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Andrew³²⁷ 07:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So there you are!

Nice article, Michael.

OperaJoeGreen (talk) 02:08, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, OperaJoe!

Novels

Mr Brachman, regarding your attempts to promote your novel on Wikipedia -- I strongly suggest that you read our guidelines on notability as it applies to books and to academics. You will also benefit from reading our guidelines on conflict of interest.

Regarding your achievements in research, in programming, and in writing instructional material -- although I fully grant that these are genuine, you have not provided any material from secondary sources to demonstrate notability. When writing an article about a person, one must supply not only the facts, but a context in which readers understand why they matter to anyone not directly involved.

I realize that this must be bitterly disappointing, and I apologize; however, please consider what Wikipedia would be like if we did allow hopeful authors to submit articles about their self-published works. DS (talk) 14:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific Discoveries

mlbphd here: how has being cited nearly 470 NOT notable? How is discovering that that a Nobel Prize winner Georg von Békésy was wrong to use static stimuli in his work on dead axons and I used dynamic stimuli on living neurons to prove that an individual auditory never fiber had enough response to explain hearing? Do I have to win a Nobel prize first? My work has been the basis of hundreds of articles and lines of research in circadian rhythms, computational models of hair cell transduction, designs of hearing aids, advanced surgical approaches, millions of dollars and grants - ALL VERIFIABLE. Did you even check any of the citations? They cite MY WORK. I feel a wrong has been done here. Forget the novels, what about the science?--Mlbphd (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem, Mr Brachman, isn't that anyone here feels that your work isn't worthwhile but that – as a tertiary source – our contents needs to be cited to secondary sources that are independent from the subject (I am certain you appreciate the importance of peer review as opposed to self-appraisal). What you need, in this case, is citations to what others have written about you. — Coren ^(talk) 17:28, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

mlbphd here - isn't that what the citations in Google Scholar demonstrate or does the copyrighted material within those articles discussing my work need to be abstracted and shown explicitly? Take the Science Article about Limulus circadian rhythms. You are saying that someone has to go through every one of those 160 citations and pull out the paragraph discussing my work and quote it? If not all 160, how many? Many, many of those articles were written by people I have never heard of, let alone know.

Here are two citations for my Science Article which was a breakthrough and revolutionary: Citation 1: Animal sleep: a review of sleep duration across phylogeny SS Campbell, I Tobler - Neuroscience & Biobehavioral Reviews, 1984 - Elsevier Abstract Sleep duration and placement within the twenty-four hour day have been primary indices utilized in the examination of sleep function. It is of value, therefore, to evaluate these variables in a wide range of animal species. The present paper examines the literature ...

Citation 2: The visual input stage of the mammalian circadian pacemaking system: I. Is there a clock in the mammalian eye? CE Remé, A Wirz-Justice, M Terman - Journal of biological …, 1991 - jbr.sagepub.com Abstract Threads of evidence from recent experimentation in retinal morphology, neurochemistry, electrophysiology, and visual perception point toward rhythmic ocular processes that may be integral components of circadian entrainment in mammals. ...

You are saying someone has to go in and pull out the actual sentences where the Science Article has been cited?

You are saying that citing the citations is insufficient? I look forward to your explanation--Mlbphd (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2013 (UTC) Mlbphd (talk) 18:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see where the misunderstanding comes from. In order to have an article about yourself, you need to have independent citations about you, and not your work. For instance, to meet the criteria as an academic, you want to have sources demonstrating that you meet this guideline. For example, you would automatically qualify if you "[...] received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level", which you'd then presumably source to the announcement by the institution granting the award that you were its recipient.

All of that said, however, we generally very much discourage people writing about themselves: while it is permissible to do so if you are careful, you will be subjected to considerable scrutiny – it's generally better to let other people write about oneself. — Coren ^(talk) 18:15, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ark Lords

The standards are basically that there should be enough reliable sources about the subject to write a Neutral point of view article about the subject. The worth or otherwise of the subject has no relevance.©Geni 20:19, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is required for an article about a book

Our guidelines are at WP:NBOOK. Summarized:

This page in a nutshell: A book is generally notable if it verifiably meets through reliable sources, one or more of the following criteria:

The book has been the subject^[1] of multiple, non-trivial^[2] published works whose sources are independent of the book itself.^[3] This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries and reviews. Some of these works should contain sufficient critical commentary to allow the article to grow past a simple plot summary. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.^[4]
The book has won a major literary award.
The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement.
The book is the subject of instruction at multiple elementary schools, secondary schools, colleges/universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country.^[5]
The book's author is so historically significant that any of his or her written works may be considered notable. This does not simply mean that the book's author is him/herself notable by Wikipedia's standards; rather, the book's author is of exceptional significance and the author's life and body of written work would be a common subject of academic study.

I hope this helps. Dougweller (talk) 06:34, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

^ The "subject" of a work means non-trivial treatment and excludes mere mention of the book, its author or of its publication, price listings and other nonsubstantive detail treatment.
^ "Non-trivial" excludes personal websites, blogs, bulletin boards, Usenet posts, wikis and other media that are not themselves reliable. An analysis of the manner of treatment is crucial as well; Slashdot.org for example is reliable, but postings to that site by members of the public on a subject do not share the site's imprimatur. Be careful to check that the author, publisher, agent, vendor. etc. of a particular book are in no way interested in any third party source.
^ Independent does not mean independent of the publishing industry, but only refers to those actually involved with the particular book.
^ Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the book. (See Wikipedia:Autobiography for the verifiability and neutrality problems that affect material where the subject of the article itself is the source of the material). The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself (or of its author, publisher, vendor or agent) have actually considered the book notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it.
^ This criterion does not include textbooks or reference books written specifically for study in educational programs, but only independent works deemed sufficiently significant to be the subject of study themselves, such as major works in philosophy, literature, or science.

[subject-1] The "subject" of a work means non-trivial treatment and excludes mere mention of the book, its author or of its publication, price listings and other nonsubstantive detail treatment.

[nontrivial-2] "Non-trivial" excludes personal websites, blogs, bulletin boards, Usenet posts, wikis and other media that are not themselves reliable. An analysis of the manner of treatment is crucial as well; Slashdot.org for example is reliable, but postings to that site by members of the public on a subject do not share the site's imprimatur. Be careful to check that the author, publisher, agent, vendor. etc. of a particular book are in no way interested in any third party source.

[independent-3] Independent does not mean independent of the publishing industry, but only refers to those actually involved with the particular book.

[selfpromotion-4] Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the book. (See Wikipedia:Autobiography for the verifiability and neutrality problems that affect material where the subject of the article itself is the source of the material). The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself (or of its author, publisher, vendor or agent) have actually considered the book notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it.

[textbooks-5] This criterion does not include textbooks or reference books written specifically for study in educational programs, but only independent works deemed sufficiently significant to be the subject of study themselves, such as major works in philosophy, literature, or science.

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