User talk:MissyMaddie
Hazret means Holy ...and Hazretleri means the Holiness... Hazret is a high Word...
Also there is today 25 Shehzades and any other Person who are claimed is false.
But there war also Descendants of Cem Sultan, there are Christian-Catholics, and not Heir's of the former Ottoman Throne.
Also there is the Amuca Kabilese = Uncle's Clan...Amuca means Amca and Amca means Uncle of the Paternal Branch... The Amucas are the descendants of Osman Gazi's older Brother's: Gündüz Alp Gazi and Saru Batu Savci Bey. This Clan was settled in Thrace, who is today in three Country's---Bulgaria,Turkey and Greece. Mostly of the Amucas came to Turkish Part of Thrace... My Grandfather was a Amuca...I have my Family Tree, a lot of male relative's made a Y-DNA Test, and show's as J2 Branch...This interessting now, because mostly Turks in Turkey are not of Central Asia... R1 are same Haplo as the Brahmanis (Higher Upper Class of India), than migrated to Tadjkistan and what we know today Kirgizstan... So the Ottoman Sehzades have the same J2 Y-DNA.
Dilek2 (talk) 15:19, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
There was a new Shehzade born on June 6, 2012 in London. He is the son of Prince Mahmud Efendi. I have added him in and referenced the news stories in the Turkish press.
Can you provide any references for the Y-DNA test section? I have asked several of the Shehzades living in London and none of them gave a sample to be tested. MissyMaddie (talk) 17:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear MissyMaddie It was Prince Sertan Sultan http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?uid&letter&lastname=sultan&viewuid=94A9M&p=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.115.181 (talk) 20:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello MissyMaddie... I want to said, that only my male relatives made this Test: http://www.igenea.com/en/index.php?c=21 This'I told in Facebook in Turkish Group's...than I got from different Turkish People the answer's: the sehzades in Istanbul have the same Y-DNA... But, it will be very interesting now, if any Sehzade made this Test, it's not expensive... You know, many Turks and other's claimed to be a Ottoman Sehzade...but that's not truth!!!...also they claimed there are descendants of Ertogrul...this is also not truth!!!. This was the reason why male Members of the Amuca Kabilesi testes her Y-DNA. Only we Amuca tribe, are the descendant of Osman's oldest Brother Gündüz Gazi. You can find many Information of us in Turkish language. Our Homeland was Thrace in the Ottoman Imperia, and than we was also the Valis of the Vilayet Edirne. But, we no claimed to be Heirs of the Ottoman Throne...never! This is not in our Oppinion. We are love and respected our Big Cousin's...nothing else.
We are no Sehzades!!!
Our male members title are Emirzâde.
Female members are Hatun.
Dilek2 (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Is he a' legitime Ottoman Prince?
[edit]Sometime's I wondering me about this Person:
Şehzade Mehmed Selim Orhan Efendi (1943) (II. Abdülhamit)???
Mehmed Selim Orhan is the son of Şehzade Mehmed Orhan Efendi, who was a descendant of II. Abdülhamit, but he is not listed as a Heir...Isn't it?
First marriage: Şehzade Mehmed Orhan married in January 1933, the Egyptian Nafiye Yeghen, the marriage ended in divorce. From this marriage he have a daughter: Fatma Necla Sultan (b. 1933), reconized by the House of Osman.
Second marriage: Şehzade Mehmed Orhan married, in 1943 the French Irma Margaret Fournier, the marriage ended in divorce. From this marriage he got a son: Mehmet Selim Orhan (b. 1943), reconized? What it's happend?
Just he is in the list, but he wasn't before in all the Year's listed as a Heir of the Ottoman Throne.
Dilek2 (talk) 21:15, 16 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilek2 (talk • contribs)
Another Fault
[edit]Şehzade Orhan İbrahim Efendi 1959 • Spouse: Rita Eid 1966 • Children: Perihan Sultan 1963, Gülhan Sultan 1968
Perihan and Gülhan are the sister's to Orhan and not his Children.
Perihan and her sister Gülhan are Single's, and her Brother Orhan Ibrahim is childless.
But I see this fault here: http://www.ottomanfamily.com/index.php?page=2
Dilek2 (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC))
Fehime Sultan's secret child
[edit]Fehime Sultan married secondly Mahmut Behcet Bey in 1910, but this Marriage was not accepted by her Uncle Mehmed V.
Mahmut Behcet had two sons of his former marriage: Hüseyin and Mustafa
in 1911 he got the father of a daughter, called Nemzade, she is dead 2000 in september.
No damat was allowed to have another wife together with a ottoman sultan
Als Fehime Sultan was untile 1918 - 1922 a spy for Mustafa Kemal...there are many Articles in Turkish.
The Girl Nemzade who was born 1911 can't be reconized in the Ottoman Dynasty...because the marriage was reconized and allowed in this Time by Mehmed V. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sünnetliyim (talk • contribs) 04:56, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I saw her Grave in Babaeski,Turkey...she is born 1911, no birhtday was given...I think it was 13.9.2000 she dead.
Nemzade was not a common turkish female name, this was in the same style as Hanzade, zade allways means...Asil=Noble Person.
I got asked about her, because who she was...I got the answer...that there is a top secret about her, and her descendants doesn't want allowed to tell her Story.
Strange... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.149.132 (talk) 18:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
MissyMaddie (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2013 (UTC) Do you have any proof of this story? Any evidence? Any document, or first person interview? I not, and it is an unsubstantiated rumor, you should probably not repeat it.
Mrs. Sutton , o yes there is the Birthcertficate of the Turkish Republic of Nemzade Hatice Hanimsultan born 1911 - deceased 2000. Fehime Sultan second marriage with Behcet Bey wasnt reconized by the Ottoman Dynasty, because her Uncle Mehmed V. (Resad) doesnt give his permission. Behceyt Bey was never styled as a Damat, he was 5 years younger as Fehime, the girl of this marrigae was nemzade hatice hanım, never reconized also, in 1918 Fehime got the acceptance of her marriage from her other Uncle Mehmed VI (Vahidettin). But not for her daughter, because it can be. She was born 1911, and in this time the marriage wasnt reconized by the house of Ottoman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.116.147 (talk) 15:55, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Excluded from the Imperial House in 1931
[edit]The Grandson of Sultan Abdülaziz, Mahmud Shevket (1903, Istanbul - 1973, France) was expelled and deprived of the title of Prince and the style of His Highness from the Imperial House of Osman by His Imperial Majesty, the last Caliph Abdülmecid II. in 1931. He d. in France 1973, having had issue:
- (a) HIH Princess Hamide Nermin Nezahat Sultana [1923 - 1998] by his first Marriage with a Grandaughter of Sultan Abdülhamid II.
Second Marriage, Children and descendant's not recognized by the Imperial House and his Tail Male line not Heir's of the Ottoman Throne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.126.99 (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Fehime Sultan was childless
[edit]The so called Nemzade was not her daughter, this is a fault. Her second Husband Mahmud have two children from his former Marriage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.126.99 (talk) 23:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Dear MissyMaddie
[edit]It was Prince Sertan Sultan who made a DNA Test, and shows he belongs to Y-DNA J2
http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?uid&letter&lastname=sultan&viewuid=94A9M&p=0