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Date formats

Your recent edits to the Annot derailment article introduced dates in mdy format, whereas the article is written in dmy format. Will you please correct this? Mjroots (talk) 20:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

@Mjroots: There is no dmy template, plus, it doesn't realy matter, does it?--Mishae (talk) 20:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Template or no template, the format was established by the editor who created the article (me!). Having a mixture of formats looks scruffy and is not in accordance with WP:TIES. Mjroots (talk) 21:08, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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Deadurl removal

Why did you remove the deadurl parameters? Those are there so that readers can link to the active page, and are very helpful parameters to have. Sock (pka Corvoe) (be heard)(my stuff) 20:01, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

For your information

  • "deadurl=no" is for when an archived link has been provided but the original link has not yet gone dead. It has the effect of sending the reader first to the original link. Without it, the reader is sent first to the archived link even though the original link is still working, which is a non-optimal outcome.
  • In "cite news" we do not normally use the "publisher" parameter unless the news source in question is particularly obscure. In the case of mainstream media, "publisher=BBC" or "publisher=Guardian News and Media" is just unhelpful clutter when you already have, e.g., "work=BBC News" or "newspaper=The Guardian", respectively. (However, there are other Guardians than the one in London so we still need "location=London" in the latter case.)
  • Best wishes, Alarics (talk) 09:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Citing newspapers

You have not understood correctly. It is not the case that The Observer is published by The Guardian. Both are published by Guardian News and Media. In practice, "publisher" is not a helpful parameter in the case of mainstream newspapers or magazines, and it should be omitted. For example, what The Observer needs to disambiguate it is not the name of its publisher (which can change over time; the paper has existed since 1791, but only since 1993 has it been published by Guardian News and Media), but its city of publication, which is the traditional means of uniquely identifying a newspaper (to avoid confusion with papers called Observer in Uganda, Sri Lanka, Jamaica, Queensland, etc.). So it should be "|newspaper=The Observer |location=London" and leave the "publisher" parameter blank, or preferably delete it altogether. (Of course, "location" is not required when the city's name is already part of the newspaper's name, as in The New York Times.) -- Alarics (talk) 21:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Udonis Haslem: consistent internal spacing

Hey, Mishae. I have not reverted your substantive edits to Udonis Haslem, although I have restored the pre-existing consistent internal spacing. As a courtesy to those of who work on certain articles regularly, I ask that you not alter the established consistent internal spacing of such articles. I have attempted to explain this in my previous edit summaries, but you have reacted in angry manner regarding a non-substantive manner. Such spaces are permitted by the Manual of Style per MOS:PUNCTSPACE because such spaces are not displayed, but they do make editing within the edit dialog easier by making it easier to discern terminal punctuation, individual sentences, and footnotes.

BTW, WP:3RR states that no editor should make more than three reversions to a given article within 24 hours, and violating the rule subjects the editor to being blocked. Please note the rule refers to more than three reversions -- not three reversions. Hopefully, you will not feel that further such reversions will be necessary with this explanation. Thank you for your understanding. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:45, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@Dirtlawyer1: First of all, following around and revert edits by me is considered in my opinion to be WP:Harassment (correct me if I miss intrepid the rule). Second consistent spacing from what I heard was usually referred to articles about Britain or Australia. This article however, is on a US player so those rules are not applied here. Third, if you are so worried about consistent spacing why not make it to every article? Like, I think you are paranoid with consistent spacing same way as I am paranoid with its removal. Maybe its just an individual preference that I usually tend to ignore because there is a ton of editors and appease everyone's wants and needs tend to be difficult, especially when you have made-belief vandals, that I don't catch because someone will be ahead of me. As far as my angry manner goes, I have autism, and yes, I did viewed your reverts as harassment and therefore wasn't happy. I bet if someone would have reverted several of your edits, just because someone lets say, don't like double spacing, and you come in and do it, you will probably feel the same way.--Mishae (talk) 14:42, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  • FYI, Mishae, I did not intend to harass you in any way, nor follow your edits anywhere. Udonis Haslem graduated from the University of Florida -- my alma mater -- where he played for the Florida Gators basketball team. Over a third of my own edits are made to University of Florida-related articles, I have made significant edits to the Haslem article in the past, and it has been on my watch list for 5+ years. It is not my intention to interfere with your substantive edits in any way, to this article or any other. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:05, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mishae, I've been working on fixing dead links, and I've come across some of your edits which I find perplexing. Why have you been changing the "date" parameter of {{dead link}} templates from "August 2014" to "September 2014", as you did, for example, in this edit? —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Nigel Farage

I introduced some single spaces between the parameters of references as I was going along in editing Nigel Farage and I noticed you came along and immediately removed them again. Why did you do this? The spaces are not essential but they are not doing any harm. In my view they make editing a little easier. Please do not remove these spaces when I have gone to the trouble of putting them in. Thank you -- Alarics (talk) 06:37, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

@Alarics: Maybe you shouldn't have gone over them? In this case suit yourself. In my case the spaces just useless, yes, they made easier to edit for some, but for me it goes the other way around. And if they are not essential then why are you concerned?--Mishae (talk) 06:56, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Because I prefer them to remain, and I went to the trouble of putting them in. I cannot see how it can make any difference to you. I put them in whenever I edit references in an article, because it makes editing a little easier. I am just asking you not to undo my work for no good reason, given that it does not affect how the reader sees it. -- Alarics (talk) 13:06, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
@Alarics: Did I ever reverted your edits? No. Then quit complaining about something that is not essential. I did that edit along with addition of a ref. Just FYI, I use a 23" monitor, so for me to have refs without spacing is preferred because it floats on the screen. Another thing, I spent time arguing with you till 3 am last night!--Mishae (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Before you will talk about my edits, lets talk about yours. This is your edit and this is your revert of the same edit. Why did you do it? Hmm?--Mishae (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Surely it must be obvious to you that that was simply an honest mistake by me, which I reverted immediately. I got confused by the screen that comes up when there is an edit conflict. I thought you had done with editing the page and then you started editing it again so we were both trying to edit it at the same moment. Please try to be helpful instead of being unreasonable. -- Alarics (talk) 08:37, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, so it was my fault that my edit conflicted with yours? Edit conflicts are natural and there shouldn't be a blame game, its not an edit war for gods sake. Now, as far as an obvious mistake goes, I thought that you just got tired and decided to do a test edit. Many new users (mostly vandals) do a test edit instead of using sandbox after which usually Clue Bot ({{Bot}}) comes and reverts it, saying that your edit was either vandalism or test. At first, I wanted to come to your talkpage and ask if you are O.K. Like, maybe you are tired and is in need of a {{Wikibreak}}, because Wikipedia can be exhausting for some users, you know, so many articles to fix, so little time. But I decided not to do it, since it will rude of me to point an experienced user like yourself to take a break or retire ({{Retired}}) because I don't know how long you have been here. Now, I hope I am not being personal, but sometimes even experienced users loose control, temper, (sometimes even brain cells), and start doing destructive editing which is not allowed under Wikipedia policy. I'm glad that you are not there yet, and I look forward for some friendship. --Mishae (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Before I forget, I also should mention that saying that you prefer this or that in a specific article, might go against the ownership rule and WP:ILIKEIT. Again, if I said something here that is personal, I would like to apologize in advance and to remind you that my way of thinking and speaking might be different from you due to my language barrier (though it doesn't prevent me from writing good articles). --Mishae (talk) 00:01, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks very much for your work on cleaning-up citations at Battle in Shakhtarsk Raion. If you have time, please consider doing the same for Battle of Ilovaisk. Your work is greatly appreciated! RGloucester — ☎ 01:33, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

@RGloucester: You know comrade, I was about to you ask that on your talkpage but you got to mine first. I will be more than happy to do it, but the current article is in development as of 1 September 2014 with refs retrieved by today, which means that there might be more tomorrow. So, I will halt on it for a while, meanwhile, there is an upcoming Battle for Mariupol which should begin either today or tomorrow (at least according to Gazeta.ru and Donbas insurgents. I will be happy to give you a link, but it will be in Russian and I assume this is not your language?--Mishae (talk) 19:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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For your tireless efforts towards fixing references. KUTGW! LRD 16:04, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
@LRD NO: Thanks, I however only do archiving but I do appreciate it. What fixes are you thanking me for for example?--Mishae (talk) 17:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Converting bare refs, fixing dead links, correcting parameters and archiving too. I work mainly on association football articles and have found your help useful on many occasions. LRD 00:08, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. It took forever to someone recognize my efforts when it comes to archives. Like, majority of people treat it as not a big deal.--Mishae (talk) 01:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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TPS

Hello MISHAE, this is former user ALWAYS LEARNING here,

regarding this message (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SLBedit), i have absolutely no problem with people that add stuff to a message i wrote to someone else. But i have trouble understanding a part of your comment, so please explain it to me: when you say "...you can't assume or accuse someone of vandalizing an article what user SLBedit wasn't trying to do.", do you mean that i, in my original message, have accused said user of being a vandal or akin? I have not done such a thing, and if it sounds like it i had no intention of doing it, sincerely; do i complain (or bitch, as i have been often accused of doing!) about vandals when i spot them and report duly? Most certainly, fellow user! However, i have not accused Mr. SLB of anything related to vandalism (again, don't know if that is what you are implying, if not, think nothing of this bit), only conveyed to him my mood after finding out BY MYSELF about a message where i am being discussed in what seems to be a negative light in another user's page.

Also (more doubts, and i am expressing them politely, so if you could provide the corresponding "wiki-enlightment" that would be neat), what do you mean by "...your constant complains can be viewed as trolling". Could you please provide an example of when i incurred in that behaviour (and your use of "constant" is also not making me feel all that comfortable, if you don't mind me saying so)?

Attentively, from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 04:07, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, first of all I would like to cautiously mention that in English we use capital I no matter weather its in the beginning of sentence or not. Second, you don't need to capitalize every word, otherwise it looks like like you are screaming at me. Third, I might be wrong, but when I saw this it gave me (and still does), a feeling that you are pretty much not as much complaining as much as harassing and its considered to be disruptive and you can be blocked for it. I hope I gave you plenty of enlightment. As a side note, I wish you to retire as an editor who learned some thing or two, not a dick. Keep in mind I don't call you it, just my hopes and wishes. Greetings from Rússia!--Mishae (talk) 05:07, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I have to appreciate your sincerity of course (no sarcasm there). But, a few "pointers" my fellow editor: 1 - the only words I capitalized were our wikinames at the beginning of the post (I do that in every message, or close to that, no screaming there) and "by myself", that also was not for screaming, but to emphasize; 2 - if "complaining" sounded unfair, I won't begin to tell you what does "harassing" sound like. In eight years, I've been harassed, insulted, stalked, and the lot. Today, I found out about a fellow user discussing me in - i repeat - what seemed a negative light, and i was also not notified so that I could present some form of defense, and you say that when you read it (first impression) you said it looked like harassing and a few hours later (with a cool head) it still does?

Man, it hurts like hell, but I have to respect your opinion, especially when you are doing it with a good intention and politely. Don't worry, I won't "harass" Mr. SLB, you or anyone here anymore, just doing my bit until i finally call it quits. Learned a thing or two during my stay? Most certainly I have, of all colours and shapes...

I also commend you on the reference archives work you have been doing since (at least) the 2014 FIFA World Cup, kudos on that hard work. P.S. Please take a look at this exchange that led to my second retirement and vanishing (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107, keep in mind that, after it became clear that i was going to retire, the other person went to several users' pages that had just received a briefing from me and taunted me saying "Bye AL"; at the end of his talkpage, the first guy that drove me away from WP, sent him a message urging him to stay strong - well both were blocked), would you say that here i was also the harasser or maybe i was the harassed one? Please be sincere like before in your approach/comment.

Attentively --84.90.219.128 (talk) 06:37, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Only now noticed the additional message you sent to Mr. TOS, really gut-wrenching. I can promise the activity of which i am being accused (you can call it harassment, i know what i did) stops here, no one will ever accuse me of anything anymore. In the meantime, i would really appreciate you showed the same commitment if you saw that i was being discussed for no reason in other people's pages.

Goodbye, won't bother anyone anymore here at WP --84.90.219.128 (talk) 08:21, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Sorry to continue to engage in conversation with you, just two items and then I finalize it: 1 - Mr. SLBedit removed several posts, not just mine, maybe he still has not heard of the archiving service WP has for messages, so he cleaned up manually, i did it like that too before a kind user installed it on my page without me asking; 2 - from what I read in Mr. Tiderolls page, are you saying this is me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107)?! Totally the opposite, this is a user that harassed me and taunted me, I thought I explained it thoroughly in my message before this one.

So, I am harassing/hounding other users, and in your opinion and I also a sockpuppet. Fair enough (and of course I will not receive any apologies from you after you receive this message - i'll repeat it again lest there remain any doubt, I am not 188.81.115.107, I am 84.90.219.128 and was previously User:Always Learning, am I not speaking English?), rest assured that you or Tiderolls or any other user will not receive any more messages discussing anything other than contents, if I break that promise feel free to report me.

Sorry for going against WP policies, was not my intention --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:34, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Apology accepted, sorry for dragging this for so long and to other users' pages (I was looking for assurance next to the few users that have always supported me and my antics throughout my wikistay, I am only human too, just like you said). --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

And thank you very much for the star, feel moved by your action. You keep up the good work too, regards --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:40, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

And you know, that's what good editor does. As a side note: Your comments became a lot better and now I can understand you even more. :)--Mishae (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

On a related note, I have already issued a note of apology to all the users (needlessly?) involved. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:07, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Appreciated.--Mishae (talk) 22:44, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I would have liked it tremendously that "involved" was my last word about this situation, but find out that not, it will not. But please note, I am writing the following note with caution, politeness and akin: please tell me if you can, if the situation had been resolved, why did you still go to User:Writ Keeper's page and provide more evidence of my past conversations, portraying me as the sole "bad guy" who is breaking all these rules and turning this into a forum?

It's a good thing that you mention the "Wikipedia police" sentence in your last report. The term came to life as follows: I saw something that was poorly constructed in Jorge Jesus' article (as you see, I am discussing content, not editor!), proceeded to clean it up and had the courtesy to message the fellow editor that had engaged in the editing errors. The result, I receive an aggressive message where I am called WP police (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vanished_user_201913&diff=536970310&oldid=536829869, if you have trouble with the Portuguese, i'll gladly translate it) for wanting to improve articles and discuss contents. So, you only know half of the situation, but still proceed to utter the "guilty verdict".

Please keep in mind, I was polite as can be, so please do reply to the simple questions: 1 - if the situation had been resolved, why the follow-ups? 2 - this situation is closed as far as I am concerned, is it still an open case for you? Thank you, I would most definitely appreciate the feedback, and I apologize in advance if anything said in this last message was/seemed out of hand.

P.S. I was blocked once during my eight years, for disruptive summaries towards vandals. In the light of the WP guidelines though, it was well deserved. For contents' disputes and interactions with 99,999999999999999% of the fellow users, not one single problem. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 13:50, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

My account

Replying to your doubt: indeed, I had the Always Learning account. After being harassed by a user who finally was blocked (be prepared for a heavy read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_87#Sergio_Busquets_and_M.C3.ADchel_Salgado), I was left teetering on the brink (should I retire or not?), but gave it another shot.

However, after the second run-in, with the "person" (quotation marks intentional, the harassment there was even worse than the first time) I was mistaken for god knows why (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107, and he was blocked too), I decided that I had had enough and asked User:Writ Keeper to vanish my account. I was totally sure I would leave the site, never to return.

However, since my personal life is not very interesting (and let's leave it at that), I find that I need this hobby more than I don't need this hobby. I suppose i'll retire when I retire, but don't feel that having an account would be such a plus for me, so I edit like this; also, since this IP I have is static, I'm easily caught if people want to accuse me (again) of any wrongdoing.

Hope this answers your question, have a nice weekend and stuff from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Giovanni Simeone

Thanks for your help. I did some enhancement now, take a look. :) Cheers, MYS77 ✉ 13:40, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@MYS77: Gigantic thanks! Will archive those soon. I wanted to put those links as refs but was confused by its Spanish/Portuguese language and they looked a lot like forum articles to me. Glad that you decided to include them!--Mishae (talk) 19:34, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

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Columbine High School protests

@Baffle gab1978: Well that's a nice present right before my birthday. Thank you very much!--Mishae (talk) 02:10, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Precious

beetles
Thank you, frequently smiling user, for hundreds of quality articles articles on insects alone, and so many more on plants and on people not only from Russia and Ukraine, for welcoming new users, for adding precision, also to infoboxes, for asking for them, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

Sorry; I missed your birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Its fine. You got me a birthday gift already, and weather it will come a day or two later it doesn't matter.--Mishae (talk) 17:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
I met you at Georges Bizet whose birthday you share ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:57, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
How odd, to be honest there is much closer people such as Galina Vishnevskaya. But, to each his own I guess... Its odd though that my birthday falls on births of various composers, musicians, singers, and sportsmen.--Mishae (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
I read her article but didn't look who contributed, but on Bizet's talk, I saw your name behind an idea that I share. I met these and her. Could you perhaps help this article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Sure. The article in my opinion is in need of some wikifications, reference wise it have plenty of those, but I might find some more, although I am no expert in composers... However, I did wrote one article on a drummer here Chris Parker, so I might be knowledgeable, but that was just a shear coincidence that I wrote about him and Lea Ivanova (was looking for a notable WWII commander of the last name).--Mishae (talk) 18:35, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for ce! I linked two of my articles that were misspelled, - I wonder how many more orchestras etc could be found. What troubles me more is the language, with "Yury" instead of last name, many not so encyclopedic terms, and way too much detail also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 645th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for remembering, but this year I was busy archiving, and I assume people decided to pass on me this time. I'm not upset though, someone already awarded me with a barnstar this year for the massive archiving and fixing numerous dead links!--Mishae (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Awesome is for ever ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism and civility

Mishae, without further ado,

I apologize for breaking yet another WP rule, however I am having a really hard time managing not to react the way I do whenever I see vandalism of this caliber (the mentioned Reuben Gabriel article, where the "user" seems to say "No one will write a negative thing about my favorite player, ever!"). I have told several admin/users I will not protest one bit if the day should come when I am again blocked (like I tell you some lines above, was blocked once for the same reason), and will duly accept my punishment. But these lowlife vandals really drive me up the walls, maybe it's my fault to know that I cannot react with a cool head to their antics and still remain here nonetheless.

In the meantime, could you do me a favour? Could you or someone drop by in the anon "user"'s page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.175.196.37 here) and warn him for the removal of valid and sourced info? That would, more or less, "even up the score". I can, on my part, promise this: I will stay away from editing a few days, to cool it off a bit.

Happy week --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

  • As you may have noticed, I did not stay true to my promise, and only stayed away from editing a few hours. However, I did cool off a bit, better than nothing I suppose.

A friendly question now if you don't mind (no agenda, just wanting to learn as my former username implied): why do you archive the references - like in Alexander Farnerud for example - when they are still working? I thought people only did that when the url went "dead".

Regards --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:35, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Because going after every single possibly dead link is tedious. Look at it this way, most links will end up dead either way, right? Plus, I don't see anywhere in the rules where it says that users shouldn't touch links that aren't dead. For example, I did marked some links that were dead and I archived those that were not, however, you should give me a credit instead of being suspicious. Sometimes it is easier to archive an undead one because in case if it will go dead then you can alternate it. So, yeah, I don't see a problem here. I give you an example here: Marcelo Larrondo there is 3 dead links, but guess what? Since there is no title, I can't really archive them. And since it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that users shouldn't archive links that aren't dead I think you should either talk to an admin about it (or someone who knows it better), or just ignore it. Or are you looking to accuse me in vandalism???--Mishae (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Here we go with the misunderstandings and ill thoughts towards my person. I never said you were doing anything wrong or going against the grain (WP rules and proceedings), I merely asked a technical question because I wanted to learn about it, nothing more. I don't master the English language but I guess I still have a decent level to avoid them (the misunderstandings), but they still happen.

Don't worry, I won't ask you anymore questions to avoid these confusions (keep in mind, i ask you a polite question about a technical subject - archiving of refs - you say "give me credit instead of being suspicious", and the shouting at the end saying i was accusing you of vandalism, really unnecessary), even though i don't know everything and always want to learn.

Goodbye for now --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:48, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I would very much like to know where on earth does this sentence ("A friendly question now if you don't mind (no agenda, just wanting to learn as my former username implied): why do you archive the references - like in Alexander Farnerud for example - when they are still working? I thought people only did that when the url went "dead"") contain anything to merit the reaction you had. I appreciated, however, your logic ("Because going after every single possibly dead link is tedious. Look at it this way, most links will end up dead either way"), that would have sufficed as a technical reply.

Thank you, I leave you in peace now with my questions --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Yes, I agree 100% with your last assertion, all about teamwork (some write storylines, some do boxes, some do refs stuff, some find said refs, etc, etc). Nothing more for the moment, keep it safe. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:50, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for the welcome

Thanks for the welcome message and recommendations. He had been in the wikipedia in Spanish, but now I have changed to this. I apologize if any edit I have grammar problems, because I have an intermediate level of English.

Thanks again and I hope that we can be of mutual aid. Nice day. JosueCarrion (talk) 05:03, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@JosueCarrion: Don't worry, I will help you if you will need any help. My level of English is not that high (like 2.5). Since there was not option for it, I changed it advance because its closer to there then bellow (although I sometimes get confused on when to put then and when to put than). Either way, buenas noches, senior.--Mishae (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mishae: Okay, thanks for your offer to help me. --JosueCarrion (talk) 05:19, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

thanks?

Sorry if I am not grateful but a generic welcome page 3 months after my first edit seemed like an odd first chat on my talk page. I am thankful at the attention, so thank you for that. I was kind of more expecting a kind of "Hi how are you?" thing or discussion of stuff I have edited. I guess Wikipedia isn't your normal place though. KrampusC (talk) 02:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Happy Christmas!

Hi, thanks for your advice on archive links! I dropped by here to get to know you a bit better, and saw a userbox recommendation for Алиса, so I'm listening to them on YouTube now. I only know a little about Russian rock culture, but I like Кино. I also made a clip from Серёга to use as my ringtone; perhaps you can guess which song!

Pleased to note from the conversation above that you plan to archive this page soon – otherwise I would have offered to help with that. Best wishes – Fayenatic London 21:26, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london: Black Boomer? If that's the ringtone you got its one of my favorite songs. To be honest the song is a bit iffy but the clip on you tube is good. I also like to listen to another Russian-Jewish rapper called Lyopa he have only 1 song on YouTube as of 2007 (guess he is not famous yet). His song is called Blondie (Лёпа-Блондиночка is the Russian link). I hope you will enjoy it as more as I do. By the way, I can translate you the lyrics if you will give me Skype or e-mail. :)
The userboxes are not used in Wikipedia as recommendations they just tell folks about the user and what he likes to listen, watch, and do, besides sitting with his face in monitor whole day. Another think to mention is that I like chanson, for some odd reason its also called folk here. Pretty much the description of what it is on Wikipedia is a bit strange because its not usually French. Its originated there, yes, but Russians turned it into songs about criminal life.--Mishae (talk) 22:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I do have Black Boomer (or Beemer as we say in English) in my library, as a duet with Anastasia Prichodko - I downloaded all her songs after she was in Eurovision, in fact that's how I got into Russian rock. Gruppa Krovi is my favourite of her performances. But it's Kruzim that is my ringtone.
I found Alisa's sound a bit too heavy for me, and clicked on a concert by Aria which I enjoyed a lot more. I thought they had a guitar sound that I'd only heard from Kino before – perhaps intentionally, as I think they were performing some Kino songs.
I'll look up your other suggestions and let you know how I find them. Thanks! – Fayenatic London 10:41, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, Alisa's music is rough. When I bought their CD here in USA, my dad wasn't thrilled. Like, its a group of Neo-Nazi impostors. Especially their song The Sky of Slavs goes like: We were born under this sky in blood and we were raised against the whole wide world... Something like that. Aria, yes, that's the band that I like much more. However their songs usually merge with religion which although not always bad remicent of what goes on in Russian politics now. Interestingly enough their last album came out in 2013 with Alisa's in 2012 respectively. Regarding Kruzhim song, yes, I find it quite good, but Black Beemer is his most popular, and some folks do use it as ringtone too, because it too have this dancy vibe to it.--Mishae (talk) 16:52, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Not my first day though

This is weird too. I write to you on your talk page and you respond on mine. The other guys I talked to on their talk pages responded on their own talk pages.

I first edited a few months ago. Check my user contributions. KrampusC (talk) 03:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

@KrampusC: I already did. I am now reading the block of The Almighty Drill. Will comment there...--Mishae (talk)

Yeah. It is an interesting case. I am stepping away from it for now because I don't like drama, but there are some extremely angry people out there. I guess it was a big scandal and all of that, and perhaps the worst part of it was how inaccurately it was reported. I found out something new about it from Wikipedia today though! It seems that, while the inaccurate reporting was all about falsely linking it with terrorism, the person that created the hashtag to discourage terrorism actually editorialised it (I would say made up the story, but it seems that that is technically not true), and, on top of that, they are a politician! Ha ha ha. It just makes my head spin. I thought that the creation of the hashtag was great because it got people in Australia to stop the whole terrorism rhetoric. Nobody was bashed because of this, and, if not for the hashtag, they might have been. So the politician lied, or at least exaggerated, the story that created it I don't care, personally. I don't think that there was even a need for a story to justify it. I suspect, now, that the guy that was blocked, The Almightey Drill, is anti-Muslim, and wanted to expose the apparent lies to push an anti-Islam rhetoric, which is just simply inaccurate. Me personally, I don't like to judge people based on their race or religion. The guy who did the chocolate shop hostage thing was just some crazy guy who so happened to be Muslim. It wasn't terrorism at all. But yeah I am backing away from that. Way too much heat. Did you see the threats I got from it? I am just like wow, you guys need to calm down and stop taking it so seriously. I feel kind of sorry for the guy that was blocked though. He stepped into a minefield there. KrampusC (talk) 03:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

@KrampusC: I don't think that anyone was anti-Muslim I think that someone was to harsh with a block. I was in a process of sending Nick-D a note, because according to our policies we can use newsblogs and BBC and The Australian were infact newsblogs written by professionals.--Mishae (talk) 04:05, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I think that the block was wayyy over the top. When I first read it, I thought that he was quoting it, and quite frankly there isn't much difference between saying "made it up" and "editorialised" it. I don't think it was a BLP violation at all. The whole hostility to me suggests that these guys are just in a bad mood and taking it out on everyone. Sometimes it is better to just back away, I think. They are taking it out on me and they don't even know me. The Almightey Drill does seem to be editing from an IP address too, which I am sure isn't helpful. I even got accused of being him too. Just threats galore. So I'd rather just talk to you. I don't think I will even respond to any more of the uncivil threats I've been getting from the others. I don't think that they are reading what is written anyway. KrampusC (talk) 04:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

@KrampusC: Careful, Wikipedia like most other Secret Organizations have ears and noses...;) The only difference is that people use blocks instead of labor/concentration camps, which although not as punitive can be used both ways.--Mishae (talk) 04:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mishae: Well that escalated quickly. One moment we were talking about people getting grumpy and touchy for no reason, the next we are talking about the Illuminati! LOL!! KrampusC (talk) 05:33, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
PS - Your talk page is huge. Why don't you delete some of it? I'm sure you've read it all. KrampusC (talk) 05:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mishae: Well, I don't know what I did. Perhaps it was supporting someone who was blocked, or daring to question the legitimacy of it. Maybe I questioned it in the wrong way? Who knows? Do you? I don't know. You didn't get the same threats as me, for some reason. This is just simply scary. I think I'll go back to just writing about TV shows and sports. You don't get the same kind of hostility there. This is crazy stuff. KrampusC (talk) 09:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
@KrampusC: I'm planning to archive mine by New Year's. I don't know what happened with you and why you were mistreated, but I need to assume that sometimes people forget that you are not new and start to attack. Sometimes, when people meet a new editor for the first time, even if he was on Wikipedia for a long time, they tend to be hostile. It happened to me couple of times too, I however didn't received threats though. I was actually the one that called someone a name, later on though, I learned that you should live editors that don't assume good faith toward you alone. Or, if its possible you can negotiate with them (like asking them why you did it rather then he should be unblocked because I want it. Hope that helps.--Mishae (talk) 16:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
The funny thing is that when, on the AFD page, I suggested that the guy who created the AFD may not have nominated it legitimately, I was accused of not assuming good faith, yet in the same breath the same person accused me of being a meatpuppet! I have never even talked to The Almightey Drill! We are in different countries! Surely it can't be worthy of such treatment just because you support someone! If it is, why didn't you get harassed? Or the IP editor who I think was almost certainly The Almightey Drill? I don't get it at all. Makes no sense at all. I have tried asking what I did wrong, and, according to all the people who threatened me, I am just a bad person. But I am not! Maybe I should have just stayed out of such a controversial article. The funny thing is that I thought that the hostage article was the controversial part, as that is the bit generating controversy in the news. The Twitter hashtag has no controversy about it whatsoever in the news, so why is that the part that has controversy on Wikipedia? KrampusC (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
@KrampusC: Well for start, I have been harassed numerous of times in my first year of uber activity (2013). I think when a person is engaged in an edit on only one specific article (such as this hashtag) it makes people think that you are an opinionated editor and therefore is not welcomed per WP:NPOV rule. I however was editing numerous articles and still got the same result. Sometimes you need to know what you are editing and how so that the whole community will agree with your edits. Now, as far as being in different country goes, checkusers can track your IP (remember illuminati?) however, yes, they shouldn't mistreat you just because you are new to them. :) --Mishae (talk) 17:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for welcoming me.Xegit (talk) 11:18, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for welcoming me too ^_^ . I used to play AOE too Klinbatchbleus (talk) 12:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)Klinbatchbleus


Thanks for your help & guidelines. Baghprint (talk) 12:17, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk page archiving

Hi Misha. In response to your question about your talk page archive, I looked at the archive template on your talk page. I noticed that the "algo" parameter is blank. I don't know much about these templates, but I have the same template on my page. My algo parameter says "old(31d)", which tells the bot to archive talk page threads that have had no activity for 31 days. I think that the algo parameter may be required; maybe someone watching this talk page can confirm this. I believe the bot runs once per day. EricEnfermero (Talk) 22:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@EricEnfermero: Thanks Eric, how does it look now?--Mishae (talk) 23:42, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I think it's okay, but maybe someone else will have suggestions. I would give it a day or two and see what happens. EricEnfermero (Talk) 23:45, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Panos Kalnis

I just wanted to ask you about your revert of my changes to Panos Kalnis. You described my edits as "a complete vandalism" without explaining further. I indicated why I made the changes, but you did not indicate specifically why you reverted, other than to mischaracterize the edits as vandalism. What is going on? I have more sources to add to the article, but first wanted to take out the unencyclopedic content, such as the assertion that Kalnis wrote a book (actually conference profeedings, not a book). EricEnfermero (Talk) 19:16, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@EricEnfermero: I am sorry for mischaracterizing your edit, I should have assumed good faith, but your edit of removal of a ref, I viewed as vandalism. I did inserted your text back. Plus, what is the difference between conference proceedings and a book if academics usually write articles that are being combined into a book. Further more, it is perfectly O.K. to use scientific journals as long as they don't breach WP:OR and in this case it didn't.--Mishae (talk) 19:23, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
If you want to add something, go right ahead, but removing a ref was an exaggeration on your part. I assume it was a mistake.--Mishae (talk) 19:28, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
They are two different things. The biggest difference is the scope of the project. Serving as an editor for conference proceedings (organizing papers into a collection) might be a less notable activity than authoring a book. It wasn't at all clear from the edits what to make of what Kalnis actually did. It's a challenge to write about academics because of the unique terminology used to describe their careers; I am sure that it is even more difficult to understand these things in a second language. If you had asked me rather than immediately reverting and asserting vandalism, I could have clarified and continued to improve the state of the article. EricEnfermero (Talk) 19:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry. Yes, since English is my second language is a bit frustrating to write about anything. Academics are tough in general because majority of them don't appear anywhere. Their papers is being published excessively which maybe makes them notable but how much is enough for notability varies by the academic's h-index. So, if you want to, you can continue editing the article, but I think it would be better if you will help with another thing first: I put archive template on my talkpage, but it doesn't do anything. Maybe its because 24 hours haven't past since I put it, or maybe I put the parameters wrong? Can you be kind and look in it? Thanks.--Mishae (talk) 21:38, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
@EricEnfermero: Where in the world did you got the idea that Panos Kalnis is actually Panagiotis? Also I think I should move this whole discussion to the article talkpage if you don't mind?--Mishae (talk) 23:48, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

It's listed that way on his faculty page a Google Sites page of his. Other sources also list his name as "Panagiotis (Panos) Kalnis". If you have doubts, I would simply Google search Panagiotis Kalnis and I think you will be as easily convinced as I was. If you have ongoing doubts about his name, I would start that conversation on the article talk page. The previous discussion here is more about editor behavior (such as the definition of vandalism), so it's not really article content discussion that would need to move to the article's talk page. EricEnfermero (Talk) 23:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@EricEnfermero: No doubts. Just had a small confusion because his photo on Google Scholar was apparently outdated. His cheeks are much bigger on the Google Sites and the rest.--Mishae (talk) 00:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Photinus pyralis

Hi! I have two questions about the article Photinus pyralis. The article in question is rated as B-class. Does it deserve the B-class rating? If so, do you think it is ready to be nominated for good article status? Gug01 (talk) 13:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

@Gug01: Hi! To answer your first question (first I would like to apologize for long delay, due to glitch and watching of soccer in the morning) I have asked some editors about the same thing a year ago. The answer was that if you think it deserves a C let it be a C. In your case its B but I guess it doesn't matter. As far as your second question goes, I never wrote a single article that would be qualified as GA but I think folks that are at GA portal would know better. I also need to mention that I found 3 dead links in the above article and gave it a whirl. I only was able to archive 1 because the others were excluded from the archive, but I did filled in the rest so that the article would look more updated. Hope that helps. :)--Mishae (talk) 22:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you for the worm welcome. This wasn't my first created article, but if you mean in english language, yes it is. I have created several wiki articles in Macedonian language and I'm Wikipedian about a year. Hope we cooperate in future. Greetings from Macedonia :)Dandarmkd (talk) 00:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

@Dandarmkd: That's good. I greeted you just like everyone else. Majority of Wikipedians that come here are new so I am using only one greeting template. But have fun!
PS: Do join WikiProject Macedonia if you want, your contributions there will be appreciated. :)--Mishae (talk) 00:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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David Luiz

No. I wanted you to stop removing sourced content which is against Wikipedia policy. SLBedit (talk) 16:56, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

For reference. You remove a reference that supports the content, then someone will delete the content that was referenced. SLBedit (talk) 17:03, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay. (I'm busy with an IP trolling) SLBedit (talk) 17:08, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
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