, and then we'll just add the articles. Sideshow Bob 00:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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