User talk:Mkenny6
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IZ*ONE
[edit]IZ*ONE being billed as a "South Korean–Japanese girl group" is not misleading when the TV show was a collaboration between Mnet and the Japanese 48 group. It'd be different, if say, on season one if Ng Sze Kai had made it into the I.O.I. line-up; then it being hypothetically called a "South Korean–Hong Kongese girl group" would be misleading. But not with IZ*ONE, when a Japanese entity is directly involved in their conception and management. diplomat’s son (talk+contrib) 01:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'm assuming 67.187.85.200 is a secondary account—I've sent you messages here to come to an understanding and air out any grievances you may have, before opening a discussion on the main page itself. Explaining yourself by edit summary only is not productive when dealing with a contentious issue such as this, especially when there are three parties involved now. My comment about it being a "recurring issue" was not in reference to the topic at hand, rather the constant stylization changes taking place on the page. You being of Korean nationality does not make you an expert on the topic either, even then, as Wikipedia require you cite sources, you have not embedded any citations as of yet. Please be civil. diplomat’s son (talk+contrib) 02:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Diplomat's Son: Not only that, many sources use "South Korean-Japanese", including Billboard, The Korea Herald and The Korea Times. I have provided sources for the phrase but the user removes them. Heolkpop (talk) 02:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- If Heolkpop has sources to back up the statement, then I think that's sufficient enough. Mkenny6, if you disagree, please give sources as to why. You being Korean doesn't meet the criteria for being a reliable source. If you continue to edit against consensus, there may be issues with competency on your part. lullabying (talk) 03:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Mkenny6: Wikipedia goes by what wp:reliable sources state. Please see wp:No original research regarding our opinions. Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 04:19, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Mkenny6: Please discuss on talk:IZ*ONE. Please add wp:RS which supports your desired edits. See help:talk pages and wp:BRD Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 04:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Edit warring at Iz One
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Your recent editing history at Iz One shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. lullabying (talk) 04:34, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Talk pages
[edit]If you don't or won't "join talks", then please don't edit the article. See help:talk pages for a basic how-to guide. If you don't start/join a discussion, you will likely be wp:blocked. Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 04:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Second warning at Iz One
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Please stop your disruptive editing.
- If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
- If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. You noted that you don't know to join a talk. Just go to Talk:Iz One#Nationality dispute and put your comments there. Do not edit against consensus. lullabying (talk) 04:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Do not depend on only the source! That is just an wording to emphasize the reality show’s characteristic.
Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Mkenny6 reported by User:Jim1138 (Result: ). Thank you. Jim1138 (talk) 05:46, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 01:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
@ EdJohnston This girl group is not based on the J-pop. Iz One was created by Korean reality show "Produce 48". They are composed of nine Koreans and three Japanese. This is one of many K-pop groups and not on the genre of J-pop. I don't understand why you guys are putting K-pop and J-pop together. Billboards informed like that? I've never heard of it. Do you guys probably think that this is on the genre of J-pop because of three Japanese? No sense. What about TWICE with also three Japanese girls? Do you think TWICE is also from J-pop as well? As K-pop fan, I literally worry that your information would give the wrong and distorted impression to people who don't know really well or are curious about this girl group. There's a Korean expression like "Do not put a spoon on it" which means that "Do not interfere without doing much". J-pop did not make a big contribution to the birth of this group and their songs are all K-pop. Why do you keep putting together the J-pop genre? Are you all very Japan friendly? I honestly feel that the words "South Korean and Japanese girl-group" are wrong, but I will just endure it. However, it is a strange thing that the genre is marked with K-pop and J-pop. And it is so ridiculous. I hope that you do not mix J-pop with the great achievements that K-pop has achieved in the meantime.
Cut it out
[edit]If you keep editing contrary to Reliable Sources, nay, removing those sources as you do it, you are going to get yourself an INDEF. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 18:46, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- The fact is that this group is K-pop girl group and not for J-pop!
- The first source cited in the article says otherwise - it explicitly states "hybrid K-pop J-pop". Unless you get a set of sources either more reliable, or more numerous and equally reliable, then it stays. Verifiability not truth. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 18:51, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'm going to be very nice to you, since you have started to vaguely engage on the talk page. You can either self revert your blatant WP:3RR violation here, or you're going to WP:ANEW, again. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 18:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'm just trying to make sure the fact and correct the distorted one! The impression from this a little bit wrong information is that trying to push Japan into a group that k-pop has created. Why? This is too crude, isn't it? Even, I'm suspicious that you would be a Japanese-friendly user. Otherwise, you should agree that this is an obvious k-pop group. Please do not distort the facts.
- This isn't about the genre being right or wrong. There are dispute resolution processes, starting with the talk page. Discuss it on the talk page and reach consensus. I don't have a dog in this fight, I just saw this unfolding from Recent Changes. I became involved since you were violating Wikipedia policies on Verifiability and Edit Warring. If you can't work within policy, then the disruption caused is not worth it, and you get blocked. If you can work within policy, you can discuss issues with other editors, provide evidence for your assertions, and you will get things done. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 19:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'm just trying to make sure the fact and correct the distorted one! The impression from this a little bit wrong information is that trying to push Japan into a group that k-pop has created. Why? This is too crude, isn't it? Even, I'm suspicious that you would be a Japanese-friendly user. Otherwise, you should agree that this is an obvious k-pop group. Please do not distort the facts.
Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Mkenny6 reported by User:Bellezzasolo (Result: ). Thank you. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 19:05, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
November 2018
[edit] You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Iz One.
You must not edit war. Please self-revert immediately and use the article's talk page to try to get consensus in favour of your change. If the source is not reliable it is up to you to show why it should not be trusted. bonadea contributions talk 19:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Hello? Why do you think that I'm editing war? What for reason? I just want to make correct your wrong information. Please be strict to deal with the fact. Why do you think that this group is J-pop as well? Iz One was created by Korean reality competition show "Produce 48". Although there were Japanese idols in the show, do you say the group created by the show is based on both K-pop and J-pop? Why do you keep pushing Japan into the K-pop entertainment industry? This is a free ride to K-pop popularity. The sources you're blessing is just superficial. If you know the background of this group and K-pop news nowadays, you naturally know that this group is one of many K-pop groups. Please think about the people who never know K-pop or this group and they search it and see the Wikipedia. How would they think once they saw this distorted fact? They would think that this group was made of J-pop as well. But this is not true, isn't it? You have to stop delivering any piece of the wrong fact to the people. This is my point and I swear I'm not trying the edit warring!!
- I do not know why you edit war, but that is what you are doing. When several different editors revert your changes, you have to stop changing back to your preferred version. Instead you need to use the article's talk page and explain why you do not believe that the source in the article is reliable. After (not before) other editors have said that they agree with you, you can restore your changes. But right now, nobody agrees with you - there is a consensus against the change you want to make. --bonadea contributions talk 20:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comments from Mkenny6
Okay, I see. I understand what you're saying finally. So if I don't agree with something, I have to leave a message on the talk page at first. Right? I just didn't know this way of doing in here. Okay, I'll do afterward. Nevertheless, what I mentioned about the genre issue, it should be kept as the fact. Again, the group "Iz One" was created by Korean reality competition show "Produce 48". Although there were Japanese in the show and finally three members were chosen, it cannot say that this group is based on J-pop as well. This way is like putting the spoon for free and so crude behavior. People who don't know K-pop or J-pop or this group origination would misunderstand that the group was created by J-pop industry, but this is totally not true. It must be prohibited to give any distorted fact to people. That is the point from me. So please leave the genre as K-pop.
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 21:35, 12 November 2018 (UTC)