User talk:Mirixcx/Indigenous feminism

Indigenous feminism

Hello and welcome. I've posted to editors collaborating on edits to the article at the article talk page and figure I'd stop on over here. Please don't take me as being mean, that's not my intention or tone. I'd like to ask that you respectfully capitalize Indigenous when referring to the community or an individual. I would also like to suggest that you be careful about your sources. No blogs, Native authors or journalists are preferable on the topic. "A fundamental aspect of indigenous culture is a tradition of matriarchal foundations, a practice lost with the colonization of Western thought." Not all communities were matriarchal. Not all tribes that were matriarchal stopped being matriarchal. The author also refers to a pretendian in her piece so it's really not the best source. "Fracking site locations and "man camps" are statistically associated with higher rates of violence against indigenous women, including human trafficking and murder.", man camps are also associated with higher rates of trafficking children and non-binary people and bringing drugs, particularly methamphetamines, into our communities.

Not all non-binary people are 2S, not all communities use the term 2S. Some communities use the traditional terms as opposed to the contemporary term. Some communities only see 2S as a specific spiritual role. Some communities see 2S as a specific spiritual role where one is given the title, not where one chooses the title themselves. I hope that you are able to reflect this respectfully and accurately if you decide to write about it.

Again, I'm not here to be mean, I'm trying to provide helpful feedback. Indigenous girl (talk) 01:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't use Quo-Li Driskill as a source or any kind of expert. They have no ties to any community, they simply self-identify as Native, primarily Cherokee but claim other Nations as well. Please don't use We R Native as a source, there are so many better sources out there. If you use that site you'll end up reverted.You also need to consider if you would like to chance coatracking. You may end up reverted anyway. Indigenous girl (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Co-sign. The Indigenous wikiproject agreed about not using Driskill for these reasons, and agreed he's not notable for WP. Driskill has misrepresented communities they're not part of. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mirixcx, Megaloons, and Kschweick-

·I need to ask again that Driskill be removed as a source. They are a pretendian and do not belong in the article. There are some fantastic LGBTQ2S authentically Native people who have written on the topic. Our voices are important rather than those who appropriate.

·Please find a source other than We R Native. It is not reputable.

·It has been mentioned on the article page in regard to your team to please reconsider the excessive amount of WP:COATRACKING taking place on your draft.

·Under Connection to Traditional Gender Structures, please do not past tense Diné terminology. There are community members, including members in prominent roles, that continue to utilize these gender descriptors. Relegating them to the past is an act of colonialism by disapearing contemporary tribal members and language use.

·Please remove source RACE AND MADNESS: LOCATING THE EXPERIENCES OF RACIALIZED PEOPLE WITH PSYCHIATRIC HISTORIES IN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES The content of this article, which was published in a student journal, contains harmful information teetering on fringe which has been used to harm both the Native community and the disabled community as well.

·Please remove source "Disrupting Systems of Oppression by Re-centering Indigenous Feminisms", the author depends on pretendians.

Thanks! Indigenous girl (talk) 20:46, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

I've taken note of your comments on disreputable sources, and removed them entirely. However, I still think there is room to discuss gender binaries within the indigenous feminist activism and effects, and have added such recently. If you have other concerns please let me know! Kschweick (talk) 00:59, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources referencing Driskill are still being used. Anything using Driskill is going to end up being reverted. They are highly problematic. You may want to cut down on the coatracking and rethink things a bit so that your content isn't deleted. It needs to stay on topic to the subject matter.

What has already been added to the article was great! It just needs a little tweeking, somebody from the wiki project will handle it when they get a chance. Indigenous girl (talk) 01:43, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://ssir.org/articles/entry/indigenous_feminism_is_our_culture should not be used. The article loses credibility when it includes the mention of a well known pretendian. Indigenous girl (talk) 01:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Communication would be nice. I removed the section on man camps that was placed under activism because it did not include activism. You should be able to easily find something. Most activism tied to the man camps is through MMIW so you could cut a lot of the content and add it to the MMIW subcat as an option. Indigenous girl (talk) 16:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Thank you for your concerns! The section on 2S and gender roles has been removed for more workshopping separately. The Race and Madness source has been removed. Mirixcx (talk) 14:38, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]