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Wikidata weekly summary #433

Nomination for merging of Module:Wikidata Infobox

Module:Wikidata Infobox has been nominated for merging with Module:WikidataIB. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Gonnym (talk) 12:22, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Vernon, Nevada

Hi, I saw your edit to Vernon, Nevada, where you removed the Commons category template that linked to Tunnel Camp, Nevada. I'm the editor that redirected Tunnel Camp, Nevada to Vernon because Tunnel Camp was not particularly notable. Tunnel Camp and Vernon are located quite close to each other. It would be great if the Vernon page had a link to the Tunnel Camp Commons images. What are your thoughts? 21:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cxbrx: I've looked again at this. Personally I think it would have been better to keep two separate articles here, given that they seem to be distinct settlements. However, there are also other images from the area that are available on Commons, so I've started commons:Category:Vernon, Nevada and linked to that from the article, with the Tunnel Camp category as a subcategory. Probably more images can also be added to the new category, see [1] (the blue dots are photos). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
What happened about the poll you were going to take on this matter Mike? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: The discussion with @Evrik: at User_talk:Mike_Peel/Archive_56#Commons_templates_in_EL_are_"misplaced"? petered out and was archived. I'm happy to co-author a poll, but I'm not going to start one on my own. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
I like the idea of hashing this out. --evrik (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Evrik: Perhaps you could start a draft proposal? Or I'm happy to chat about this by Zoom/Skype etc. at some point if that would help. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: Adding the Vernon Commons category seems reasonable to me. Tunnel Camp was at best a mining camp, see Talk:Tunnel Camp, Nevada. Recently I've been participating in the AfDs in Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Geography and I don't feel that Tunnel Camp as a geographic location nor as a mine would pass. See the last version of Tunnel Camp before the redirect. Cxbrx (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
The past discussion is at User talk:Mike Peel/Archive 56. I am only removing some templates in cases where the commons link does not match the category/article. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
As we established, policy, such as it is, merely states the link has to be useful. It doesn't have to use the exact same words, making some of your removals just plain wrong. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
In the cases I've removed the link I didn't think the link was useful. I'm happy to discuss examples if you want. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm removing some more this evening. If you object to them, please give an example and a reason why it is useful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:52, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Remind me the policy that you do this under? --evrik (talk) 22:36, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
WP:BOLD, remind me why you think that the links I'm removing are useful? Examples, please. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Category:Berkshire from the Berkshire Record Society. Salisbury from MPs for Salisbury. In what sense are these "misplaced"? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: The Commons categories don't seem to contain *any* content related to those articles. Or am I missing something? Mike Peel (talk) 22:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
This isn't Bold, it's Rash. Also Brown's Town, Jamaica was removed from Hamilton Brown. He founded the town. How is it not related to him? Philafrenzy (talk) 06:41, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Commons:Category:Berkshire should really have been, Commons:Category:History of Berkshire. Your edits are not productive. --evrik (talk) 03:09, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Commons cat templates

I started a discussion about the removal of the {{commonscat}} links from scores, maybe hundreds of articles. It can be found here: Category talk:Commons category Wikidata tracking categories. --evrik (talk) 03:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I have responded there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #434

The Signpost: 27 September 2020

The Signpost: 27 September 2020

Wikidata weekly summary #435

Tracking categories now live for Template:Commons

Per our discussion at the Village Pump, I've added the tracking category logic from Template:Commons category to Module:Commons link, and turned it on for Template:Commons. I decided to make a parallel tracking category structure: you can watch the tracking categories gradually fill in here.

Now that I've implemented the tracking categories, it is possible to simplify Template:Commons category. It would look very similar to the current implementation of Template:Commons, but would call getCategory() instead of getGalleryOrCategory(). This would make a uniform implementation for every Commons-related template. I'm curious what you think of this idea? — hike395 (talk) 17:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Hike395: Thanks for doing that. I need to reply to you more generally about the links, but I'm currently trying some of my semi-automated code through the new tracking categories. One oddity I've found is Category:Nauvoo Temple - I've added the Commons category link, but it's still linking to the gallery. Maybe it's just a caching issue though, but the tracking category updated. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Oops, I think you found a bug in my tracking logic :-(. The template on Category:Nauvoo Temple is {{Commons|Nauvoo Temple}}, so it's hardwired to looked for Commons:Nauvoo Temple. So it won't update to use the commonscat. {{Commons}} with no argument will do that. However, it is being placed into Category:Commons link is on Wikidata incorrectly, because the gallery shouldn't match the category in this case. I have to recheck the logic.
Could you pause any semi-automated edits based on my categories while I debug this? Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for letting me know! — hike395 (talk) 02:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
OK. Just to let you know that the edits I'm making are adding commons category links on Wikidata, and creating categories for 'phantom' categories on Commons (where the categories already have media but don't actually exist). These shouldn't be affected if the tracking categories are a bit off, they just use the template as a pointer to cases to look at. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
The bug is now fixed: the code now does not match the first positional argument to the found wikidata commons item if they are in different namespaces.
I'm really glad that you (and PiBot) maintain Wikidata links: I suspect they would quickly spiral into bad quality without your vigilance and work. — hike395 (talk) 22:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Why?

Hi. I have no clue about Wiki's inner workings, but apply logic whenever needed, and it usually works. Now, why is
commonscat|Pioneers of photography
not suitable for
Category:Early photographers in Palestine
? There are photos from Jerusalem starting from 1844, 22 years after the first photo ever taken. Thank you for explaining it to me, Arminden (talk) 14:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Arminden: How is that commons category relevant? It's a much wider scope than the category. The remaining two links in Category:Early photographers in Palestine also aren't directly related, it might be better to create commons:Category:Early photographers in Palestine if there is media that corresponds to the category. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The Grand Tour including Jerusalem & the Holy Land were among the first topics for the pioneers of daguerreotypy. Daguerre invented his process of photography, the first practical one developed, in 1839. The very same year, photographers using his technology came to Jerusalem, but it seems that what's left of their work are etchings made based on their daguerreotypes. Joseph de Pranguy learned it (possibly directly from Daguerre) and left for his own Grand Tour already in 1841, bringing back the by far largest corpus of images still preserved today. Jerusalem was one of his topics. His 1844 images are all preserved. Then from 1900 on came the photographic service of the American Colony, many of their images preserved at the US Library of Congress, and there are photos from the pre-WWI years and the war collected and preserved at national libraries & collections in Turkey, Germany, the UK and Australia. And so on, w/o intermission, with several big names of the earliest and the following waves of photographers, including Magnum members etc. So yes, if you removed it for reasons other than strictly Wiki-technical ones, please undo it, or let me do it. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 16:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I changed the category here [2]. Again, I suggest creating commons:Category:Early photographers in Palestine if you want, that would be the best solution here. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@Arminden: commons:Category:Early photographers in Palestine now exists, and is linked to from Category:Early photographers in Palestine. How does that look? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I was writing, and you were doing :) I think I misunderstood you, I mixed up Wikipedia with Wikicommons. Is that what you've been doing from the beginning, dealing with Commons categories, while I was babbling on about Wikipedia? Ouch :) Arminden (talk) 17:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Mike, it looks perfect, thank you! Arminden (talk) 17:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2020).

Administrator changes

added AjpolinoLuK3
readded Jackmcbarn
removed Ad OrientemHarejLidLomnMentoz86Oliver PereiraXJaM
renamed There'sNoTimeTheresNoTime

Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment found consensus that incubation as an alternative to deletion should generally only be recommended when draftification is appropriate, namely 1) if the result of a deletion discussion is to draftify; or 2) if the article is newly created.

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Miscellaneous


May I bother you again?

Sorry, but you've been so efficient yesterday and I guess it would take you less than a minute.

There's a county name in the West Bank, Har Hevron Regional Council. "Har Hevron" is Hebrew (good for admin. unit), Mount Hebron is English (good for geogr. description). People sometimes mix them and you get "Har Hebron" - that's inadmissable Henglish. I've changed all I could to the correct version (Har Hevron Regional Council for the admin. unit, Mount Hebron for geography) in several articles, but my stumbling block are again the "categories": see the Har Hevron Regional Council - at the bottom it had the wrong version twice: "Har Hevron Regional Council" between double braces/curly brackets, and "Category:Har Hevron Regional Council| " between double straight brackets. I went ahead and just changed the names inside the brackets. I don't know if the second one went well, at least it didn't "protest", but the first one, "Har Hevron Regional Council" between curly brackets, now shows up everywhere in red, as a template mistake. See them both here below:

{{Har Hevron Regional Council}}

Could you please fix that? Thank you so much! Arminden (talk) 16:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Arminden: I've moved the template, that should have sorted it out. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: Mike, the other way 'round: I thank you! Arminden (talk) 16:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I missed the category point. That's also now fixed, at Category:Har Hevron Regional Council. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #436

"let's sort this out properly", huh?

From looking over your work, you don't understand the difference between Unalaska and Dutch Harbor and/or don't care, because you left a lot of work for someone else to straighten out. Commons is its own website with its own conventions. It's tiring to watch people from Wikidata and/or Wikipedia come along and force their conventions on Commons in the name of some false notion of "consistency". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 14:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@RadioKAOS: I'm happy to try to improve things if you can be more specific in your feedback. I'm equally active here, on Wikidata, and on Commons. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:32, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #437

This Month in GLAM: September 2020





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